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Adobe to sue Apple now?
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Best line on this whole board. I try to avoid chirping in but some of the things I'm reading are just ludicrith (pronounced with a Mike Tyson lisp).
Bottom line people, if you do not like Apple products or the way that Apple achieves the best possible product for their customers, then build a bridge and get over it. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PURCHASE APPLE PRODUCTS
Seriously, go somewhere else, there are plenty of products that will suit your needs, that will allow you to use the mess out of flash. No one is telling you what to purchase. Oh wait I can already hear it "WAAAAA, but Steve should let us have open platforms for blabbity blah." Again, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PURCHASE APPLE PRODUCTS Way back when, I used to love HP products, when I was getting into PCs and what not. After experiencing several problems and a few kentucky fried motherboards and a couple of unrecoverable HDs along the way, I decided to go somewhere else for a better product. I didn't keep buying HPs, only to bash them and complain every step of the way. No, I packed my stuff and walked out the door. There will always be room for improvement, in anything we do or use in this life, but we always have a choice in what we buy. Oh and maybe I haven't mentioned it yet..........NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PURCHASE APPLE PRODUCTS Seriously, if they paid people to complain, some of you would be filthy rich.......
Only one problem with that. Even the Android phones don't offer Flash today. Supposedly, a very small number of high end (Cortex A8 or higher) Android phones will offer a limited version of Flash some time this year, but 99.9% of the market doesn't offer Flash.
Based on what? Did you get the Ivory Soap advertisements (99.44% pure) confused with the mobile software market?
According to Apple, Apple had 64% of all mobile downloads in the most recent period. Of course, that's not a particularly relevant number, but even if it was, it doesn't make Apple a monopoly.
Actually, it doesn't. It simply says that Apple doesn't want Flash on the iPhone. Considering that no other vendor offers Flash on a mobile device, how is that Apple's fault?
"Because Apple is a big old meanie and they hurt my feewings. *sob*"
What defamation? Apple doesn't allow Flash on their mobile devices. Neither does anyone else.
Even Adobe's own system requirements for Flash 10.1 are too high for the iPhone to meet. So why is it Apple's fault that they're not offering Flash when ADOBE says that the iPhone isn't powerful enough?
Defamation applies only if you make a false statement about someone and hurt their business. First, no one has shown any of Apple's statements to be false. Second, since Flash doesn't currently run on any mobile device, Adobe's business hasn't been harmed.
The article is pure clickbait FUD.
Apple should sue Adobe for making crap products full of bugs.
*) Flash is slow on Mac compared to the same computer booted in Windows. This is an obvious fact. Known for quite some time, Adobe yet to respond. Their latest Flash beta, 10.1.x is even worse.
*) Photoshop CS4 crashed on me twice in the past month with segmentation fault doing a layer mask on a photo. Nothing special.
*) And numerous times I had to delete my Photoshop preferences because the window refused to remember its position... and then opening halfway off screen. Then when I would resize the window, all parts of the window that were initially offscreen would be solid white and nothing I would do would cause the window to "redraw" itself.
Those are 3 just issues. But come on, CS4 is over a year old, the CS suite itself is supposed to be mature on OS X, yet still, numerous simple, everyday usage bugs exist.
Now, I do not expect bug software. Everyone knows that is not possible, especially with ultra complex software like the CS products. But overtime, it certainly feels like quality has dropped over all Adobe products, at least to me it has.
How about, Adobe, get your head out of your butts, and cleanup your software before trying to release the next greatest "selection tool" or "content-aware gaussian blur" or whatever dumbo feature you are thinking about half-implementing next.
*) Flash is slow on Mac compared to the same computer booted in Windows. This is an obvious fact. Known for quite some time, Adobe yet to respond. Their latest Flash beta, 10.1.x is even worse.
*) Photoshop CS4 crashed on me twice in the past month with segmentation fault doing a layer mask on a photo. Nothing special.
*) And numerous times I had to delete my Photoshop preferences because the window refused to remember its position... and then opening halfway off screen. Then when I would resize the window, all parts of the window that were initially offscreen would be solid white and nothing I would do would cause the window to "redraw" itself.
Those are 3 just issues. But come on, CS4 is over a year old, the CS suite itself is supposed to be mature on OS X, yet still, numerous simple, everyday usage bugs exist.
