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[A] The Agency GAME OVER -- AGENTS WIN

Moyank24 said:
Also Twietee said he wanted to use the investigate on me, which would have cleared DP also.
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Sorry, I'm a bit tired. Me investigating on you ain't the same like me exposing you. In one case you're cleared in the other it' just would look uncanny if we three were baddies, which is not the same. Also, since I read it in a comment above of yours: mscriv the Spy couldn't clear anybody. Not you. Not another agent who voted success. Spy is most useful to check on a person in doubt and be used offensively as was discussed and agreed on at the very start of match1.

It's funny that with what I heavily advocated (Expose Moyank, DP investigates on Astro) and sadly couldn't go through with since I was asleep and everybody that was on here flat out rejected would have brought is into the exact same situation as of now (barring me investigating on you) yet half the guys at least take it as a possibility now that you should be checked.

We don't have to discuss this, leads to nowehere, but is quite amazing if you ask me.
 
@twietee

Plots currently in play.
Strong Leader -> WoodNUFC
Strong Leader -> DP
Take responsibility -> Twietee

Plots left to come out (1 of each)
Spy
Establish Confidence
Investigate
Identification Verification.

Think about what is most useful for you to steal - if DP is giving out the next set of cards probably nothing. If WoodNUFC strong leaders the next mission it might be useful for you to steal Spy or Investigate.
 
twietee said:
Sorry, I'm a bit tired. Me investigating on you ain't the same like me exposing you. In one case you're cleared in the other it' just would look uncanny if we three were baddies, which is not the same. Also, since I read it in a comment above of yours: mscriv the Spy couldn't clear anybody. Not you. Not another agent who voted success. Spy is most useful to check on a person in doubt and be used offensively as was discussed and agreed on at the very start of match1.

It's funny that with what I heavily advocated (Expose Moyank, DP investigates on Astro) and sadly couldn't go through with since I was asleep and everybody that was on here flat out rejected would have brought is into the exact same situation as of now (barring me investigating on you) yet half the guys at least take it as a possibility now that you should be checked.

We don't have to discuss this, leads to nowhere, but is quite amazing if you ask me.
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Yeah, expose could have confirmed the start of the chain of trust. I don't think people would be questioning Astro as much if he'd chosen to use it on Moyank.

I know I'm not the infiltrator from mission 1 and I've posted my thoughts about mscriv and QoS - I also know your not going to trust that. Your call as to who you investigate at this point.

Personally I think it would be better if you managed to clear someone than to find an infiltrator. At this point the only person I can say for sure you would find to be an agent if you investigated is me.

QoS/mscriv - 1 of them is an infiltrator, possibly 2 (but I think more likely just 1)

Moyank - unlikely but could be

Koodauw/WoodNUFC/TechGod - at least 1 or more likely 2 of them are infiltrators.

Edit - the above was a bit repetitive - sorry I'm getting tired. Editted so it makes more sense.
 
Sorry but I have to ask: has TechGod left the agency, @ravenvii? I see that he didn't vote during Pre-Mission 2.2 and 2.3 on DPs list. If he actually is/was an agent as I suspect we're done in that case.

nvm
 
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Alright read a good chunk of the thread from the start:

Pretty sure WoodNUFC is an infiltrator. Everything points to that, especially Astroboy's assignment and plot distribution.

That brings me to Koodauw: doubt he's a traitor in case Moyank is an agent since she could have eavesdrop'd on woodNUFC (another question @ravenvii: who could Fenris use eavesdropping on? QoS and Koodauw or just QoS?).

That makes Astroboy, woodNUFC and imo mscriv look like double-agents. Since Koodauw is still under surveillance and we're still on the second mission (lazy bunch of agents..) I'd keep him hopefully clearing him with th ID Verification in case it pops up. Although we can't No Confident anymore (so he may vote fail).

M1: the exchange neat the end (Moyank "Taking care of business" or Fenris: "QoS crownjewels mission)" + mscriv asking twice about Moyank, once during the mission and once after the mission (to which she replied "sure scan away") made me want to absolutely clear her.

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Fenris would be my candidate to investigate on since he gives a lot input and it would save me a lot of time not to double guess every single assumption he's giving. :D

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3 of 4 plots next turn. My suggestions / thoughts

Spy (1) - 100% cleared players on the team, there is a reason for that imo. use it on mscriv. If mscriv comes up clean (doubt it) it'd help Moyank really a lot. A reason why I would like not to scan her atm.

