Nope, I think the real problem Apple is trying to get rid of is competition.
All the "talking points" they feed the faithful are just to deflect from that. Basically, they pull the wool over the eyes of "think kiddies."
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Nope, I think the real problem Apple is trying to get rid of is competition.
All the "talking points" they feed the faithful are just to deflect from that. Basically, they pull the wool over the eyes of "think kiddies."
Steve Jobs and Apple seem to be the only ones that actually care about their customer base. Look what we've got: Macs, OS X, App Store, iPhones, iPod Touches, and now the iPad with even better apps.
We're spoiled. And we have that sense of entitlement to go with it.
I think where Apple wins is that THEY sell all the apps. I know it's counter intuitive, but one can easily argue that Apple or anyone has a right to create a device, cell phone, or product that runs or does things and they do nit have to support or provide a means to other people implementing changes or software onto that device. If people want to do it, fine, but they might void te warranty. And Apple has the right to hire application writers and developers and sell whatever apps it wants to for the device. They can't be forced to allow Adobe to write apps. That's all that's going on here. Because it's a closed system, Apple is hiring (paying) developers of their choosing to make apps for their store. They can't discriminate based on race, religion, nationality, etc. But they can discriminate just because they don't like someone or because they don't like their app. They have pointedly NOT created an open marketplace for this very reason. It's no more open than KMart. You can't just sell stuff at KMart can you? Nope. KMart decides. Sorry if KMart is the only store in your town.
I'm backing Apple on this one, there has got to be a serious reason as to why they dont want the plugin flash on the iPhone & iPad and to be honest HTML5 is so much nicer & way less cpu intensive.
But Apple make the devices they really should be able to control how apps are made & written so everything is good for the end user, sure it may seem a bad move at first but as time progresses.
To be honest If the browser plugin flash was out for the iPhone I'm pretty certain that it would cause major crashing issues, pretty certain indeed.
I dont really see how Adobe can try and control how iPhone apps are made its not there product.
Now I love adobe applications I use Photoshop, Indesign pretty much everyday and CS5 looks awesome & its finally 64-bit for OS X, but this case is just stupid.
But Apple make the devices they really should be able to control how apps are made & written so everything is good for the end user, sure it may seem a bad move at first but as time progresses.
To be honest If the browser plugin flash was out for the iPhone I'm pretty certain that it would cause major crashing issues, pretty certain indeed.
I dont really see how Adobe can try and control how iPhone apps are made its not there product.
Now I love adobe applications I use Photoshop, Indesign pretty much everyday and CS5 looks awesome & its finally 64-bit for OS X, but this case is just stupid.
So, Apple should build Flash player right into OS X - even though Flash is wholly owned by Adobe? That's not a patent, trademark or copyright violation ...
So, Apple should build Flash player right into OS X - even though Flash is wholly owned by Adobe? That's not a patent, trademark or copyright violation ...
here you just named 1 good reason to co-operate.
Hmm... before this thread all of the graphic designers claimed Adobe hasn't added anything worthwhile in several years. But now it's all indispensable? If Photoshop went away, you can bet a lot of those filters/effects/features would be available in other graphics applications within weeks. Certainly enough features to match Photoshop a few years ago ... you know, when Adobe upgrades were worthwhile.
That's a great example of why you don't have any concept of why Apple is concerned. It's not about the revenues. It's about crappy software making the iPhone look bad. Apple is apparently one of the last companies in the industry who cares about user experience.
It doesn't matter if it's a compiler or a run time or magic fairy dust. IT DOESN'T WORK.
http://www.bit-101.com/blog/?p=2410
"But the things that are choppy and not performing well are the simplest of simple animations and transitions. "
That's from a prominent Flash developer. The only sites saying that the converter works well are Adobe sites.
Adobe could limit PDF-Reader, shim, jail-breakers
Adobe could choose to stop Apple support for PDF. They still own it and could choose to not support it.
As for Flash, it appears to Apple/Jobs to be a shim-app where someone could take a supported Apple product and go to a Flash page where the compiled code would run their phone and ruin their experience. Apple needs to protect users from this kind of code-set.
the iPhone does have a 3rd party app-store - - -jail-breaking. There is nothing to prevent Adobe from creating a flash version for jail-breakers.
Adobe could choose to stop Apple support for PDF. They still own it and could choose to not support it.
As for Flash, it appears to Apple/Jobs to be a shim-app where someone could take a supported Apple product and go to a Flash page where the compiled code would run their phone and ruin their experience. Apple needs to protect users from this kind of code-set.
the iPhone does have a 3rd party app-store - - -jail-breaking. There is nothing to prevent Adobe from creating a flash version for jail-breakers.
