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Adobe Points Finger at Apple on 'Get Flash' Page for iPhone

Why is it so hard to get Flash on the iPhone? How come other devices can have it, and the iPhone can't? I mean I know it wouldn't be full blown Flash with keyboard controls and mouse actions, but it would be nice to at least SEE it and be able to CLICK on a few buttons, that's all I need...
 
Rot'nApple said:
Can you name off some of those sites and give their web address. Anyone else have sites they can name? I would like to see how much the lack of Flash on the iPhone cripples a web site. - thanks.
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BBC News, New York Times, Le Monde, CNN, CBC, ABC News, Welt Online, El Pais, etc.... (and hundreds - thousands? - of others).

Oh yes, and practically all live-TV and TV-catchup websites...
 
Treq said:
Ever since the iPhone came out Apple has been trying to get Adobe to write a more streamlined mobile flash player. one that:

1) won't crash and possibly make the phone reboot
2) won't drain the battery too much
3) won't tax the processor so much that it creates a heat problem
4) is secure enough to keep malicious code from running on your phone.

For whatever reason Adobe has been unable or unwilling to do this. So, Yes Apple has created restrictions, but very necessary ones. Anything less would be bad for the end user and for Apple's reputation.
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I paid for my iPhone, not apple.... How about apple let me make the choice if I want flash to run on my phone or not.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
Apple needs to pull its head out on this one.

Flash eats battery! Ok, and? So does fieldrunners. Guess what? I can decide if I want to spend the power playing it!

Flash is full of archaic crap. Well dang. The web is full of archaic crap. Including a lot of flash. But it's still the web, and I still need to access it.

Flash isn't necessary, you can use Java, Wookie, etc... whatever. Ok, sure, I'll just write every website I need to visit to find my travel reservations and itinerary, and have them rewrite their page in a new format.

This stupid tug of war leaves the end users in the lurch. Adobe, clean up flash, Apple, encourage them and accept that it ain't gonna be perfect.
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I couldn't agree more!:)
 
army91c said:
I paid for my iPhone, not apple.... How about apple let me make the choice if I want flash to run on my phone or not.
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Fine. Jailbreak your phone. Of course, technically, that will void the warranty, but so would running diesel in your car if the manufacturer calls for unleaded. You might cause some damage but you can't blame Apple/the car company for that. So if/when the processor or battery heats up too much and bricks your iphone, don't go whining to apple. And when all your personal info gets hacked because of some malicious code that flash was able to run... And even when your web pages load at a snail's pace, don't blame apple. Blame Adobe Flash. Like you said, you bought your iPhone, run what you want. Just don't expect apple to fix it when it all goes wrong.
 
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duke49er said:
Like Apple gives a rat's ass.

Took them like over 2 years to get something as basic as MMS on "the world's most advanced phone", why would they care about flash?
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ATT not Apple
 
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Shookster said:
Apple restricts use of technologies required by products like Flash Player. Until Apple eliminates these restrictions, Adobe cannot provide Flash Player for the iPhone or iPod Touch.
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People don't care about Flash Player itself, they just want the ability to play video in the browser, which the iPhone is perfectly capable of doing. So instead of lobbying Apple for Flash support we should be lobbying web developers for video tag support.
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I support this idea. I believe this is the same way Apple looks at it.
 
The amount of crap in this thread is amazing:

1) Flash could never be a normal 'App' because it has to operate as a plugin for Safari since it's not a stand alone product on its own. For this reason, it would at the very least HAVE to be co-developed by Apple and included in a software update.

2) The primary reason Apple don't want to allow Flash, Java or any other runtime environment on the iPhone is because it would mean that developers would be able to bypass the App Store and Apple's own development tools. This would weaken the entire platform because there would be less incentive to develop native iPhone applications. It would also have the consequence of handing control over part of the entire platform to a third party - imagine if Adobe decided to stop producing Flash for the iPhone. Where would that leave Apple?

3) The Mac and PC versions of Flash differ because the underlying operating systems are fundamentally different particularly in how they handle hardware graphics acceleration. Blame for the poor performance of Flash on Mac OS X has to lie primarily with Adobe because they produce the software and Mac OS X includes very solid, highly optimised 2D and 3D graphics APIs.

4) Flash video using the older Sorenson and On2 codecs will not play properly on any current mobile device because there is no hardware optimisation for those codecs. Only video based on H.264 has broad hardware acceleration support (including the iPhone) so even if Adobe and Apple did bring Flash to the iPhone, it still wouldn't solve all the video problems.
 
A few thoughts...

Don't blame Adobe for speed

Adobe didn't write Flash. Macromedia did. Adobe bought Macromedia a few years ago (mostly because they thought Microsoft was going to) and has had to rework their products.

Adobe is redoing Flash for mobile

Which is a good thing. Adobe is working with ARM cpu and gpu makers to create this new Flash 10 for mobile devices.

