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How can you possibly make that argument when you found it necessary to make fun of my wife as a user for not wanting to use Flash when it didn't work for her the way she wanted?

It took all of 2 posts to be a hypocrite, congratulations.

I was simply making a joke about your wife, sorry.

Obviously, she has both cooking and computer issues, but I didn't want to get into that.

My point was simply, that many sites require FLASH and HTML 5 + other hacks don't replace it at this time.

If you choose to live in a cave, fine, that's your prerogative.

Everyone knows FLASH doesn't work well on Macs, I've criticized both Apple AND Adobe for this.

My biggest point now is that this impasse does not help consumers at all. :(

And living in a cave and avoiding FLASH is not a better solution either. :(
 
NOBODY IS USING HTML 5!

Agreed.

I missed part of last night's episode of Glee. Would I be able to bring up Fox's site on the iPad, and re-watch the episode? Nope.

FLASH is pretty darn ubiquitous today. What's the use of an iPad if it can't access easily available Web content?
 
Agreed.

I missed part of last night's episode of Glee. Would I be able to bring up Fox's site on the iPad, and re-watch the episode? Nope.

FLASH is pretty darn ubiquitous today. What's the use of an iPad if it can't access easily available Web content?

Thank you for summing up my point.

I'm not even in favor of FLASH either!

People just want a $500 device to work!
 
Because I'm speaking like an end user, who sees the difference.

I know that Youtube HTML 5 isn't as good as YouTube FLASH.

DUH!

You all might know more technical stuff than me, but you can't hide the end-user experience in the end and even lots of the technical people have said HTML 5 isn't quite there yet.

Like I've said many times, if it WORKS I'm for it. Right now HTML 5 doesn't work for most end users as a complete replacement for Flash on Macs, PCs, or phones.

Flash doesn't work on a single phone. What the hell are you talking about?
 
Everyone knows FLASH doesn't work well on Macs, I've criticized both Apple AND Adobe for this.

My biggest point now is that this impasse does not help consumers at all. :(

And living in a cave and avoiding FLASH is not a better solution either. :(

You just hit on the point that everyone has been trying to explain to you. Congratulations! (Seriously.) If Adobe is not willing or able to make their "cross platform" solution be truly cross-platform (and it's not just Macs, it doesn't work properly on any mobile device either) it HARMS end users to "work something out" or just cave and allow them to keep doing what they're doing. Moving to a set of technologies that do work is the answer--though it doesn't address the development environment.
 
I have to say i thought it would happen but not this soon. I would have expected adobe to fight back alittle.
 
ok, as an end user, I'm convinced. I will start using flash when surfing web now, oh wait, that's what I do with my PC and my MacBook. Looks like Steve Jobs and his evil empire did not take a hold of me. But wait, I still own mac products and, getting iPad soon... why? Because it's still a great product without Flash. What about Adobe? Let's see, I use photoshop, illustrators, AfterEffects for my work on PC with Windows OS. Hey I even tried to convince my company to use Flash for the company website. Oh and I own Nintendo DSi and PS3, and used to drink Coke and Pepsi, not anymore because it's unhealthy.

It's entertaining to see someone forcing his/her own ideal upon others and can't take the difference of an opinion, categorize people into "fanboy", name calling, condescending... oh wait, I forgot, this is open forum, I guess this is all okay then. :p

Oh right, I gotta make a point here. So here's my stance on the topic, if you like Apple product, get it, if you can't live without Flash, then don't get iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad or any other future Apple products that do not support Flash. Apple is not forcing anyone to use their product, and if Flash is that widely accepted around the world, Apple will face its consequences in the near future. Oh, and Bill Gates is a genius, Steve Jobs is awesome, Shantanu Narayen is... well I guess he's okay.
 
It's not better than a computer or a netbook either!

But it costs more! LOL

Every netbook I've tried to use is even worse for typing than the iPad, which isn't great. Every netbook I've tried to use is slower and less stable than the iPad. Etc. Moral of the story: different people have different needs and priorities.

(No, I don't own an iPad--or a Mac--but I've tried out my wife's.)
 
“Someone has it backwards — it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe’s Flash is closed and proprietary."

Perfectly Said.
 
You're wrong, and obviously don't know anything about the things you're talking about. People are using HTML5, and not in betas. And no, it doesn't have all the features of Flash, because that isn't what it is. Flash doesn't have all the features of HTML5 either. HTML5 isn't a "format". Why are you using all these words when you don't know what they mean?

Well, I guess people shouldn't use big words when talking to you....

He is NOT wrong, but you are clueless.

I will quote from the HTML5 draft page:

Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable. Implementors who are not taking part in the discussions are likely to find the specification changing out from under them in incompatible ways.


So much nonsensical religious babbling here....
 
Flash is a closed system.
Flash needs a friggin' plugin to work
Flash is a CPU hog
Flash is a resource hog
Those are my minor gripes

Now, as a university professional who works with the largest college system in the US and deals with other university professionals in other states:
Flash is not ADA compliant (huge, major, critical) so it's sucks and isn't even allowed, rightfully, for college websites or ANY websites with people with visual impairment issues which, I'm sure some Flash fanboy will do the entitlement crap of "screw them," yeaaah no, not screwing some large segment of the population because you only think of yourself.
Also as a person who's done development for the iPhone and Android and has been involved with Google for SEO and stuff:
Flash isn't searchable for content
Flash doesn't really fit well with future SEO
Flash isn't in the same league was real-time web stuff using hash tags and other methods

Flash, it's not good for the consumer, it's not necessary, it's not built for the future, and it needs to die.

Though I love actionscript because it's good for a laugh with fellow programmers.

BTW, I've won awards for Flash design stuff, so I've been there, done that, got the plaques. It was great in it's day, but it needs to go byebye. It's not relevant to open standards, or hardware, and there's plenty of things that can be done without it (video, transitions, super-complex animations, etc.)

It's a crutch for people living in the past. Change or die, if you're so excited about Flash, you're living in the past, it means you're afraid of change and life, and need to either grow a set or admit to yourself, you're not in touch, you're fighting the future, and you're not progressive thinking, you're also going to be outmoded. Soon.

Flash. Great knowing you, great when you had a reason to be, but you don't, so bye. Don't let that sound of progress' door hit you on the ass as you become a footnote and something people cling to while booting some old computer and cursing that internet for advancing with better technology.
 
You just hit on the point that everyone has been trying to explain to you. Congratulations! (Seriously.) If Adobe is not willing or able to make their "cross platform" solution be truly cross-platform (and it's not just Macs, it doesn't work properly on any mobile device either) it HARMS end users to "work something out" or just cave and allow them to keep doing what they're doing. Moving to a set of technologies that do work is the answer--though it doesn't address the development environment.

Sounds fine to me, but how long exactly will that take?

It's obviously not here now.

Right now, you're screwed on content with an iPhone or iPad and even on a Mac Flash works poorly.

Sure, tons of apps, I love that, but that doesn't change the internet experience for the end user.

I feel like I wanna do a Rodney King moment here and somehow get Apple & Adobe somewhat together.

Because otherwise, the average Mac, iPhone, or iPad user is the biggest loser in this dick-wagging battle.
 
Of course not. And?

And what? You were the one saying that Flash doesn't work (well) on any phone. My point was that the iPad isn't a phone. It's something "else." And something many people are looking to either replace their laptop/netbooks and/or get the best browsing experience they can. Which is, of course, subjective.
 
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