rlreif said:
I'm with you, rireif! I have about 41 gigs of music and I listen to all of it. I want a 60 gigger!
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60GB iPods - Not Soon?
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I'm with you, rireif! I have about 41 gigs of music and I listen to all of it. I want a 60 gigger!
kansast said:I easily reached 20GB when I finally decided to rip all my CDs (purchased) and all my LPs into mp3 format a few years back..
Went well beyond 20GB via other means.. friends, family.. ETC....
and who couldn't use the extra room for storage.. backups etc.. carry around a few Garage Band demos etc..
EXACTLY!!!
20GB is only like 300+- CD's in 192kbps MP3.... thats not that much!!
40GB is like 600!!
come on people all my life I have kjnown tons of people with far more music than this either in LP's or whatever
I probably had 40GB worth of cassette tapes when I was in middle school
and I know im not in the minority here
I'm glad to see that at least 2-3 people are reading right through this...
Of course the 60GB drives are for the iPod, but
1)They are still about a month away from being available to Apple and/or anyone else
2)They need you to buy the 40GB at $399!
Apple hated that Toshiba revealed the drives were for Apple...they don't want you holding out to buy so they are just going to say, "Oh, nah, theres no such thing as a 60GB iPod right now..."
You'll see the 60gb ipod soon enough.
Of course the 60GB drives are for the iPod, but
1)They are still about a month away from being available to Apple and/or anyone else
2)They need you to buy the 40GB at $399!
Apple hated that Toshiba revealed the drives were for Apple...they don't want you holding out to buy so they are just going to say, "Oh, nah, theres no such thing as a 60GB iPod right now..."
You'll see the 60gb ipod soon enough.
this race for Gigabytes and gigabytes of storage is a losing race... I'd recommend everyone to get themselves a Mini and an external FW800 HD.
rlreif said:
According to my calculations 110GB of music with AAC encoding it would take approx. 90 days to listen too all of it without sleep. Allowing yourself 8 hours of sleep you add another 30 days. So it would take you all year, all day, to listen to your entire library 3 times. That's incredible!
noel4r said:
well, if he rips all his songs at (actual) non-lossy... i.e Aiff... that would be about 180 albums??
apple "non-lossy"- about 375??? could be wrong.
swissmann said:
uh someone correct me if i'm wrong but i think AIFF is as good as it gets. why don't you just use apple loseless compression? that's actually the one thing that would cause me to get the bigger drive. while for most songs i find 192 AAC is perfectly fine for casual listening, some of my classical and jazz stuff is just too detailed to settle for less. you can't really critically listen to 10 days of music anyway. i remember when 40 BG used to be "i wish." i'm happy that it's becoming a little more within my means. and i have no qualms about rotating music through the player every now and then if i get bored. i think i'm shooting for getting myself a christmas present.
mvc said:
Hey there, I'm a V. P., and sometimes I tell the truth (well my own special version of the truth, anyway).
xtekdiver said:According to my calculations 110GB of music with AAC encoding it would take approx. 90 days to listen too all of it without sleep. Allowing yourself 8 hours of sleep you add another 30 days. So it would take you all year, all day, to listen to your entire library 3 times. That's incredible!
well I am still a believer in 192 kbps MP3, which makes it 2 months of nonstop play... I realize aac makes for smaller files, and some say it sounds better... they sound the same to me, and I am not going to rencode all that
another thing,... about half of this is live DJ sets... 1 track that is an hour or more long... not including these (which I often go to just one part of to hear a couple minutes, but rarely listen to the whole track) I have about 54GB of music which would be just about the max for a 60GB iPod... Please Apple, I have never been able to use the autosync feature!!!
Lancetx said:
They didn't buy 350,000+ of these 60GB drives so that they can sell 10,000 60GB iPods. The demand isn't there. They're going to do something else with them. Seriously, there's no way they would sell that many high end iPods, so there's something else in the works. The number of drives Apple is hoarding is enough of a clue towards a new product.