Now, I do not expect bug software. Everyone knows that is not possible, especially with ultra complex software like the CS products. But overtime, it certainly feels like quality has dropped over all Adobe products, at least to me it has.
How about, Adobe, get your head out of your butts, and cleanup your software before trying to release the next greatest "selection tool" or "content-aware gaussian blur" or whatever dumbo feature you are thinking about half-implementing next.
I don't want to be a pain in the ass for all Apple fanbois, but:
What if Adobe says: We stop delivering our software to Apple?
It would have a GREAT impact in the whole Apple computer industry since like 80 to 99% of all graphic design related industry is working on Apple.
Like Apple says which is their good right: We don't support flash.
Adobe: ok, we won't support Mac OSX.
All of you fanbois will blame and shout as well, since many of you are also using it. Anyways, since this is not the case, I will go back on-topic:
I see Apple's point in a future aspect, but right now, it's a very very bad move. Major websites and a LOT of industries websites, are using flash (or elements of flash). Not even to mention many designers and artists websites. Apple should support and even should try to find a way to make Flash work perfect on their OS's. If they do, they would have a great advantage.
Instead of helping and supporting, they are too lazy to find a good way and just declines it. HTML 5 is coming, yes, but DEFINITELY not within 5 year: it's still 70% flash by then.
Adobe is the one here who is the strongest, only if they threaten to decline the support on Apple products.
What if Adobe says: We stop delivering our software to Apple?
It would have a GREAT impact in the whole Apple computer industry since like 80 to 99% of all graphic design related industry is working on Apple.
Like Apple says which is their good right: We don't support flash.
Adobe: ok, we won't support Mac OSX.
All of you fanbois will blame and shout as well, since many of you are also using it. Anyways, since this is not the case, I will go back on-topic:
I see Apple's point in a future aspect, but right now, it's a very very bad move. Major websites and a LOT of industries websites, are using flash (or elements of flash). Not even to mention many designers and artists websites. Apple should support and even should try to find a way to make Flash work perfect on their OS's. If they do, they would have a great advantage.
Instead of helping and supporting, they are too lazy to find a good way and just declines it. HTML 5 is coming, yes, but DEFINITELY not within 5 year: it's still 70% flash by then.
Adobe is the one here who is the strongest, only if they threaten to decline the support on Apple products.
The legal reasoning is, I think, identical, however. Given that the market (either smartphone or tablet) is by no means dominated by Apple, any anti-competitivenss grounds for a lawsuit is a non-starter.
forget adobe, can I sue Apple
I bought an iPad, the sales guy said everyone is moving off flash. That night three major sites i use failed because no flash support.
Seems Apple's arbitrary decision to not support flash and their lying salesmen have harmed me. I think I will sue.
Don't give me crap that their decision isn't arbitrary, if its because of performance, then give me a way to enable or disable it myself. I don't need 10 hours of battery life anyway.
I think I will sue them for 10 million in punitive damages, corporations should not inflict their negative attitude on the poor consumer.
I bought an iPad, the sales guy said everyone is moving off flash. That night three major sites i use failed because no flash support.
Seems Apple's arbitrary decision to not support flash and their lying salesmen have harmed me. I think I will sue.
Don't give me crap that their decision isn't arbitrary, if its because of performance, then give me a way to enable or disable it myself. I don't need 10 hours of battery life anyway.
I think I will sue them for 10 million in punitive damages, corporations should not inflict their negative attitude on the poor consumer.
You should put that at the beginning of your post(s), so people don't have to waste their time reading an uninformed opinion.
Adobe should build a cellphone and a tablet out of mud and then open their own app store. That would show apple. Especially when they don't let apple sell apps in it.
As for sites that use flash... any competent web developer does not need to use flash. If you are running into websites using flash, ask them nicely but firmly to hire a competent web developer to fix their site and remove flash.
As for sites that use flash... any competent web developer does not need to use flash. If you are running into websites using flash, ask them nicely but firmly to hire a competent web developer to fix their site and remove flash.
Stop and think for a second.
Flash 10.1 (which is supposed to solve all of Flash's problems, but isn't even on the market yet) requires a Cortex A8 processor or higher. That leaves out the iPhone. So Adobe's own hardware requirements say it won't work on the iPhone because the iPhone isn't fast enough.
Now if you take the same Flash code and add a middleware layer, do you expect the software to get faster or slower?
