Thank you for that. Since it is a major issue, FCP7 XML import into Premiere should be hammered home by Adobe. I did not see it in any of the stories. Thanks again.
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Adobe and Avid Target Final Cut Pro Users With 'Switcher' Discounts
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Thank you for that. Since it is a major issue, FCP7 XML import into Premiere should be hammered home by Adobe. I did not see it in any of the stories. Thanks again.
Sry, But when everything changes .... and you complain in 3 days that it is rubbish... THEN you are missing the point of progress....
If you don't like something the first minute... and you dont have a clue about what will come... but you DO start to complain... again, byby
There are lots of people who hated the iPad from before the release... Again, By by...
This X version will get up to speed... People that run away now.. will try to invent lightspeed to get back.. so again.. byby, see you soon!
Some things to consider:
-Adobe Premiere can import XML files, and FCP7 can export XML files (and vice versa), so you can open FCP7 projects in Premiere (FCPX can neither import or export XML files natively)
-Adobe Premiere and After Effects work with 64 Bit, can utilize more then 2 processors and 4 GB of ram (FCP 7 can't [FCPX can])
-Adobe Premiere has a more similar interface to FCP7 then FCP7 does to FCPX (though I don't think that is neccessarily a bad thing that FCPX redesigned the NLE interface) So for many editors learning Premiere would be easier then learning FCPX.
-Adobe Premiere can import XML files, and FCP7 can export XML files (and vice versa), so you can open FCP7 projects in Premiere (FCPX can neither import or export XML files natively)
-Adobe Premiere and After Effects work with 64 Bit, can utilize more then 2 processors and 4 GB of ram (FCP 7 can't [FCPX can])
-Adobe Premiere has a more similar interface to FCP7 then FCP7 does to FCPX (though I don't think that is neccessarily a bad thing that FCPX redesigned the NLE interface) So for many editors learning Premiere would be easier then learning FCPX.
We have not been forced to switch, but what should I do with the two new seats I need now? Pirate FCP7? I cant admit to it here in the forum, but if Im gonna do it the right way, Im stuck. So what the h*ll should I do? Any good answers?
Apple keeps up releasing iCrap.
Im just hoping someone could release an awesome editing suite for Linux, would be great to run a Ubuntu based system on Mac hardware.
As an interesting note...I last used Premiere way back when it was version 6 or 7, I think. I BELIEVE that the guy in charge of video at Apple is the same guy who came up with that way back when.
I used to like the way Premiere did edits back then with the A/B track...I can kind of see some of that influence in the new Final Cut Pro X. Not that it's the same as Premiere, but rather I see the desire to find new ways of editing that make more sense on a computer than they would in a film lab. That kind of thing doesn't always work, but I enjoy the software that explores those areas rather than slavishly mimicing old-style film editing. (Which is what Final Cut has mostly been up until now.)
In other words, in Final Cut X I see the same attitude that the old 1990's Premiere used to have. Not the same design, but the same attitude.
So I'll be sticking with FCP because it reminds me more of the old Premiere I used to love so much.
I used to like the way Premiere did edits back then with the A/B track...I can kind of see some of that influence in the new Final Cut Pro X. Not that it's the same as Premiere, but rather I see the desire to find new ways of editing that make more sense on a computer than they would in a film lab. That kind of thing doesn't always work, but I enjoy the software that explores those areas rather than slavishly mimicing old-style film editing. (Which is what Final Cut has mostly been up until now.)
In other words, in Final Cut X I see the same attitude that the old 1990's Premiere used to have. Not the same design, but the same attitude.
So I'll be sticking with FCP because it reminds me more of the old Premiere I used to love so much.
The market is highly competitive and depends on one of the quickest moving industries (video media/technology).
It's either adopt or die.
Pretty much everyone I know is migrating to Premiere. CS5.5 is much better than FCP7 in some ways, but overall, slightly behind. CS6 should surpass FCP7 and will be light-years ahead of FCPX.
Those that are not in the field or are new to the field do not understand that the learning curve is not that great. Most of us started with Adobe or Avid so the switch back will be easy.
I happen to have all three. At work I use Avid Media Composer and Adobe Production Premium. Avid is my main editor and I use Photoshop, Illustrator and After Effects a lot.