And no, don't say they'll be placed in future PB's or something. They're slower than 4800rpm... much too slow. Even 4800rpm is too slow, and most companies are moving towards slightly faster drives, as this improves performance greatly.
I will guarantee that a video iPod is not coming out anytime soon. If apple comes out with a video anything, it certainly will not be called an iPod.
Ripping CDs is legal. Buying iTunes AACs is legal. There is currently NO LEGAL AVENUE FOR RIPPING/BUYING DIGITAL VIDEO ENTERTAINMENT.
and i doube that the apple movie store will be opening any time soon. Heck. Apple got enough flack from the music industry before the apple store opened that they were supporting piracy through the iPod.
The Windows Media player are a niche market at best, and I highly doubt that apple will try to "compete" with them. Apple is going for the sweet spot. What are the hottest iPods now? The Mini. How much memory do they have? FOUR GIGABYTES.
Apple goes for the sweet spot of the market, not the fringes. The media players are at best a fringe product. People who buy the iPod mini are not looking for a portable video player.
Ripping CDs is legal. Buying iTunes AACs is legal. There is currently NO LEGAL AVENUE FOR RIPPING/BUYING DIGITAL VIDEO ENTERTAINMENT.
and i doube that the apple movie store will be opening any time soon. Heck. Apple got enough flack from the music industry before the apple store opened that they were supporting piracy through the iPod.
The Windows Media player are a niche market at best, and I highly doubt that apple will try to "compete" with them. Apple is going for the sweet spot. What are the hottest iPods now? The Mini. How much memory do they have? FOUR GIGABYTES.
Apple goes for the sweet spot of the market, not the fringes. The media players are at best a fringe product. People who buy the iPod mini are not looking for a portable video player.
mvc said:
there goes my hope. oh well.
I have about 23 gigs of music on my computer - most ripped from my/my family Cds - about a cds worth in iTunes.
As a student in film production and digital photography I would use the rest of the space to transport, transfer, and back up projects.
It would be nice to have a 60 gig iPod... Guess I will settle for the 40 gig as soon as I sell my 15 gig to my girlfriend.
I have about 23 gigs of music on my computer - most ripped from my/my family Cds - about a cds worth in iTunes.
As a student in film production and digital photography I would use the rest of the space to transport, transfer, and back up projects.
It would be nice to have a 60 gig iPod... Guess I will settle for the 40 gig as soon as I sell my 15 gig to my girlfriend.
Vagcmyevad said:
Whay does everyone keep saying this? Does everyone think that Steve is an irrational baffoon? Perhaps he was ticked about the leak...but it is highly doubtful they'd cancel an order because of this.
Let's think about this logically:
1. The rumor is false or incorrect.
2. It is true but Apple doesn't have enough supply to begin production and sales (for a 60GB iPod...which seems like a product of dubious value...to the mass market...to me).
3. It is true but Apple has other plans for the 60GB HD.
4. It is true but Steve got pissed like a little 4 year old and cancelled the order.
The first three seem most likely...and 2 of those don't even involve the iPod.
New Apple Product!
There is definitely a new apple product around the corner (not iPod) that will use these 60GB drives, I just know it!
There is definitely a new apple product around the corner (not iPod) that will use these 60GB drives, I just know it!
Steve Will Be Cool As Soon As They Can Ship
Steve Will Be Cool As Soon As They Can Ship. I don't believe Apple on this topic. I believe a 60 GB iPod will ship before end of September for $499. I predicted in January that the iPod-mini interface would go to the regular iPod ASAP. The click wheel is the ultimate perfect interface. It can't get better than this. Congrats Apple. And the longer battery life is a plus as well.TylerL said:
rlreif said:
I'm not making 40 GB a magic number, I never even said the number 40. Heck, for the overwhelming majority of customers the max could be 30 or even 20; for all of us Mac Heads, the number we set our eyes on for the top capacity would have been 50 if Toshiba had leaked that number instead of 60. That's our justification for expecting them-Toshiba's leak.
