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970 Machines Assembled/Sealed?
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Re: Conflicting Rumors
I'm curious about this kind of sentiment, as most of the rumors I've seen have been pointing to the WWDC as the release date. I've only seen one rumor which has suggested the possibility that the release will be later.
I, for one, am optomistic about the 970 coming at the WWDC, given everything that's floating around about them....
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I'm curious about this kind of sentiment, as most of the rumors I've seen have been pointing to the WWDC as the release date. I've only seen one rumor which has suggested the possibility that the release will be later.
I, for one, am optomistic about the 970 coming at the WWDC, given everything that's floating around about them....
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I really don't see where you're getting this from. It doesn't seem at all obvious to me. In fact it seems the opposite is obvious. If they're starting to get their stocks ready a month ahead of time, it seems likely that they are stockpiling enough to have a complete product roll-out at WWDC.
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Re: Re: Powerbooks
Yes, but from what we understand, the G4 was far less suited to mobile implementation. Given that the 970 is better suited, it doesn't seem too unbelieveable that we'll see a 970 PowerBook some time soon.
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Yes, but from what we understand, the G4 was far less suited to mobile implementation. Given that the 970 is better suited, it doesn't seem too unbelieveable that we'll see a 970 PowerBook some time soon.
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If it seems too good to be true,
Lets see, not only has IBM completed 970 production, but Apple has secretly assembled the computers, boxed and sealed! And only MacBibouille, from across the ocean, knows about it.
And as if that whopper isnt big enough, MacBib has benchmarks to boot!
Even though you are not to open the sealed boxes for another month, feel free to visit MacBib, and their friendly sponsors!
Lets see, not only has IBM completed 970 production, but Apple has secretly assembled the computers, boxed and sealed! And only MacBibouille, from across the ocean, knows about it.
And as if that whopper isnt big enough, MacBib has benchmarks to boot!
Even though you are not to open the sealed boxes for another month, feel free to visit MacBib, and their friendly sponsors!
FWIW
I asked my four year old daughter (not that being female has anything to do with it) what the new Mac's name should be.
She said "STEVE JOBS!" Yes I have a second generation Mac family.
I could just imagine a STEVE JOBS computer with Steve OS 10.3. Instead of tool tips it would constantly berrate you, calling your work **** and scream "Why aren't you using the DOCK? Don't you know how COOL it iS? Who needs those wussy Amelio Tabbed folders? You have the DOCK!"
And while the screensaver was running Steve OS would delete Carbon and Microsoft apps. When you went looking for them Steve OS would ask if you are a virign, if you eat meat and openly flirt with your girlfriend/wife instead of helping you find your missing apps.
IF any of you think Steve Jobs walks 2 inches above the ground, get real. Hes very VERY much human and would have no problem tearing you apart verbally if you ever told him NeXT was an utter failure or the G4 Cube was an overpriced flop.
Steve had his revenge by organizing a coup after his return to Apple where he promptly threw out Sculley's "Scribble Toy" and placed his NeXT cronies in positions of power effectively changing Apple into NeXT 2.0. He's not a very nice person, he just pretends to be for Stevenotes and to get you to drink his Kool-Aid.
I asked my four year old daughter (not that being female has anything to do with it) what the new Mac's name should be.
She said "STEVE JOBS!" Yes I have a second generation Mac family.
I could just imagine a STEVE JOBS computer with Steve OS 10.3. Instead of tool tips it would constantly berrate you, calling your work **** and scream "Why aren't you using the DOCK? Don't you know how COOL it iS? Who needs those wussy Amelio Tabbed folders? You have the DOCK!"
And while the screensaver was running Steve OS would delete Carbon and Microsoft apps. When you went looking for them Steve OS would ask if you are a virign, if you eat meat and openly flirt with your girlfriend/wife instead of helping you find your missing apps.
IF any of you think Steve Jobs walks 2 inches above the ground, get real. Hes very VERY much human and would have no problem tearing you apart verbally if you ever told him NeXT was an utter failure or the G4 Cube was an overpriced flop.
Steve had his revenge by organizing a coup after his return to Apple where he promptly threw out Sculley's "Scribble Toy" and placed his NeXT cronies in positions of power effectively changing Apple into NeXT 2.0. He's not a very nice person, he just pretends to be for Stevenotes and to get you to drink his Kool-Aid.
Um, no. Celerons (today) are crippled P4 designs. The aren't even based on the P3 anymore, much less the P2 that they originally (IIRC) were based off.
The only place the Intel world has multiple architectures (aside from Intel vs AMD) is the Banias chip (Centrino), which is quickly replacing the P3 in low-power situations (don't see it in servers yet though). Everything else (P4, P4-M, Xeon, Celeron) is based off the Pentium-4 internal architecture.
