Sorry moyank but now I know mscriv was the infiltrator who failed the first mission its making you look suspicious.
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[A] The Agency GAME OVER -- AGENTS WIN
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So use a plot to clear me. I have no problem with that. I've been saying it the entire game, just like you have.
Nah, I'm not. What makes you think I did? Also, when I wrote that it wasn't clear if woodNUFC would Strong Leaderships on that.
Also I'm under the impression that this plot has to be activated like all the others. So now we'd just keep it in the pocket and look what comes up later - although I agree that this is the weakest plot since it needs extraordinary circumstances.
I think it should go to someone we might want on our team but aren't really sure. So for example Koodauw or Moyank (or you). So if e.g. WoodNUFC comes up as a leader somewhat we can ask them to use it. If they'd refuse we have at least one traitor more exposed.
@Don't panic
Thanks for suggesting me for the team.
Prior Mission Analysis
Since QoS has been cleared and I know I'm an agent mscriv must have been the infilitrator in mission 1. Unfortunately that means we can't read much from Astroboy's team choice since he put mscriv on the team - which could have been the only infiltrator on his team.
Known Infilitrators
Astroboy (Expose)
mscriv (mission 1 infilitrator)
I will deduce what I can from the remaining information to try to spot the other 2 infiltrators.
@WoodNUFC you've been pretty quiet considering you've played this before. I'd like to know your reasoning for putting Koodauw under surveillance.
Thanks for suggesting me for the team.
Prior Mission Analysis
Since QoS has been cleared and I know I'm an agent mscriv must have been the infilitrator in mission 1. Unfortunately that means we can't read much from Astroboy's team choice since he put mscriv on the team - which could have been the only infiltrator on his team.
Known Infilitrators
Astroboy (Expose)
mscriv (mission 1 infilitrator)
I will deduce what I can from the remaining information to try to spot the other 2 infiltrators.
@WoodNUFC you've been pretty quiet considering you've played this before. I'd like to know your reasoning for putting Koodauw under surveillance.
Wow... a lot has happened since I went to bed last night. I've been working on projects all morning so I'm just now checking in.
I'm tired of the "Wood's played before, he's quiet, so he must be an infil." (I'm looking at you Twietee and Fenris) The team is more than capable to analyze situations without my help every five minutes. But since it is continually brought up, here it goes.
The infiltration has played a really weak game so far. If I were an infil, I would have voted for the first one or two missions to succeed, gaining the trust of the other players. You can't suspect people if they are helping the cause, right? I'd give the agents quick points, and keep them guessing as to who could be the baddies. Then I'd work to get two infils on the final three or four missions to fail the votes. By that time, the plot cards may have been used, and the odds of successful infiltration is higher.
I would not fail the first vote, and I certainly wouldn't do anything stupid to make it obvious that I was an infil--like going against team instruction (looking at you Astroboy). At most, I would fail the second mission at the risk of exposing an infil, and then sacrifice that player.
It's obvious that Astroboy is an infiltrator, I'd focus my attention back to the first mission. Who was on the mission when it failed? We've cleared nearly everyone, which is why I forced Koodauw to vote publicly. He has to vote "success" or he won't get selected for the next mission. I'd be careful though, because any false sense of security that public voting brings with it, can quickly disappear if he's an infil. At this point, it might be a good Infil strategy for him to fail a mission once it reaches mission status, because you all trust him and we have no more "no confidence" plots.
I'm tired of the "Wood's played before, he's quiet, so he must be an infil." (I'm looking at you Twietee and Fenris) The team is more than capable to analyze situations without my help every five minutes. But since it is continually brought up, here it goes.
The infiltration has played a really weak game so far. If I were an infil, I would have voted for the first one or two missions to succeed, gaining the trust of the other players. You can't suspect people if they are helping the cause, right? I'd give the agents quick points, and keep them guessing as to who could be the baddies. Then I'd work to get two infils on the final three or four missions to fail the votes. By that time, the plot cards may have been used, and the odds of successful infiltration is higher.
I would not fail the first vote, and I certainly wouldn't do anything stupid to make it obvious that I was an infil--like going against team instruction (looking at you Astroboy). At most, I would fail the second mission at the risk of exposing an infil, and then sacrifice that player.
It's obvious that Astroboy is an infiltrator, I'd focus my attention back to the first mission. Who was on the mission when it failed? We've cleared nearly everyone, which is why I forced Koodauw to vote publicly. He has to vote "success" or he won't get selected for the next mission. I'd be careful though, because any false sense of security that public voting brings with it, can quickly disappear if he's an infil. At this point, it might be a good Infil strategy for him to fail a mission once it reaches mission status, because you all trust him and we have no more "no confidence" plots.
@ravenvii can we get a ruling on the use of establish confidence please. I was under the impression it took instant effect between the leader that gave it out and the person who received it - like under surveillance.