I'm backing the fact that in your ignorance you still don't realize that this has nothing to do with flash in the sense of browser plugin or playing flash content on the net.
umm yes I know what it means you mean flash the application where you can do animations etc. I'm at college & studying media I use flash but not often I'm more of a motion person for animations. So dont call me ignorant
How can someone criticizing fanboys be a fanboy? LOL
As for the legal justification, I already said there was none that I see (but I'm not a legal expert so that's why I've not delved into that).
I also think Adobe would lose, but that's NOT why they're suing!
It's not uncommon for someone to sue just to initiate a settlement or desired outcome that doesn't involve winning the case.
Yes.
But it has nothing to do with what you mentioned.
This is about using flash to program apps. This is also about games that are made with different compilers like Unity.
Go ahead! Bite me!
Oh so now Adobe might sue Apple! For those of us who remember Apple struggling 13 years ago this makes sense!
http://innerdaemon.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/sorry-adobe-you-screwed-yourself/
What goes around comes around!
Oh so now Adobe might sue Apple! For those of us who remember Apple struggling 13 years ago this makes sense!
http://innerdaemon.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/sorry-adobe-you-screwed-yourself/
What goes around comes around!
adobe has a case here in that their not being allowed to the party is hurting their business and bottom line.
however, apple can make the case that the success of their devices is dependent on battery life, and since adobe does not meet X Y Z standards, it would cause damage to apple's reputation and sales (because of bad battery life reports). apple would have to show that adobe's poorly written code causes their devices to run for significantly shorter periods, where harm would come to their bottom line.
however, apple can make the case that the success of their devices is dependent on battery life, and since adobe does not meet X Y Z standards, it would cause damage to apple's reputation and sales (because of bad battery life reports). apple would have to show that adobe's poorly written code causes their devices to run for significantly shorter periods, where harm would come to their bottom line.
I'm in no way pro Apple other than owning a. iPod and iPad... I don't know if Adobe has a case, the iPhone OS is a closed OS, that Apple controls completely. What Adobe needs to do is go back to the drawing board and recreate flash. I always gad issues with it on laptops i had as it killed battery life. I'm sure they have some good programers at adobe who can slim the product down and make it use less battery. I do think that Apple wants to be able to alter it for their own use.
I use Photoshop and InDesign, i think their great pieces of software. I'm on the fence cause i think both sides are being childish.
I use Photoshop and InDesign, i think their great pieces of software. I'm on the fence cause i think both sides are being childish.
Not a good argument there. I do not have to look very far to find the fact that a majority of Apples 140k + apps are crap and calling them crap is being nice.
Pulled from the same article. He even said it was in very early Beta or even Alpha stages when he looked at it. Not valid comparison.
No they can't. They license it royalty-free to all comers, and they are required to keep doing so since they submitted it to ISO 32000-1.
That is true, its like Apple suing Nintendo cause they don't use the iPhone OS. I have little issue with not having flash, I goto my desktop for some sites, but that doesn't happen very often.
same argument could be made regarding apps - apps written through adobe's utility decrease battery life compared to natively written apps. decreased battery life = bad reports = lower sales = lower bottom line.
adobe go pound sand.
Odd decision
Flash is a small portion of Adobe's business. Why waste time doing something like this. Keep making awesome creative applications and don't worry about the pennies you might lose because flash cannot run on the iPad. Seems like sour grapes causing misdirected effort.
Flash is a small portion of Adobe's business. Why waste time doing something like this. Keep making awesome creative applications and don't worry about the pennies you might lose because flash cannot run on the iPad. Seems like sour grapes causing misdirected effort.
This is the big thing, Apple is free to create, maintain, and control all content on their app store, but they do not allow for Apps to be loaded onto their devices from outside of this store. They use this control to they have to push whatever agenda's they might have (such as no google voice, no flash, no intrpreted code) to try and force everyone (developers and consumers) into their platform for the long haul.
Everyone saying "Oh, Apple isn't a monopoly so none of this is of legal concern" should consider that Apple might not own any one market, but they are major forces in several and they are only going to get bigger. I don't know about you, but having one company controlling the digital distribution of Books, Movies, TV Shows, Music and Mobile Applications who uses these platforms to push their own products since all of it only works on their devices is a scary thought.
When Steve Jobs was asked at the iPhone OS 4.0 Q&A if there was any intentions of opening the platform to installation of applications outside the app store he responded, "There is a porn store for Android to go to. You can download them, your kids can download them. Thats a place we dont want to go. Were not going to go there." Let's say for a moment that this was not just anything more than a baseless "won't someone please think of the children?" argument. The internet is quite well know for having porn. Would you think it okay if Steve Jobs decreed tomorrow, "There is porn on the internet. You can watch it, your kids can watch. Thats a place we dont want to go. Were no longer going to let you go there." and followed it with "everything you need can be supplied by the app store."
I have a feeling the main reason you can't stand them is because Apple doesn't like Flash. In fact I think thats the main reason most Mac users hate Adobe. Flash isn't all they make and some of their other products smoke the Hell out of what Apple has to offer.