Establish Confidence (1) - anybody who's not cleared

Investigate (1) - 100% cleared players on the team

Identification Verification (1) - anybody who's not cleared

If DP is leading the next mission we have one cleared player (twietee) plus another possible one (depending on my investigation). That'd mean Investigate and Spy should go to those two if we get them. If we get Identification Verification and the uncleared player who receives it doesn't use it we know it's a traitor. So works out both ways.

List in case DP leads:

1) twietee
2) QoS
3) Moyank
4) Fenris
5) Koodauw

We should avoid a WoodNUFC strong leadership list, but it'd be our fourth nay on a mission so still possible to decline (which I'm all for - but depending on the presented list of course). Definitely not going to snatch it though.

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Thoughts?
 
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ravenvii said:
@twietee, if someone strong leads, and his turn happens to be next on the list, he'll lead a team twice.
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Thanks but my question was what happens if two players play this plot during the very same mission?

also: who could Fenris use eavesdropping on? QoS and Koodauw or just QoS?

also: if I receive a plot during plot-distribution phase, can I still use Take Responsibility during the mission, I fancy yes but that be important to know.

Thanks!
 
Twietee, i am on the phone and still have to go through the night's comments,
But i think you should also consider mscriv in the scan.
Right now he appears the most likely one to have voted fail in mission 1. If he comes clean i include him in my list along with you, koodauw, moyank on one of fenris/qos (i woul be inclined to pick fenris, whom i already consider semi-clean, on par with moyank though for different reasons)
If mscriv comes out infi, we would assume fenris and qos are semi-cleared and both go in the mission, with you, moyank, and koodauw
That mission we have to move along, hope for the best and potentially take a hit
However, we get two plots which shoul clear two more people (i am assuming one is wasted anyway)

Scanning fenris or qos would be the next best alternative
 
Problem is when mscriv comes up a baddie it doesn't help us on others imo (Fenris and QoS) since he was the Spy and most likely the only baddie that would vote fail anyway.

Investigating QoS' locker. Anything incriminating?
 
Moyank24 said:
How would he know that for sure? I guess for me, it seems like too much of a gamble. But I see your point.
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he used it after scoting was made public, so he would know only 1 fail was used

twietee said:
Sorry, I'm a bit tired. Me investigating on you ain't the same like me exposing you. In one case you're cleared in the other it' just would look uncanny if we three were baddies, which is not the same. Also, since I read it in a comment above of yours: mscriv the Spy couldn't clear anybody. Not you. Not another agent who voted success. Spy is most useful to check on a person in doubt and be used offensively as was discussed and agreed on at the very start of match1.

It's funny that with what I heavily advocated (Expose Moyank, DP investigates on Astro) and sadly couldn't go through with since I was asleep and everybody that was on here flat out rejected would have brought is into the exact same situation as of now (barring me investigating on you) yet half the guys at least take it as a possibility now that you should be checked.

We don't have to discuss this, leads to nowehere, but is quite amazing if you ask me.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but ypu proposed plan was in my opinion, poor, and not the same as the situation we are now, because itvwould havd locked you inyo scanning mo FIRST, and THEN looking at astro, plus if moyank comes out bad, me investigating is most definitively not as good as uou investigating
 
Don't panic said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but ypu proposed plan was in my opinion, poor, and not the same as the situation we are now, because itvwould havd locked you inyo scanning mo FIRST, and THEN looking at astro, plus if moyank comes out bad, me investigating is most definitively not as good as uou investigating
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If Moyank would have come up bad I would have taken your Investigation plot? Although it'd be not that likely that both of you were agents traitors. Can't fathom how you can think that a poor plan, but we should just agree to disagree. If you read the first couple of your own comments after she searched you it'd be somewhat interesting as to what exactly made you change your mind on that so thoroughly but anyway.

Also, to answer your question from yestarday again: if we think mscriv is a double agent there could be easily one or even two other agents hiding. Since you also agree on being highly suspicous about mscriv I wonder why you're seemingly quite comfortable with the rest. But dead horse and I'm sick of discussing this back and forth.
 
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I'm ready to roll.

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Get your trenchcoats agents. No high-heels on this one.
 
