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Adobe Shows Off Flash-to-HTML5 Converter
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Good job. But what I would be interested in: How big is the original flash-file in comparison to the total amount of files (with all the .html, .js, .png, .svg, ...) which is needed for the "same" experience in HTML5.
Don't get me wrong. I don't want to say that the developer of this converter created "bloated" code. For what I've seen, it actually looks pretty clean. But I just want to know how much more Bytes need to be downloaded for a customer. In average. In comparison to one binary .swf file.
For what I know about html, js and svg, it should be at least about 20 times bigger. But please, if somebody knows some figures, prove me wrong.
Don't get me wrong. I don't want to say that the developer of this converter created "bloated" code. For what I've seen, it actually looks pretty clean. But I just want to know how much more Bytes need to be downloaded for a customer. In average. In comparison to one binary .swf file.
For what I know about html, js and svg, it should be at least about 20 times bigger. But please, if somebody knows some figures, prove me wrong.
John Nack you got to be one of the biggest most blatant hypocrites with this statement.
Help customers solve real problems huh? Pragmatism and not ideology? I though you guys were just getting your sorry ****es kicked over that flash thing and you are now jumping on the html5 ship a tad too late. But sure it's about the customers and their problems that you ve done squat to support open html5 standards over the years.
You are not fooling anyone John Nack.
And let me tell you something else so you stop deluding yourselves. Apple isn't buying you guys up, that's right, you are not on their list of strategic acquisitions that would add value to apple, and you are not getting a cent out of appple's 50 billion. So start running to catch that html5 train because you 'lll soon be out of jobs if you don't.
You're comparing Dell to Apple, really? Really? Dell, a commodity hardware vendor (crap, cheap, same as the others, etc.) that doesn't care anything about anything except that they sell hardware to run Windoze and perhaps Linux on? What's the value proposition of Dell? I'll tell you, it's cheap. Apple, it's about user experience, so they develop great hardware and since there isn't some ugly behemoth they will accept to create the rest of the user experience, they develop it themselves so that their hardware is useful and wonderful and usable and creates a user experience that is second to none.
Apple is a hardware company. Everything they do is about selling hardware. Dell is a commodity hardware manufacturer, and their value proposition is centred around the supply chain and distribution. They don't give a crap what you do with the hardware once you've received shipment. Apple does.
You are the one you brought up the poor hardware argument. All knight did was show you how weak it really is.
Just remember you opened the canned of worms.
This seems like a great idea for the web as long as Flash for HTML5 doesn't become the new "Frontpage for HTML4". The web is still suffering from that crappy bloated HTML creation tool. In fact it is one of the reasons why IE stayed behind HTML standards for so long. They had to keep supporting the crappy code their HTML tool was spitting out. I just hope that's not what this turns out to be.
You are just exactly wrong
You are simply wrong. In early 1997, slightly over half of Adobe's revenues came from Mac software products. In late 1997 the Windows products overtook the Mac products by a very small amount. This was according to the Adobe person I talked to, though, so I am afraid I can't find any actual numbers for you online. If you want to assume I'm lying, that's your prerogative, but don't assume I'm stupid.
-fred
You are simply wrong. In early 1997, slightly over half of Adobe's revenues came from Mac software products. In late 1997 the Windows products overtook the Mac products by a very small amount. This was according to the Adobe person I talked to, though, so I am afraid I can't find any actual numbers for you online. If you want to assume I'm lying, that's your prerogative, but don't assume I'm stupid.
-fred
Are you surprised? Don't be. As I've written many times, Adobe lives or dies by its ability to help customers solve real problems. That means putting pragmatism ahead of ideology.
should probably read:
Are you surprised? Don't be. As I've written many times, Adobe lives or dies by its ability to help customers solve real problems. That means putting survival ahead of ideology.
should probably read:
Are you surprised? Don't be. As I've written many times, Adobe lives or dies by its ability to help customers solve real problems. That means putting survival ahead of ideology.
Well, do you want Apple to be a hardware vendor or not ? Either they are and they compete with the likes of Dell, which you seem to have an irrational hate for, or they aren't and they don't.
Wait, does Apple only care about selling hardware or do they care about the added value after you bought the hardware ?
You're contradicting yourself. You're the one sitting there telling us Apple is just another Dell, I'm saying quite the contrary. Apple is a vestige of the 70s. The last of the consumer systems vendor. They sell a vertically integrated solution, like Amiga did back in the days, like Atari, like Altair, like all those vendors from the 70s and 80s. Like they have always done.