I think fenris is right and the establish confidence is automatic
So if i give it to you, i also tell you my role
But indon't think you can save it to use it - for example, when wood or someone else takes charge
@mscriv, i understand your frustration if you are an agent, but at this point one of you or fenris voted fail.
i picked ferris based on both some indirect evidence and some impressions, and I may well be wrong.
however, we will find out soon enough. even with the EC plot burned, we still get two good ones.
if he is bad, you are going on the next one. if he is good, well
So if i give it to you, i also tell you my role
But indon't think you can save it to use it - for example, when wood or someone else takes charge
@mscriv, i understand your frustration if you are an agent, but at this point one of you or fenris voted fail.
i picked ferris based on both some indirect evidence and some impressions, and I may well be wrong.
however, we will find out soon enough. even with the EC plot burned, we still get two good ones.
if he is bad, you are going on the next one. if he is good, well
I don't think I said you must be an infiltrator because you were quiet. I've been surprised you've been so quiet and thanks for your input.
You were on my list of possible infiltrators in the case that mscriv was clear and QoS an infiltrator as it made you the most likely person to be an infiltrator in the team Astroboy choose. Since I now know mscriv was the infilitrator its more likely you aren't
Interesting tactics - I was thinking the best chance for the infiltrators was to get 1 vote in each of the first three missions since they need 2 every mission after that. Needing 2 votes missions 3/4 like you mentioned were the rules you've played previously I think would change those tactics.
This is good info to have. Thanks for sharing it. I do realize I am a bit of a risk for future votes, esp if they infi get to 2 points. But if I can stress again, I am an agent, you don't have to worry.
thanks for the input, Wood.
like for fenris/mscriv, there are good chances one of you or koodauw is a baddie. it could well be koodauw, or neither, or it could be both of you (i argued earlier this is unlikely, and this is still my opinion based on this being our first game so i don't expect overly developed strategies to be in play yet, but the 'instructions' bolded above might make me reconsider that
).depending on the plots, we might be able to expose/clear the people we need, including koodauw, so you might get back in the next round.
woodNUFC, since you look in my direction too: i brought that point up once, and only once, what feels eons ago. you responded to that way back too. you having prior exp with this kond of game has nothing to do with me suspecting you. didn't see anybody asking you every 5min either.
anyway, we have two cleared people from the first mission, it's not like we solved really a lot already.
anyway, we have two cleared people from the first mission, it's not like we solved really a lot already.
alright then, i think i am ready to finalize the mission team:
I have taken note of mscriv's and wood's reserves, but at this point i see no compelling reasons to change so here we go:
official list:
@twietee : field coordinator
@Queen of Spades : intell gathering
@FenrisMoonlight : chief analyst
@Moyank24 : weapon systems
@Koodauw : logistics and transportation
please vote quickly if you can.
i will be travelling a lot this weekend (to europe tonight and back on tuesday) so i will be on an off. mostly off.
actually i don't want to impose my schedule to everyone, but if possible i would ask ravens to be flexible with deadlines
I have taken note of mscriv's and wood's reserves, but at this point i see no compelling reasons to change so here we go:
official list:
@twietee : field coordinator
@Queen of Spades : intell gathering
@FenrisMoonlight : chief analyst
@Moyank24 : weapon systems
@Koodauw : logistics and transportation
please vote quickly if you can.
i will be travelling a lot this weekend (to europe tonight and back on tuesday) so i will be on an off. mostly off.
actually i don't want to impose my schedule to everyone, but if possible i would ask ravens to be flexible with deadlines
I have my suspicions about Koodauw since I'm wondering how likely it is that he would pick mscriv to be on the first team and give the infiltrator the one plot that could have been used on him to prove he betrayed us. I'm also wondering about the eavesdrop plot. However with him being under surveillance if he fails the mission we will know about it. If he votes success and the mission still fails we know for sure about moyank. So at this point I'm going to vote yay
@Koodauw you better extract us when the mission is complete or I'm going to analyze you to death!
@Don't panic It would be nice to get the mission going quickly but I think those known to be agents (@twietee @QoS) on the mission shouldn't be too hasty to vote so we can see how the others vote. Also thanks for your trust in me - you won't find it to be misplaced. I'm guessing I'm going to be the one to get their identity verified if that plot comes up.
Have a safe trip to/from Europe - that's a long flight.
@Koodauw you better extract us when the mission is complete or I'm going to analyze you to death!
@Don't panic It would be nice to get the mission going quickly but I think those known to be agents (@twietee @QoS) on the mission shouldn't be too hasty to vote so we can see how the others vote. Also thanks for your trust in me - you won't find it to be misplaced. I'm guessing I'm going to be the one to get their identity verified if that plot comes up.
Have a safe trip to/from Europe - that's a long flight.
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I was just asking you to not be too hasty about voting so we can see how the people not on the mission vote.
NAY!
Sadly, you are betting on the wrong horse. I can only hope others believe me and vote against this team as well.
Sadly, you are betting on the wrong horse. I can only hope others believe me and vote against this team as well.
Gag! Seriously, I'm sick to my stomach right now. You are giving it all you've got, that's for sure.
You can admit the truth now - we know your the bad guy.
Seriously mscriv - over accusing much?! What evidence or deductions do you have to back that up?Gag! Seriously, I'm sick to my stomach right now. You are giving it all you've got, that's for sure.
I have the same evidence you have. The QOS rule, I know I'm an agent and one of the two of us voted fail on the 1st mission.