But this is still my main point-You love music. You have a lot of it. Your friends love music. They have a lot of it. "Just about everyone I know has more than 20GB..." Well, I am sure you enjoy your music (I mean that honestly-no sarcasm) but an incredible amount of people simply do not. Here is the a excerpt from the cNet article highlighting that research report I mentioned earlier:
So perhaps Apple doesn't see a market. I mean, why does the 1.8 " hard drive size have to be a limitation? Why can't we use larger hard drives for bigger capacities? Make a 80 GB iPod out of a 2.5" drive? I mean, the are people with 75 GB collections.
But that is simply not the point. Just because you can, and just because it will help a few (note: very few) people with extremely large music collections, doesn't mean Apple should.
With that said, I hope Apple makes a solution for all your music needs.
I have no idea what the drives are going to be used for, but I do know this:
Everyone expected Apple to increase the size of the iPod even before the Toshiba drive announcement. It was a common expectation that as time went on, the HD sizes would move up.
They have obviously bought way more drives than they would ever sell of a 60GB iPod. So what are they using it for?
iMac? Doubtful, but still possible if absolutely needed
Tablet? Jobs hates tablets
iBook or PowerBook? Possibly if they make one really really small
maybe an Apple digital camera with built in HD, sure would beat those memory stick and CD-ROM cameras. Would it be motion video as well as stills, I dont know.
Thats my bet, Apple has a lot of experience with tiny drives, and they have growing experience with CCD chips (iSight). They may attempt to smack sony pretty hard in the digital camera space.
Back to what I originally said: It was common knoweldge (assumption) that Apple would do a 60GB iPod. Apple wouldn't have been too upset with Toshiba over that mixup, everyone expected it. HOWEVER: Apple was furious, so says ThinkSecret. Think about it: No matter what they are for, they are not for the iPod. No one knows what they are using them for, but we can assess the following:
1) Its a mass production device, as in really really expected to sell
2) Its very hush hush
3) It needs 60GB of disk space, and we dont have many stand alone applications which do!
Everyone expected Apple to increase the size of the iPod even before the Toshiba drive announcement. It was a common expectation that as time went on, the HD sizes would move up.
They have obviously bought way more drives than they would ever sell of a 60GB iPod. So what are they using it for?
iMac? Doubtful, but still possible if absolutely needed
Tablet? Jobs hates tablets
iBook or PowerBook? Possibly if they make one really really small
maybe an Apple digital camera with built in HD, sure would beat those memory stick and CD-ROM cameras. Would it be motion video as well as stills, I dont know.
Thats my bet, Apple has a lot of experience with tiny drives, and they have growing experience with CCD chips (iSight). They may attempt to smack sony pretty hard in the digital camera space.
Back to what I originally said: It was common knoweldge (assumption) that Apple would do a 60GB iPod. Apple wouldn't have been too upset with Toshiba over that mixup, everyone expected it. HOWEVER: Apple was furious, so says ThinkSecret. Think about it: No matter what they are for, they are not for the iPod. No one knows what they are using them for, but we can assess the following:
1) Its a mass production device, as in really really expected to sell
2) Its very hush hush
3) It needs 60GB of disk space, and we dont have many stand alone applications which do!
It's All About The Definition Of Soon
It's All About The Definition Of Soon. Soon is August. Later is September.Stella said:
music collection
i have 50GB of music but can easily survive with my 2G 20GB ipod. i just load certain playlist on the pod. it works fine. not like it takes hours to alter your ipods content. would like the 60GB to carry large amounts of misuc and my home folder back and forth from work. you honestly can never have enough storage. my lacie 500GB drive is half full.
i have 50GB of music but can easily survive with my 2G 20GB ipod. i just load certain playlist on the pod. it works fine. not like it takes hours to alter your ipods content. would like the 60GB to carry large amounts of misuc and my home folder back and forth from work. you honestly can never have enough storage. my lacie 500GB drive is half full.