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Adobe to sue Apple now?

The only although shaky ground that Adobe *might* have to stand on would be going after Apple for anti-competitive practices, but even then I'm not sure what Apple is doing would qualify.

Any lawyers here want to weigh in?
 
What a joke! One company is suing because their proprietary platform (which is viewed as harmful to the performance of the machine) is suing another proprietary platform because it supports open standards which os best for everyone.


There is no way this will hold up in court especially considering that the iPhone OS is the third largest in marketshare. Adobe is really looking pathetic.

Adobe is really looking pathetic. I guess Adobe expects the gov't to protect what is only in their own best interests and not the net.
 
How is this any different from firefox/opera/netscape/chrome/insert browser here from suing microsoft for not incorporating their browser within windows 7?

All you apple fanbois were the first to jump on that band wagon I'm sure. News flash kids, Apple is MUCH worse about controlling their "Operating System" (which is almost purely based upon *nudge nudge wink wink*).

Apple purposely going out of their way to refuse/decline other manufacturers is absolutely ridiculous. It seems that inserting 'i' in front of anything seems to get all the fanbois out there into a big tornado of love.

Flip the case and say Windows 7 now no longer support quicktime, wouldn't you all get in a hissy fit? You absolutely would. And before any of you respond with the "Well I don't use Windows anyway!" - another news flash for you kids, most of the world does, so your stance of "I don't use it anyway" doesn't really fly. Apple OS has a whopping, what - 6-8% of the market at any given time? WOOHOO, time to take off those diapers and put on the pull-ups! You're a big OS now!

The fat lady is singing, and its calling apple out for all the crap that you fanbois have been giving microsoft for years.

/begin the "omg windows lover" responses now.
 
my .02 (because I know you want it)

I just yesterday put in for my upgrade to CS5. All good would do it again in a heartbeat.

Apple is not against adobe products, they need them to further the platform in the professional world(s) it/they started in.

Flash is the issue here, make no mistake, so we need to separate that out and talk about it _only_

Flash is a pig on most machines Win & Mac. Look at utilization across all instances and you'll find cpu spin up whenever flash is loaded. Now, there is a difference between good flash (as with good code) and crap flash. The web is full of the latter and is detrimental to MacOS machines (in terms of battery life on portables as a result of the cpu & fan work).

Take all of this and think about a tightly controlled mobile platform and how it would suck if they let resource hogging "apps" run on it, plain and simple.

So, keep flash for desktops/portables & leave the phone/pads as they are _or_ offer a way to toggle it off across the platform(s) (this is a feature I would rather, but doubt adobe would implement a kill switch, so I guess they are at a standoff)


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dethmaShine said:
I see why Adobe is doing all this.

They feel that their branded product has been handled very carelessly and that Apple has given a very bad name to one of their best ever consumer software.
Also, on the other hand, Apple has decided to remove cross platform programming (incl. flash) which results in developers associated with flash parting ways from Adobe.

But: Absolute non sense from Adobe if the rumour is true.
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Apple hasn't defamed Adobe in any way at all. Apple hasn't even mentioned Adobe. And Flash is NOT best-ever anything.
 
9secondadidas said:
The only although shaky ground that Adobe *might* have to stand on would be going after Apple for anti-competitive practices, but even then I'm not sure what Apple is doing would qualify.

Any lawyers here want to weigh in?
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I'm not a lawyer but I'll weigh in.

It's simple. It can't be anti-competitive because all Adobe has to do is use C++ and Xcode to make an app.

I'm guessing they do know how to do that.
 
Seriously haters, calm down. No one has to like flash. That's not the point. The point is, it's used. A LOT. It's everywhere. If you want to turn it off on your computer, you can....GREAT! Go ahead, I dont blame you, I dont CARE...you can take flash behind the middle school and punch it in the face or take a crap right in its mouth.

The point here is that you cant even hate on it on your iPhone or iPad because it doesnt exist which limits a LOT on the internet in 2010. Whether its good bad or ugly, its used everywhere and its not slowing down. There are alternatives that people don't use...right now Flash is pretty common. So get over your personal preferences and get to the problem here.

Hating it and having the option to turn it off is one thing, but trying to view websites that REQUIRE it and things like Hulu and streaming music players and anything else flash related like the car manufacturers websites that I mentioned earlier (i couldnt even look at car sites on my ipad)..these things are basically blocked and thats not fair. If I chose to turn it off, fine, but I didnt...and times do come up where I have to go get the laptop...and I shouldnt have to do that.
 
thetechnologist said:
I don't agree with your analogy simply because those two industries are different worlds with vastly different regulatory laws. A company like Apple is usually okay to execute this level of control over it's ecosystem when their market share is relatively minimal (as the Mac OS has been throughout it's existence), however, now that Apple is dominating in the mobile OS market, regulators might find this to be an anti-trust situation. A more parallel (no pun intended) analogy would be the Microsoft/Netscape situation and, given those results, Apple might be in trouble and this might be the next epic tech lawsuit. Believe it or not, Apple is almost the Microsoft of the mobile OS right now.

By the way, I give you props for picking Quagmire as your username. Cracks me up every time.
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Apple doesn't even control 50% of the smartphone market, does it? It might be the gold standard quality and innovation wise, but Microsoft has 90% of the PC market, give or take a few.
 
err404 said:
This is not about facts, it's about PR. The issue is ethical, not legal. Apple is being accused of changing the rules for submitting apps to it's store specifically to block the efforts of Adobe.
This wont go very far in the courts, but the media and technocracy will eat this up and further sour Apple's image.
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Apple is not the one that needs to worry about their image, Adobe has had a negative persona for a long time, and in the "favorably well liked department" Apple Win's.