If you say 'slower', then you lost your entire argument.
If you say 'faster', you need to wake up because you're dreaming. Have you EVER seen a runtime middleware layer make a piece of code go faster?
Exactly. NO ONE would ever buy a mobile device without Flash, right?
Apple is King.
Apple can limit whatever they want. Moral or not, they should not be forced to certain application models.
This is different than killing apps in the app store. Apple is saying you can't write apps that do certain things. You shouldn't be allowed to write an app that modifies global system settings on the iphone... or, automatically make calls, or download large amounts of data in order to fill up your phone maliciously.
If Apple allows apps that run flash on top, they lose a bunch of security that they have if it's just the app.
If you want to make an app on the iPhone. Learn how. Don't be a lazy flash action script coder... you people aren't developers...
(i'll never come back to this thread so you might as well not reply directly too it to comment to me)
Apple can limit whatever they want. Moral or not, they should not be forced to certain application models.
This is different than killing apps in the app store. Apple is saying you can't write apps that do certain things. You shouldn't be allowed to write an app that modifies global system settings on the iphone... or, automatically make calls, or download large amounts of data in order to fill up your phone maliciously.
If Apple allows apps that run flash on top, they lose a bunch of security that they have if it's just the app.
If you want to make an app on the iPhone. Learn how. Don't be a lazy flash action script coder... you people aren't developers...
(i'll never come back to this thread so you might as well not reply directly too it to comment to me)
Well, it is partly about FLASH. And as far as Adobe is concerned, it is about FLASH. It is a FLASH to Cocoa cross-compiler.
and yea, if they can't even get Flash player right on OS X, how the heck are they going to cross compile flash program to a native objective-c program that is any good. Their not.
Adobe is where programmers go that don't get into Google,Apple,Intel research,IBM research,HP research. Or they graduated with a Math degree and like programming on the side.
Or, buying an operating system disk (OS X) and being told which hardware you're legally permitted to run it on....
Apple would do the same thing they did when Adobe pulled Premiere for Mac:
Apple will buy another company that does similar things and make it their own.
Just like Apple did with Final Cut Studio versus Adobe Premiere.
Adobe was in a BAD place when they pulled Mac support. A few years later they brought it back, but the ship had already sailed...
I have to fix some bad info here:
It would impact Adobe a lot more, so much more, that it won't happen. Adobe likes the revenue from Mac-based sales.
Except ... Flash is 100% Adobe's. Apple can't make it work any better. Adobe is the only one who can do that.
Help with what, telling Adobe to make Flash run better on OS X? It's been done, but Adobe isn't listening.
It would impact Adobe a lot more, so much more, that it won't happen. Adobe likes the revenue from Mac-based sales.
Except ... Flash is 100% Adobe's. Apple can't make it work any better. Adobe is the only one who can do that.
Help with what, telling Adobe to make Flash run better on OS X? It's been done, but Adobe isn't listening.
Heck my studio, has 12+ workstations running adobe products. We had a quick meeting of how to switch in case thins thing goes out of control (unlikely) temporary solution would be get windows CD5 licenses and boot campt it. Than next machine upgrade cycle start switching to PCs.
I prefer mac os, but really 90% of the time I am in after effects or photoshop.
Yeah it's just retarded to expect Apple to have to create a whole bunch of new positions just so they can approve apps made with Flash and stuff. People should just learn to code.
You need to read about it. The middleware is not some emulation layer. The middleware is a program compiler. it would take something written lets say in C# or flash and convert it to iPhone format. Nothing more. So yes it would run faster than flash on a web site because it is an app running on the iPhone directly. It makes apps that you can download from the app store.
Flash for web pages, runs threw the browser to emulator like program to run it. That is a middle layer.
You are yet another example of people who do not understand what this is about and think it is all about flash on web pages....
Dream on.
r.j.s. said:
True, but since design studios can't wait because of their deadlines, they are forced to choose differently. It's hypothetical, but it could work.
Aside that, it might be flash which isn't running perfectly, Apple could make their OS sorted out to make it work perfectly. You can't deny: Flash is working so much better on a PC then on a Mac. It slows down mines at work and my MBP really badly.
This is demonstrably false. The Mac platform is responsible for over 40% of Adobe's sales (based on their public earnings), and Apple has $40 billion in their pocket.
In all seriousness, just who do you think is going to weather that storm better?