This means that they are both (wait for it...) a hardware and software vendor, but identifying them as either is wrong. They compete with both the Microsofts and Dells, but they offer an added benefit of selling you an integrated solution.
As such, the software is as important as the hardware. It might not be in term of raw profit/revenues, since they count system sales including the software on it into hardware profit/revenues, but it is nonetheless part of the system people are buying. Would people buy as many Macs with Windows installed ? Would they buy an iPhone with Android as much as they do now ? Would they buy OS X to install on a generic PC as much as they buy Macs now ? Would they buy a HTC branded iOS device ?
And this is why you've been wrong all this time. Apple neglecting the software facet of their business is bad.
Thanks for arguing my point for me btw. Sure doesn't help your credibility, but it made it easy for me to prove you wrong.
I think you are exaggerating Apple's part in what Adobe does. KnightWRX showed that this was planned before Jobs rant about flash. This is why the term fanboy is used so often. The people on these boards tend to think that the world revolves around Apple and will read Apple's influence into anything other companies do. Thinking like that certainly deserves the title fanboy.
Not you, the developer. Of course, he now has 2 ways of doing it. The Flash to IPA converter or this Flash to HTML5 Canvas converter. Adobe are positioning Flash as a developer tool more and more and dropping the ties to the runtime everyone loathes (for various reasons).
There's a reason Flash caught on like it did, despite the runtime requirements. The tools to produce the stuff are just that good.
So say developers are lazy, can I use this converter, and install with app sync, or could someone create an app that one download flash games convert them and store them?
I think this will be beyond your budget as a home user. It will also greatly simplify the conversion of Flash into HTML5, but I would guess that you would probably need some understanding of HTML5 or Flash to fine tune the conversion for anything but the most simple apps.
Also, being HTML5 apps they would play in your browser.
I don't do Flash stuff, but I'm pretty sure you can't just open a .swf file in Flash CS5 and hope to be able to modify it, you need the actual source and project file the developer used to compile the .swf in the first place.
Ah lame, I was hoping I could just steal the software, but yea I have no idea how to work with flash or html5, or any type of code.
It's funny that everyone pushes HTML5 and calls Flash crap, yet the only company making good tools to make Canvas apps is the company responsible for Flash itself.
Maybe Apple should use some of its billions to make an HTML5 authoring app before calling other vendors lazy.
Yet your signature depicts:
You seem to abhor Apple, spending time here cursing the company yet you have purchased a £1200 brand new MacBook?
Sorry mate, but you just seem to be an empty vessel making A LOT of noise.
No what you have is KnightWRX is not a blind apple fanboy and does not worship at the church of apple like many people here do. He calls apple on their BS, and lies. Yet others take anything SJ says as the word of god. Even after they are proven wrong time and time again.
yeah your first post on the flash code made that pretty clear. When I read the post knight quoted my only though was you did not know anything about coding or how it works.
If you can not open a file in a Text editor and read it then it is not something you could use.
All Fact! I saw it with my own eyes and I was amazed, The new RIM Playbook rocked as well with Adobe AIR as its backbone! Flash is here to stay, coming to an iPad/iPhone near you soon. I guarantee it!
Yeah... Apple will need to catch up with all this since they won't be able to market their iOS toys as perfect browsing devices for much longer if in fact they are complete opposite...
People will realise soon enough that blue lego boxes are not something that you can call perfect browsing experience...
So I expect in one of the future key notes SJ to eat his own words
Hell, I might even change my sig if that happens!
In a related news, Adobe's buddy, Microsoft shifts its Silverlight strategy. It mentions iOS platform specifically for HTML5 adoption.
"It looks like Microsoft might finally be realizing that Silverlight can't cover every platform, according to this conversation with Bob Muglia: '... when it comes to touting Silverlight as Microsoft’s vehicle for delivering a cross-platform runtime, "our strategy has shifted," Muglia told [ZDNet]. Silverlight will continue to be a cross-platform solution, working on a variety of operating system/browser platforms, going forward, he said. "But HTML is the only true cross platform solution for everything, including (Apple's) iOS platform," Muglia said.'"
Slashdot discussion Here
Original article -> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834
"It looks like Microsoft might finally be realizing that Silverlight can't cover every platform, according to this conversation with Bob Muglia: '... when it comes to touting Silverlight as Microsoft’s vehicle for delivering a cross-platform runtime, "our strategy has shifted," Muglia told [ZDNet]. Silverlight will continue to be a cross-platform solution, working on a variety of operating system/browser platforms, going forward, he said. "But HTML is the only true cross platform solution for everything, including (Apple's) iOS platform," Muglia said.'"
Slashdot discussion Here
Original article -> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834