All the Positive Press on the iPad and such gives Apple a Leading edge in likability and this can't be dismissed.
 
Adobe products really sucks (lately) and i'm with Apple 100% about sdk changes.
Support html5 and pixelmator :-D
 
Yamcha said:
I'm glad, but I'm a bit worried now.. @ Adobe.com you cannot pre-order Adobe CS5 for Mac =/ only the PC??

There better be CS5 for MAC!!!! I've said it many times before but If there isn't Apple is loosing me as a Mac User.. and I'm sure other Designers aswell..
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What are you talking about? I can pre-order both mac or windows versions of Web Premium.
 
except

Apple doesn't lead the world OS mobile market or anywhere near it. And no court is going to intervene unless it's a mature market. Windows seven phones (or whatever they are called) aren't even out yet. And the MS clones will tell you that they are iPhone killers. And doesn't Android appear on 6 different phones in the USA already?

thetechnologist said:
I don't agree with your analogy simply because those two industries are different worlds with vastly different regulatory laws. A company like Apple is usually okay to execute this level of control over it's ecosystem when their market share is relatively minimal (as the Mac OS has been throughout it's existence), however, now that Apple is dominating in the mobile OS market, regulators might find this to be an anti-trust situation. A more parallel (no pun intended) analogy would be the Microsoft/Netscape situation and, given those results, Apple might be in trouble and this might be the next epic tech lawsuit. Believe it or not, Apple is almost the Microsoft of the mobile OS right now.

By the way, I give you props for picking Quagmire as your username. Cracks me up every time.
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adobe has no case i hope apple counter sues for STUPIDITY on the grounds that there a bunch of whinny r-tards with no where else to turn. and further more all the people who are calling us fanboys for saying thad adobe is stupid for doing this back off just because flash is used in every pc around the world doesn't mean its the best, take it i would love to have it on my iphone thats not the point the point is that its there platform and they can do what they feel is best there is no way to prove there blocking them out of there platform for some nefarious purpose. also they cant say they are unjustly to the developers because the devs agreed to the terms and conditions and i bet there is some clause in it that says "apple has the right...ect". so this is why we say adobe is not to smart for doing this. NOW YOU KNOW!!!
 
DoNoHarm said:
and they SHOULD sue.
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For what?

Apple can run whatever it wants in it's own hardware/software.

Besides, why would we want the INTERNET be COMPLETELY controlled by ONE COMPANY's technology "FLASH"??? Why is that a good thing??
 
Adobe is a douche

I firmly believe that if Adobe came out with a working flash plug for mac since 10.4
Apple and Adobe would be in good standings.
But thats not the case.

Adobe does nothing but bitch and complain and now Apple just ignores them and goes with another and better solutions.
I love when Adobe tries to get customer to go against Apple.

Like when CS4 came out
The douche CEO Adobe,completely blame Apple for their program only being 32 bit and not 64 bit cause Apple only updated Cocoa to 64 bit and not Carbon.
But instead of pushing CS4 to have 64 bit,they state it would takes 'years' to convert their broken code to Cocoa.

Also I believe that if Adobe had a working flash plug for the iPhone when it came out.The iPhone would have flash right now.
Apple knew how important flash was when their launch the iPhone
I do believe their produce a plug-in that was horrible on power and crashed alot.
Apple waited but Adobe instead of producing a plug-in that works, they bitch to apple and even had surveys and websites to stated iPhone customer want flash and should feedback and complain to Apple and not Adobe.
By then it was too late,Apple launches the app store which was a 2nd thought for Apple and lay Adobe in their waste.

Look at the Opera app for the iPhone.Here you have a company that instead of bitching and complaining over Apple,they produce a great app and it got approved from Apple.
Great tech companies always plan ahead to be ahead of everyone.
They don't wait for other crappy companies to get their act together.
If you wait,you'll be behind everyone else in the field.
And if your a company produces nothing,you will get pass for a another solution
 
Probably what Apple should do is allow Flash but make it a point to explain that they do not recommend it during trouble shooting sessions. Telling the customer to remove flash should be the first step in diagnosing most problems.

"Iphone running hot or clunky? We don't recommend flash. Remove that for a while and see how it goes. Get back to us if you still have problems."
 
A note to the Adobe employees: You should be working hard on making Adobe products suck less and maybe you'll be allowed to play with Apple again.

Honestly, how could Adobe not expect this to happen with the crapware they've made for Apple for the years.

Apple dropping PPC and switching to Intel should have been a huge warning sign that Apple only takes crap for so long before adapt and overcome.

Adobe needs to address the fact that they're a substandard company and just about everyone is getting tired of their continued inability to make their products work well.
 
HyperZboy said:
Most iPad buyers probably don't even know what FLASH is when they bought it.

But when that QUESTION MARK comes up on all their favorite website pages, they will feel like they've been had by Apple.
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Hasn't happened to me yet. Guess Flash isn't anywhere I want to be.

Yes, this thread is for fanboys, but in the opposite way you thought. Everyone cheering on Adobe to sue Apple is being a fanboy, because there is nothing illegal going on here.
 
I remember when

I remember when Mac users had to beg developers to make software for the Mac. Now developers are filing law suites to get on the Mac bandwagon. In the end it only hurts the users.
 
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