The real Internet uses Flash

Don't get us started again on the webpages (NY Times, National Geographic) that Apple has retouched the Flash out of, before public demos, to hide the fact that Safari can't show them completely.

HTML5 won't stop popup ads

If the W3C hadn't screwed around for so many years, HTML5 could've been more adopted by now. Heck, is there even a video playback codec standard yet?

In any case, ad companies will always figure out something, whether it's Flash, DHTML, or whatever.

Don't like it? Most likely will have a switch

Who doesn't think that Flash would be an option that the user can turn off?
 
MacFly123 said:
FLASH

Apple does not care to support flash on their devices because it is horribly inefficient and has been holding back progression of the internet for over a decade. Instead of using much more efficient open standards that the world wide web is founded upon, companies like Adobe and Microsoft are more interested in locking you into their inferior technologies in order to maintain revenue! Until Flash dies Apple will continue to support the progression of the internet using approved standards!

FLASH SUCKS! GO SUCK ONE ADOBE! :p
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Drinking from the Apple koolaid again, huh?

Perhaps if you pulled your head out of SJ's bum long enough to look around, you'd notice the vast majority of iPhone users are being punished in Apple's attempt to mold the internet in it's own image.

A large number of websites use flash in their design, and are completely inaccessible without flash support. Inefficient or not, that's fact, and we're the losers here.
 
SpinThis! said:
Developers aren't the problem. A lot of it is Internet Explorer and Microsoft not supporting standards. For one, IE doesn't do much html5. Microsoft will probably never support the svg-based "flash killer" canvas tag. Also, due to bickering on all browser makers, HTML5 doesn't specify a mandatory video format so you have Apple doing mpeg-4, Firefox and friends doing ogg, and IE supporting nothing. And let's not forget users who still run IE6.
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No, LETS PLEASE forget about users running IE6. For GOD's sake, It's an 8 year old browser!
 
I personally do not like adobe one bit. I try to keep anything with the Adobe name off my computer. It's buggy, it doesn't look good, and photoshop is expensive. I don't care how powerful it is, I still hate the program. I would much rather use something else. But then again I'm not a photo editor so I don't know when I would need to use anything else.

Anyways, I'm happy Apple is keeping flash off the mobile browser because I don't want to see pop up ads, I don't want to see video on any website except youtube, and I don't want to deal with the endless parade of bugs that are sure to come with adobe putting flash in an already near perfect mobile web browser.
 
Apple you need to make a flash app player

Apple,you greedy apple give us flash even if you allow a way to click and hold that Lego piece to save a URL fir later viewing in a app specific flash player
 
locust76 said:
Well, MMS wasn't available anywhere else in any other market worldwide on the iPhone until 3.0 came out, so no, I don't think it had anything to do with AT&T. That was just a case of Apple trying to tell everyone what makes an advanced mobile device.
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Many phones here in Australia already had the ability to tether and indeed use programs like Skype over 3g.

It wasn't until people in other parts of the world got annoyed that people got features that AT&T Crippled. So yes. Indeed, I do blamed AT&T for the lack of Voip on 3G, Slow implementation of MMS and the ability to not teether until recently.
 
Apple is a self absorbed organization that loves to publically bash other companies like Microsoft for not being responsive, open, hip, etc., then when it comes to incorporating a technology that people want/need, they drag the butts, remain non responsive and basically do nothing. I applaud Adobe for throwing this right back in Apple's face.
 
Until Adobe can get FLASH working properly on Macs, why the hell would I want it on my damn phone?

On Macs, FLASH causes Safari 4 to crash often, is slow and downright buggy.
Some sites work fine, others crash the browser, often a reboot is required to get a Flash site working after a crash. This is all completely unacceptable in my opinion.

If your teenager crashed one of your cars, why the hell would you immediately give him the keys to another one?

When Adobe fixes FLASH for Macs, then and ONLY THEN should Apple say, hey let's talk about the iPhone now.
Those should be Apple's terms, plain and simple.
 
Well done Adobe

But this will probably not help since Apple will not admit their mistake. It should be up to the user to switch flash on/off if some "bad user experience" will occur. I still hope that Apple supports flash soon, they can have "off" as default.
 
Give me a choice

I've changed my mind on this one. I used to be in the "kill Flash, please" group but there have been plenty of times now when I've been on travel with just my iPhone and have been unable to use a site which incorporates Flash (rightly or wrongly) as part of its critical user interface. Being able to turn on Flash support, suffering briefly through a period of high battery drain and slow response, and then turning it off again is a much smaller inconvenience than either carrying around a separate and otherwise un-needed device or simply being dead in the water.
 
Quit being stubborn Apple

Apple needs to get over their trip on Adobe and do what's best for their customers! As somebody who absolutely loves Apple and their products...I find some of their decisions very strange and frustrating.
 
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