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[A] The Agency GAME OVER -- AGENTS WIN
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mscriv coming up dirty would in essence semi-clear you and QOS because we would know who voted fail in that first mission. And it would semi-clear me as it would have been a huge gamble to use the spy on another bad guy when there were definite good guys on the team.
The only deduction from this is that if koodauw is Infi, than wood would be agent
From the surveillance we get that if wood is infi, than koodauw is likely agent
Thus we can conclude that it is unlikely both are infi
Yeah I believe you DP. I've thought all along you were an agent this game! And yeah it doesn't make sense for you to be suggesting stuff if your going to get exposed the second ravenvii turns up.One more thing
I am agent
I wouldn't be wasting all this time and typing on the phone for no purpose or gain, knowing i would be exposed any time
I promise.
It would help fenris and qos, but it would not help you, (sorry)
If he voted fail, he would know you didn't
Agreed and possibly confirmed by WoodNUFC giving Koodauw under surveillance - don't think an infiltrator would have given that to another infiltrator - although I guess it could be a ploy for us to include Koodauw on missions and then he'd only vote failure to win the game - but I think its pretty unlikely.
Well, that helps...somewhat. Way to be obvious, @Astroboy907
If you guys take my word for my being an AgentD) we have a good shot.
If you guys take my word for my being an Agent
D) we have a good shot.
Agreed - mscriv being infiltrator makes moyank look worse. I'm kinda hoping mscriv was the good guy and spied on the wrong person and QoS was the infiltrator at this point.
Note: since we're no confidencing this mission - we have a 3/4 chance of spy coming out for the next distribution which we could then use on QoS/mscriv to see if one of those failed mission 1. If we clear me with the investigate then we can pinpoint the person who voted failure in mission 1 by spying on either of those. Doesn't 100% clear the other one but means we definitely identify another infiltrator.
How would he know that for sure? I guess for me, it seems like too much of a gamble. But I see your point.
@FenrisMoonlight Because the investigate can be used at any time, the best thing to do would be to use it before the list is made, and to use it on the person that can clear as many people as possible.
We just have to figure out who that person is.
The 4 plot cards we have left to come out are
Spy
Establish Confidence
Investigate
Identification Verification
We're going to get 3 of those next mission - this I think makes a good argument to request WoodNUFC uses his strong leader to lead the next mission - since Establish Confidence coming out with DP leading doesn't help us at all whereas it coming out with WoodNUFC leading would be useful to us (we ask him to give it to DP who will be totally cleared at that point)
With that in mind my recommendation would be:
@WoodNUFC please strong leader the next mission.
@twietee don't investigate WoodNUFC (as hopefully he'll be cleared or found out via Establish Confidence). I would still recommend you investigate me to get another clear agent.
Spy
Establish Confidence
Investigate
Identification Verification
We're going to get 3 of those next mission - this I think makes a good argument to request WoodNUFC uses his strong leader to lead the next mission - since Establish Confidence coming out with DP leading doesn't help us at all whereas it coming out with WoodNUFC leading would be useful to us (we ask him to give it to DP who will be totally cleared at that point)
With that in mind my recommendation would be:
@WoodNUFC please strong leader the next mission.
@twietee don't investigate WoodNUFC (as hopefully he'll be cleared or found out via Establish Confidence). I would still recommend you investigate me to get another clear agent.
I'd recommend me as it gives a definite clear (I know I'm an agent). Then hopefully Spy will come out in the next distribution (75% chance it will) to use on QoS or mscriv to find which of the remaining two voted failure for mission 1
Edit - I don't think I ever suggested that we wait to use the investigate. I agree its best to use it before the next list is made. I just think we have different ideas on who to use it on.
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My point was having him clear as many people via one person as he can BEFORE the list is made is beneficial for creating the team.
What people can he choose that being found out to be good/bad would clear more than person?
If there aren't any than I say go for it and clear just one person. There's a lot of evidence pointing towards mscriv, so if he is found to be bad he can semi-clear 2 people. And if he's good, it's the same as choosing you. Or me. I want to be fully cleared as much as you do. And QOS does.
Yeah - agreed mscriv is looking bad atm - which would possibly implicate Koodauw and/or you if he is - Koodauw assuming intelligent distribution of the spy card to an infiltrator so that he couldn't get spied on. You assuming you risked voting failure since you knew your fellow infiltrator had a spy card and could tentatively clear you. So I kinda hope QoS was the infiltrator on mission 1.
Stuff we know about the infilitrators....
Astro is assumed to be infiltrator due to use of Expose on DP. I really hope this is true and not an agent being incredibly stupid.
Mission 1.
DP, Moyank and I voted Success:
Moyank cleared via mscriv Spy
DP through being an agent,
me you'll have to take my word for it unless Twietee choses to clear me
so Either mscriv or QoS or both are infiltrators. Moyank could also be an infiltrator but can't have failed mission 1.
Infiltrators: Definitely 1 of mscriv or QoS. Moyank maybe.
Mission 2.1
Astroboy's team choice was: Don't Panic, Moyank24, Twietee, WoodNUFC, mscriv
Since he was an infilitrator we assume he would have picked at least 1 infiltrator on his team.