Also DP one last point :)D): if Astroboy would have exposed me instead of you I really would have been forced to investigate Moyank to come up with the very same amount of 100% cleared players (assuming she's clean)
 
Well, this stinks. Like many of you I've been doing my best to help us get a win, but apparently there is a difference of opinion regarding my methods. If QOS is cleared and *I know I'm an agent* then the only scenario left for mission 1 is that Fenris is an infiltrator. Sure, there is the possibility that Moyank is one too, but I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I guess I could be wrong about Moyank, and if so I'll just have to praise her for such a brilliant bluff, but as of now I'm still comfortable with my opinion on the matter. Koodauw is still suspicious as well since he was leader for the first mission. And, as others have pointed out, while having him under surveillance helps, it still doesn't prove anything and could cost us either in the form of a failed mission or the forcing of our hand to use another no confidence. Is anyone else getting concerned that we have put quite a string of nay'd missions together?
 
mscriv said:
And, as others have pointed out, while having him under surveillance helps, it still doesn't prove anything and could cost us either in the form of a failed mission or the forcing of our hand to use another no confidence.
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We can't anymore. All three of our No Confidence plots are used already. ;)
 
twietee said:
We can't anymore. All three of our No Confidence plots are used already. ;)
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Really?, I thought we still had one. No, you're right, QOS used hers, Moyank used hers, and then DP just used his, so that's 3. Okay then, I guess we are going to have to go all the way with the next mission. That scares me with the team that DP is putting together for the reasons I stated in my last post.
 
Don't panic said:
he used it after scoting was made public, so he would know only 1 fail was used
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Ah, you're right.

If he was a bad guy, he should have chosen another bad guy to semi-clear, as he knows he would have been the only one who voted fail. Since I know that I'm a good guy that would mean he was the only bad guy on the team.

If he's a good guy, then Fenris is the bad guy.

But, this is only based on me knowing that I'm an agent and would have to be proven via a plot.
 
twietee said:
Alright read a good chunk of the thread from the start:

Pretty sure WoodNUFC is an infiltrator. Everything points to that, especially Astroboy's assignment and plot distribution.

That brings me to Koodauw: doubt he's a traitor in case Moyank is an agent since she could have eavesdrop'd on woodNUFC (another question @ravenvii: who could Fenris use eavesdropping on? QoS and Koodauw or just QoS?).

That makes Astroboy, woodNUFC and imo mscriv look like double-agents. Since Koodauw is still under surveillance and we're still on the second mission (lazy bunch of agents..) I'd keep him hopefully clearing him with th ID Verification in case it pops up. Although we can't No Confident anymore (so he may vote fail).

M1: the exchange neat the end (Moyank "Taking care of business" or Fenris: "QoS crownjewels mission)" + mscriv asking twice about Moyank, once during the mission and once after the mission (to which she replied "sure scan away") made me want to absolutely clear her.

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Fenris would be my candidate to investigate on since he gives a lot input and it would save me a lot of time not to double guess every single assumption he's giving. :D

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3 of 4 plots next turn. My suggestions / thoughts

Spy (1) - 100% cleared players on the team, there is a reason for that imo. use it on mscriv. If mscriv comes up clean (doubt it) it'd help Moyank really a lot. A reason why I would like not to scan her atm.

Establish Confidence (1) - anybody who's not cleared

Investigate (1) - 100% cleared players on the team

Identification Verification (1) - anybody who's not cleared

If DP is leading the next mission we have one cleared player (twietee) plus another possible one (depending on my investigation). That'd mean Investigate and Spy should go to those two if we get them. If we get Identification Verification and the uncleared player who receives it doesn't use it we know it's a traitor. So works out both ways.

List in case DP leads:

1) twietee
2) QoS
3) Moyank
4) Fenris
5) Koodauw

We should avoid a WoodNUFC strong leadership list, but it'd be our fourth nay on a mission so still possible to decline (which I'm all for - but depending on the presented list of course). Definitely not going to snatch it though.

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Thoughts?
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Your misunderstanding establish confidence. It reveals the role of the team leader to the person given the plot. With DP leading it is useless to us. At this point it would only be useful if WoodNUFC strong leads the next mission - but I think its probably too late for that.
 
mscriv said:
Well, this stinks. Like many of you I've been doing my best to help us get a win, but apparently there is a difference of opinion regarding my methods. If QOS is cleared and *I know I'm an agent* then the only scenario left for mission 1 is that Fenris is an infiltrator. Sure, there is the possibility that Moyank is one too, but I've made my thoughts on that clear already. I guess I could be wrong about Moyank, and if so I'll just have to praise her for such a brilliant bluff, but as of now I'm still comfortable with my opinion on the matter. Koodauw is still suspicious as well since he was leader for the first mission. And, as others have pointed out, while having him under surveillance helps, it still doesn't prove anything and could cost us either in the form of a failed mission or the forcing of our hand to use another no confidence. Is anyone else getting concerned that we have put quite a string of nay'd missions together?
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mscriv - I now know you voted failure on mission 1. Of course the others are going to want to clear me before they believe that but as far as I'm concerned its a fact.
 
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