Also, equating P2/P3 to G3/G4 is misleading. The differences between P2 and P3 are vanishingly small with the exception of a slight enhancement to SSE (similar to adding a few new Altivec instructions, not to introducing Altivec altogether).
G3/G4 are different designs with different strengths. Although related, they have different performance characteristics (ie, a G3 can, in some instances, out-benchmark a similarly clocked G4)
I own an iBook/500, and have noticed the redeux casing of the newest iBook models - what junk. So flimsy, so cheap, very unApple. Those v.1 models are, structuraly, a much higher quality.
Anyway, this is all interesting banter.
While anyone following Apple for any significant amount of time wold agree that the "announce and deliver" in the same day" concept seems crazy, it's how it should have been all along. If Apple is going IBM, I expect shipping the same day as announcements, from here on out.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to see a whole new 970 line, portables > desktops announced? Not saying it'll happen, but sure would make for a major event. The press would go bonkers, hype would run high, and product would move, move, move.
Anyway, this is all interesting banter.
While anyone following Apple for any significant amount of time wold agree that the "announce and deliver" in the same day" concept seems crazy, it's how it should have been all along. If Apple is going IBM, I expect shipping the same day as announcements, from here on out.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to see a whole new 970 line, portables > desktops announced? Not saying it'll happen, but sure would make for a major event. The press would go bonkers, hype would run high, and product would move, move, move.
I think people are reading way too much into Steve's "year of the notebook" comment. Remember, he said this 5 months ago, when the timeline for the 970 was still uncertain. Based on IBM's schedule, the original plan may have been to announce the 970 around September and ship in October or November. But *if* IBM has been able to produce the 970s ahead of schedule (this is the critical element on which all the rumors rest), then Apple's plans would have changed drastically. This would account for the last-minute WWDC delay, and possibly the absence of the updated 15" PB.
You're not taking into account motherboard design, bus speed, or memory architecture. It's possible.
If it seems too good to be true,
Lets see, not only has IBM completed 970 production, but Apple has secretly assembled the computers, boxed and sealed! And only MacBibouille, from across the ocean, knows about it.
And as if that whopper isnt big enough, MacBib has benchmarks to boot!
Even though you are not to open the sealed boxes for another month, feel free to visit MacBib, and their friendly sponsors!
Lets see, not only has IBM completed 970 production, but Apple has secretly assembled the computers, boxed and sealed! And only MacBibouille, from across the ocean, knows about it.
And as if that whopper isnt big enough, MacBib has benchmarks to boot!
Even though you are not to open the sealed boxes for another month, feel free to visit MacBib, and their friendly sponsors!
Re: Some cracks in this rumour
Another "makes me wonder" factor about the upcoming WWDC: The rumors are in unusually strong alignment pointing towards some sort of 970 rollout at WWDC next month, but so far at least, Apple's PR department does not seem to be preparing for the media bash we might expect for such a big announcement. In fact when WWDC was rescheduled, I e-mailed Apple PR with a question about media access to the keynote, and received no reply. Granted, I'm not on the media "A" list, but if Apple is indeed preparing to announce and ship a major product, I'd assume they'd want the hall filled with scribblers, and not just the heavy-hitters (who will probably see it beforehand under and NDA anyway).
Just trying to test this rumor from all angles. I still firmly believe it's going to happen, but some of the pieces haven't quite fallen into place yet.
Another "makes me wonder" factor about the upcoming WWDC: The rumors are in unusually strong alignment pointing towards some sort of 970 rollout at WWDC next month, but so far at least, Apple's PR department does not seem to be preparing for the media bash we might expect for such a big announcement. In fact when WWDC was rescheduled, I e-mailed Apple PR with a question about media access to the keynote, and received no reply. Granted, I'm not on the media "A" list, but if Apple is indeed preparing to announce and ship a major product, I'd assume they'd want the hall filled with scribblers, and not just the heavy-hitters (who will probably see it beforehand under and NDA anyway).
Just trying to test this rumor from all angles. I still firmly believe it's going to happen, but some of the pieces haven't quite fallen into place yet.
10.3?
I would really like to believe this rumor. However, if the 970s are indeed packaged and ready to be shipped, then does that mean that 10.3 is done? If it's done, then why did Apple postpone WWDC until June? Wouldn't the original date have been good enough to show 10.3?
I highly doubt this is true. Production may have begun, but they would not have packaged them until the OS is complete.
I would really like to believe this rumor. However, if the 970s are indeed packaged and ready to be shipped, then does that mean that 10.3 is done? If it's done, then why did Apple postpone WWDC until June? Wouldn't the original date have been good enough to show 10.3?