His hand was pretty much forced on picking DP and Moyank. Twietee we found out after was an agent which Astroboy would have known, so mscriv or WoodNUFC are likely infiltrators. Moyank still could be.
His plot distribution was, again he was pretty much forced to give DP and moyank something
Eavesdrop -> Don't Panic
Strong Leader -> WoodNUFC
No confidence -> Moyank24
Most likely infiltrators: mscriv or WoodNUFC, Moyank maybe.
I'm still trying to figure out what we can deduce from this.
Astro is assumed to be infiltrator due to use of Expose on DP. I really hope this is true and not an agent being incredibly stupid.
Mission 1.
DP, Moyank and I voted Success:
Moyank cleared via mscriv Spy
DP through being an agent,
me you'll have to take my word for it unless Twietee choses to clear me
so Either mscriv or QoS or both are infiltrators. Moyank could also be an infiltrator but can't have failed mission 1.
Infiltrators: Definitely 1 of mscriv or QoS. Moyank maybe.
Mission 2.1
Astroboy's team choice was: Don't Panic, Moyank24, Twietee, WoodNUFC, mscriv
Since he was an infilitrator we assume he would have picked at least 1 infiltrator on his team.
His hand was pretty much forced on picking DP and Moyank. Twietee we found out after was an agent which Astroboy would have known, so mscriv or WoodNUFC are likely infiltrators. Moyank still could be.
His plot distribution was, again he was pretty much forced to give DP and moyank something
Eavesdrop -> Don't Panic
Strong Leader -> WoodNUFC
No confidence -> Moyank24
Most likely infiltrators: mscriv or WoodNUFC, Moyank maybe.
I'm still trying to figure out what we can deduce from this.
I would never ever assume that. Especially when he could clear with 100% clarity a true agent.
But again, I understand the thinking. And knowing that if mscriv is found to be a bad guy makes me look more suspicious, there is no reason to be advocating for him to be investigated.
ok some deductions - since I know I'm not an infiltrator mscriv or QoS must be. Therefore
If QoS was the infiltrator mission 1 then its likely we have
Infilitrators: Astroboy (Expose), QoS (mission 1 infilitrator), WoodNUFC (Astroboy's infiltrator)?, plus 1 other to be identified
is mscriv was the infiltrator mission 1 then its likely we have
Infilitrators: Astroboy (Expose), mscriv (mission 1 infilitrator and Astroboy's infilitrator), Koodauw (unlikely to have chosen mscriv and given him spy at random)?, plus 1 other to be identified (possibly Moyank24)
If QoS was the infiltrator mission 1 then its likely we have
Infilitrators: Astroboy (Expose), QoS (mission 1 infilitrator), WoodNUFC (Astroboy's infiltrator)?, plus 1 other to be identified
is mscriv was the infiltrator mission 1 then its likely we have
Infilitrators: Astroboy (Expose), mscriv (mission 1 infilitrator and Astroboy's infilitrator), Koodauw (unlikely to have chosen mscriv and given him spy at random)?, plus 1 other to be identified (possibly Moyank24)
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He does have strong leader and is the next person up in the list. Gotta make sure you can trust him somehow...
We trusted him anyway! If you wanted an extra confirmation of that - then expose on Moyank makes more sense as suggested by Twietee.
He does have strong leader and is the next person up in the list. Gotta make sure you can trust him somehow...
@Don't panic , you're the only one that is somewhat cleared, although I'll still wait for ravenvii until I'd even consider to do anything at all, please explain this to me and there is no rush to do so:
Do you agree with me that it's way more useful for us to clear players rather than spotting a traitor? It'd be nice to somewhat remotely play on the same page to theoretically concert our actions.
traitors: Astroboy
most suspect: msciv, Koodauw, woodNUFC
I won't investigate on those. I could steal strong leader from woodNUFC. But since you have it too DP I'll ask @ravenvii first: what happens if WoodNUFC strong leaderships now and right after that DP while still on this very mission? Who leads the next team (is it DP?), the team afterwards (is it DP or WoodNUFC?) and the third (is it DP in case WoodNUFC lead the second?)
Do you agree with me that it's way more useful for us to clear players rather than spotting a traitor? It'd be nice to somewhat remotely play on the same page to theoretically concert our actions.
traitors: Astroboy
most suspect: msciv, Koodauw, woodNUFC
I won't investigate on those. I could steal strong leader from woodNUFC. But since you have it too DP I'll ask @ravenvii first: what happens if WoodNUFC strong leaderships now and right after that DP while still on this very mission? Who leads the next team (is it DP?), the team afterwards (is it DP or WoodNUFC?) and the third (is it DP in case WoodNUFC lead the second?)
Also Twietee said he wanted to use the investigate on me, which would have cleared DP also.
Twietee - you could steal it but establish confidence has a 75% chance of coming out in the next set of plot cards. It would be more useful for that to come out with WoodNUFC as leader as it would clear or incriminate him. It coming out with you or DP as leader would be useless to us. Yeah if it incriminates him it probably also means we're going to fail that mission but probably worth it if he gets that plot.