At home I have Avid Media Composer, Adobe and FCP 5. I still do the bulk of my lifting in Avid, but have been playing with FCP since a lot of the industry was starting to switch.
What the "Switch to" will do for most production houses is allow them to "Add" a Premiere or Media Composer seat for half price. If I have 2 MC stations and 2 FCP stations, I can add to additional MC stations for less than the price of one if I decide that FCP is not in my future roadmap.
I happen to have all three. At work I use Avid Media Composer and Adobe Production Premium. Avid is my main editor and I use Photoshop, Illustrator and After Effects a lot.
At home I have Avid Media Composer, Adobe and FCP 5. I still do the bulk of my lifting in Avid, but have been playing with FCP since a lot of the industry was starting to switch.
What the "Switch to" will do for most production houses is allow them to "Add" a Premiere or Media Composer seat for half price. If I have 2 MC stations and 2 FCP stations, I can add to additional MC stations for less than the price of one if I decide that FCP is not in my future roadmap.
And if you guys want a thoughtful discussion of FCP X I really suggest you listen to this week's The Talk Show. Yes, it is Gruber. No, he isn't completely sucking up to Apple so stop trolling. 
First off you should congratulate yourself some more. So, the fact that the hardware just works and you don't worry about viruses, isn't the reason to own a Mac? I convinced several people to switch and never used FCP and they didn't either. A little bitter are we?
That would be bye bye.
Ow I am sorry, I try to be at my best in English... And yes I do make mistakes..
But hey, try to type my post in Dutch...
In their current incantations, Premiere and AVID are way beyond the functionality of FCPX. It's possible X will catch up, but I doubt it.
I think you are making the point. For simple A/B edits, FCPX works great. The reason Adobe abandoned the A/B timeline was because it was not flexible enough for advanced edits. Basic compositing and advanced titling can be done in most video editors today and the A/B line was not flexible enough to express those workflows.
I think that you are the target market for the FCPX, which is great. No complaints their. The problem is the lack of a current option for those who need more short of "keep using our old version".
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On the other hand, that should be your first thought if you wanna go Lion.
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On the other hand, that should be your first thought if you wanna go Lion.
I know... BUT... more features is not my goal...
I want a solid platform. So ill keep using FCP for now.. but when X has some more features Ill get it.
Windows gives me more features to.. but hey, I don't want that platform.
It's been done before by other companies.
I stand by my original statement... I'm not sure why you think I'm going to change my mind just because Apple has done it too.
I consider myself a "pro", not so much in the field of video editing, but in graphic design and photography. I've also taken some video editing courses and am knowledgeable. From my experience, I feel as though most pros don't usually freak out like this. This whole "burn it now because the new version sucks!" attitude is ridiculous. Most pros usually say "you know, I think I'm just going to keep using what I've got and see how this whole upgrade business ends up shaking out over the course of the next 6 to 12 months." Most pros don't upgrade right away. We are pretty set in our ways, and while embracing new tech is great and we do it often, we understand that it's not always the best idea to jump straight to another platform right after it is released. This isn't play time, there is real money to be made and this is only a tool for us to get said money. If FCP 7 keeps working and they like it then many won't change anything for now.
So, you are asking me to switch for $1000 which includes the 50% discount and in the future will be paying over $1000 for upgrades when Final Cut Pro costs $300 and Apple has stated they will have updates to bring back the missing functions.
Where is the logic in that?
Where is the logic in that?
Same for me ... only 1 seat here at our mom and pop operation so I have no need to get new software. I can wait until some more features are added if I need to. Now, big companies may need to add seats ... what to do then?
Exactly, the only real issue is that you can't legally get more copies of FCP 7 if you need to expand. Apple should really address that issue and then probably everything would be just fine unless FCP X never gets new features.
Ok, well you totally missed my point. Well, more than missed it. You've flipped me around 180 degrees.
My point is that I liked the fact that Premeire attempted to innovate. I also like the fact that the new Final Cut seems to be trying to do the same.
So when I say "I like that they're trying new things" I'm a bit baffled at how you read that as "I like old things that don't change."
And no, I'm not using Final Cut X because it doesn't do what i need yet. So I'm also curious how you determined I'm the "target market" for it since I can't even use it yet.