I highly doubt this is true. Production may have begun, but they would not have packaged them until the OS is complete.
hmm, well at least we wont have to wait too long to see if this rumor is true. if this turns out to be bogus, then MacBidoulle rumors shouldn't be discussed here anymore. remember, 1 month.....
Originally posted by commandZ
If it seems too good to be true, ?
Let?s see, not only has IBM completed 970 production, but Apple has secretly assembled the computers, boxed and sealed! And only MacBibouille, from across the ocean, knows about it.
And as if that whopper isn?t big enough, MacBib has benchmarks to boot!
Even though you are not to open the sealed boxes for another month, feel free to visit MacBib, and their friendly sponsors!
Not saying you're wrong, mind you, but when the 12 inch Powerbooks were announced they were available more or less right after, and nobody but Arn had any inkling it was coming - and he didn't post it (or know about it?) until the day before the announcement.
Re: 10.3?
I do not think there would need to be a complete os change to support the 970's. I grant you the kernel would have to be updated to account for the new mother boards, and possibly change some of the device drivers.
Other than that -some minor changes to the os - the 970's should run 10.2 just fine.
But then again, I could be totally wrong on this.. anyone, anyone?
I do not think there would need to be a complete os change to support the 970's. I grant you the kernel would have to be updated to account for the new mother boards, and possibly change some of the device drivers.
Other than that -some minor changes to the os - the 970's should run 10.2 just fine.
But then again, I could be totally wrong on this.. anyone, anyone?
Re: random acts of senseless thinking
While this might make sense, it requires that current G4 chips be cheap enough for Apple to significantly drop the price. Remember they only offer the base model in a single processor format, presumably to reduce costs. So if the G4 1.4 costs $600 (or whatever, I just made that number up) it may be difficult to sell cheap G4 machines.
Imagine, if a 970 was actually cheaper than a G4!
Anyone have info on current prices on G4's in the kind of quantities Apple buys?
While this might make sense, it requires that current G4 chips be cheap enough for Apple to significantly drop the price. Remember they only offer the base model in a single processor format, presumably to reduce costs. So if the G4 1.4 costs $600 (or whatever, I just made that number up) it may be difficult to sell cheap G4 machines.
Imagine, if a 970 was actually cheaper than a G4!
Anyone have info on current prices on G4's in the kind of quantities Apple buys?
I think that it's a reasonable possibility that the iBook will make the (very easy) migration to the 750GX (aka Gobi). As Gobi is rumored to have an Altivec unit on it, this will effectively make this an IBM G4. Thus, the iBook will move to, after a fashion, a G4. (That is, if I'm right...)
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Re: 970 Chips in Powerbooks?
Uh... where are you getting your numbers from? Everything I've read suggests that these chips run cooler than most G4s, including most of those in the current PowerBooks...
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Uh... where are you getting your numbers from? Everything I've read suggests that these chips run cooler than most G4s, including most of those in the current PowerBooks...
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CONTRADICTION?
I only have one problem ok maybe more than one but anyway hear me out. If Steve told us that this year is the year of the laptop then why would they introduce new powermacs with 970 processors, this would remove all the hype from the portables and make it the year of the Powermacs not the laptops. If new Powermacs are released in a months time with 970 processors....then they would have to also update the powerbooks with likewise processors or else ot would not be the year of the laptop, right. Any way what I am trying to say i cannot decide what year it is...
1. year of the laptop
2. year of new powermacs (970)
3. year of new powermacs and laptops (both 970)
4. year of nothing
I only have one problem ok maybe more than one but anyway hear me out. If Steve told us that this year is the year of the laptop then why would they introduce new powermacs with 970 processors, this would remove all the hype from the portables and make it the year of the Powermacs not the laptops. If new Powermacs are released in a months time with 970 processors....then they would have to also update the powerbooks with likewise processors or else ot would not be the year of the laptop, right. Any way what I am trying to say i cannot decide what year it is...
1. year of the laptop
2. year of new powermacs (970)
3. year of new powermacs and laptops (both 970)
4. year of nothing
Re: Re: Re: 970 Chips in Powerbooks?
Always is a bit of a strong statement. Especially considering the fact that the processor just one back from our current processor was release simultaneously in the Power Macs and PowerBooks.
Apple will do what it can. If they can release a PB 970, I'm fairly certain they will. They are, after all, fighting for market share.
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Always is a bit of a strong statement. Especially considering the fact that the processor just one back from our current processor was release simultaneously in the Power Macs and PowerBooks.
Apple will do what it can. If they can release a PB 970, I'm fairly certain they will. They are, after all, fighting for market share.
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