I agree Lord, I'm still on a 5S and will happily use it until she's ran into the ground.
But by gum… Apple are really pushing the boundaries with chip design. It's just amazing to see.
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I agree Lord, I'm still on a 5S and will happily use it until she's ran into the ground.
But by gum… Apple are really pushing the boundaries with chip design. It's just amazing to see.
Still far, far, far more sluggish than the bug, unfortunately.
There is an option in the settings for "reduce motion" (or whatever it is called in the english version), i wish that setting was the "no animation"-bug, don't know why Apple don't do that because the iPhone would easily be crowned as the most responsive phone in the human history
Oh yeah, definitely. It was instant with the bug.
And yes, removing animations would make the phone feel sooooooooooo quick!!
I love those deep tear downs. This should be a very interesting uncovering as I'm really wondering if Apple went TSMC Integrated fan out route or if this is a one die solution. If they went integrated fan out there is a possibility of Apple mix or matching capabilities that are spread across separate dies. So yeah Chipworks needs to hurry up and open this chip up due to all the possibilities.
Will be interesting to see the iPad Pro updated with A10X Fusion
Most certainly. Imagine if they can hit 3GHZ. Or they could make four cores of equal performance. I'm really thinking they could bypass Intel here in a big way.
One of the best selling Mac models ever was last years Core i5 MacBook Air 13. It's single core Geekbench 4 score is around 2800. Compared to the new iPhone 7's performance of somewhere around 3400.
Thus, many typical users might well end up with a phone in their pocket that is a faster computer (for many common single-threaded tasks) than the laptop they got for their school backpack last year. Or the generic dull Dell desktop PC provided by their employer for their cubicle or office.
I suspect you would notice, however breaking away from annual updates can free you to focus on other things. I'm still on an iPhone 4 so I know the advantageous the speed will offer me! (Talk about sluggish). This said, iPhone 7 might be the iPhone to convince me to update. It has almost everything I've wanted, especially more reasonable pricing for storage.
In any event it is pretty safe to say that you get laptop level performance out of these guys now. Well Mac Book level performance. The next iPad upgrade ought to be impressive.
Hard to say at the moment. It could be a four core machine with two cores simply under clocked. This would be great for iPad as they could run all four cores at the same clock rate to get an "X" variant. We could speculate in lots of directions here, hopefully some of the web sites will dive into this question. Can't wait for Chipworks to get their X-Ray machine warmed up.
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Don't assume it is big.LITTLE as ARM implements it. We don't have the data to say it is yet, it is possible Apple implemented something a bit different here.
I think you're right. I'd hate to lose bootcamp, though.
Totally agree about the impressiveness of the chip design. Astounding results.
You see the diff because a faster CPU allows a longer battery life, a brighter screen (because less time is spent on CPU/GPU) or any other hardware or software features you can potentially throw at it (even ones you haven't even thought about).
100% agree with you on this. I really don't think Apple would move to their own chips unless they could solve this problem, so it's a case of what may happen.
1) Apple somehow emulate x86 code, either in the hardware or software/drivers
2) Microsoft release a version of Windows that can run on ARM (nothing like Windows RT of course)
The latter of the two has been rumoured for some time… if Microsoft confirm/release that, I'd bet my bottom dollar we'd be seeing ARM Macs in no time at all.
The question that comes to my mind is the "fusion" tag line. Are they going away with the "X" tag line. I'm just curious if the name change has to do with it being incorporated into none iOS devices. If the the new macs do get a Touch ID sensor like they are rumored to, will they include a secure enclave chip into a the Mac? Is the new fusion chip how they accomplish that? Every year these new chips continue to show what Apple is capable of and gives a hint to what they might be planning next.
Not only that, the Note's own browser can't even use its cores correctly to beat the 6s (its far far slower), let alone third party apps that has to deal API layers and fragmentation.
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Or MS releases the new intermediary code Apple uses for releases and it is automatically adapted to the proper machine X86 or ARM. This is by far the most likely way this will get done.
There's some quiet whispers around the intertubes that this isn't a big.LITTLE architecture. I don't know specifics, and it certainly seems similar to me, but I guess we will hear more in the coming weeks.
We don't know what they're doing yet so your statement is a non sequitur till this occurs.
If there are 4 cores working, they're not showing it that benchmark.
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Apple's storage is also much faster than Samsung (and everyone else), so that's another place to kick ass.
The way you talk about it it's like quad core had been the answer to every battery life problems. Android phones had quad core in 2012 and they were garbage.
Phil Schiller said during his presentation that having four cores will increase the maximum performance of the phone especially for games. The logical conclusion will follows is that the phone uses all four cores during peak CPU demand.
They're the ones who should see a battery life improvement because they'll be running the low power chip that didn't exist previously.
Haha same! I love them. The rumors indicated fan out if I am not mistaken but I don't think there was a single mention of 4 core configuration so it makes it all the more interesting.
It is possible but I would guess closer to 2.5 - 2.7.
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Or he could have meant that because they have 4 cores the games can take full advantage of the 2 main cores since the low power ones will handle all the other task
Or he could have meant that because they have 4 cores the games can take full advantage of the 2 main cores since the low power ones will handle all the other task
If the latter is the case then it still supports the notion that all four cores would be utilized at the same time when needed, which appears to be the point of contention for this sub-discussion.
You're forgetting one thing. IOS is not nearly as complex as running OSX or Windows 10. A phone is built with a very different usage case than what is expected on a PC. Just think about how limited IOS is compared to OSX. Also IOS is running on phones with very low resolutions compared to what you would expect on high end PCs.
I think the A10 is an amazing chip and one of the main reasons I'm excited for the 7 but it would probably be a slide show if you tried to run OSX at 4k on it doing anything but basic email or web browsing.
True, though there's a point where hardware benchmarks of this magnitude simply cannot lie. As Apple at one point had OS X running on both PPC and Intel, a properly considered and appropriately compiled approach for the A series chips could really be a game changer.
Though for such an undertaking, I'd peg it for at least 5 years. Committing to a change like that could not be on a whim!
Are apps getting more powerful... I will say no. The iPhone 7 will surely throttle more than the iPad Pro.......I don't see those speeds holding up in real world usage due to battery conservation on iPhones....most people will have iPhone 8's before they even use the true power of these devices.....
If the iPhone had more features to utilize their processors....I would call that kicking as$....as of now it's just something that Apple fans can boast about but doesn't hold any significance.
My only question is, why is it shown as 9,4? According to iPhone wiki, the 6s and 6S plus were all under 8,1 and 8,2 respectively. The SE was 8,4. Anyone shed some light on this?
https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/List_of_iPhones
https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/List_of_iPhones