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It might be unfathomable to the average American, but NO, Apple CANNOT do what they want with their software and TERMS. Especially NOT with their TERMS.

In case you haven't noticed, there are LAWS, and Apple has to obey those laws as much as you or anybody else.

Could Ford forbid Pirelli to produce and sell tires that fit on their cares?
Could McDonald's forbid Heinz to produce and sell Ketchup for their French Fries?
Could Swatch forbid somebody to produce and sell batteries that fit into their watches?

Could Microsoft forbid Adobe to produce and sell Flash for Windows? (We all certainly know the answer to that -- Microsoft was grilled for more than one illegal attempt at finishing off their competitors.)

Could Apple write a license agreement that only allows you to use their software while you are in Disneyland and wearing a Mickey Mouse T-Shirt?

Folks like you actually believe that Apple has all the rights to impose such rules on their customers.

And people in other countries believe that their have to be limits to the rights of the copyright owner, because, you know, customers (and in this case, developers) have rights, too. And in other countries, the rights of the customers weigh as much as the rights of the seller.

Please tell us exactly what law Apple is breaking. Since you believe you're such an expert, it should be easy for you to do that. So please tell us the specific law and what sections Apple is violating.

(This should be good)
 
How can someone criticizing fanboys be a fanboy? LOL

Ummmmm....

As for the legal justification, I already said there was none that I see (but I'm not a legal expert so that's why I've not delved into that).
I also think Adobe would lose, but that's NOT why they're suing!

It's not uncommon for someone to sue just to initiate a settlement or desired outcome that doesn't involve winning the case.

But not with such a weak case; you have to have some reasonable expectation of winning.
 
I'm sorry, but this is getting pathetic...

First M$ get told off for only including THEIR browser on THEIR os due to "Unfair competition" & now this...

Why file suit for this. They should should see why they do this, maybe M$ should file suite against them because you can use can't install Windows Mobile on the iPhone, oh... wait, thats also pathetic... Or they should just realise that they can't get on the iPhone. There is a reason for this I'm sure...?

MS did a little bit more than that. In their quest to destroy netscape they kept resellers from installing netscape in their builds. No one was asking MS at the time to included Netscape, they were just asking MS not to try to put Dell out of business for installing Netscape in an aftermarket build.

It's a little different, no?
 
Apple is about to get reemed. If any of you think that Adobe isn't going to file a lawsuit your nuts. They have plenty of ground to stand on, it's predatory what Apple is doing. That's case law. If this were Microsoft everyone here would be singing a different tune. Microsoft has been here and they got screwed. So will Apple.

I think Apple is starting to become the next Microsoft and it might just be about time someone knocks them off their high horse. I love Apple, but man was this a terrible move. Apple's lawyers are definitely already geared up.

Just watch though, when it comes down to a jury they will sympathize with Adobe. Apple needs to either re-interprete that TOS or the best they are going to get in the end is an cute little "Approved by Apple" seal (Sound familiar?). Watch.
 
Think this through. This about being locked out of the Appstore.

In Essence Apple is a publisher.

Adobe is like an author suing to published. Publishers can reject authors for ANY reason they see fit.

Have you ever heard of an author suing to get published?

If Adobe did anything so ill conceived, we will be looking back in 10 years at the day that marked the end of Adobe...
 
I'm 100% behind Adobe.. and I hope Unity and Appcelerator joins in.

If I remember right, Unity and Appcelerator came out in favor of this change. In this case Adobe is wrong, Apple is acting in the best interest of it customers, its platform, and its business.

Customers won't be subjected to half-assed flash apps that don't fit the platform, and will be protected from OS upgrades that break potentially large numbers of applications. This is similar to Adobe and MS refusing to first upgrade apps to OSX from classic, then refusing to upgrade to x86 from ppc, and then refusing to upgrade to 64-bit. All of these upgrades were made fairly straight forward if you used Apple's dev tools or followed Apple guidelines.

The platform is protected from a 3rd party dictating how it will work. Preventing Apple from adding or removing feature, probably user requested feature. Apple has been there before it retarded the growth and capabilities of OSX for at least 7 years. This also protects the platform from the least common denominator effect. What's the difference between Dell and HP? Nothing, because windows (MS) prevents one from truly differentiating itself. Even if Dell or HP added some cool wizbang widget Windows wouldn't take advantage of it because MS won't make a custom version of its OS or applications.

This all leads to protecting the business by allowing Apple the flexibility and agility within the market to move as it needs to to make money. The goal here isn't to make Adobe or Flash developers money. The goal is to make Apple and Apple's developers money. I know it sucks that flash devs need to learn something new but such is life. If you want cross platform write in HTML 5. Oh wait they'd have to learn that too.
 
I'm pretty sure they don't have a case.

Apple can clearly point to RIM, Android, Windows Mobile, and (for now?) Palm as other options. If consumers care about things Apple doesn't offer then there are many other places for them to go.

The iPhone would have to have a much, much larger market share before this would even begin to be a legal issue.

Came here to say this, glad it was covered in the first post. All Apple has to do is show how bad Flash runs and say this is not up to our standards. No court will make Apple run 3rd party software on their hardware.
 
Could Ford forbid Pirelli to produce and sell tires that fit on their cares?
If those producers had a contract with Ford and were bound in private contract with them? Sure they could.
Could McDonald's forbid Heinz to produce and sell Ketchup for their French Fries?
If Heinz had a contract with McDonalds and were bound in private contract with them? Sure they could.
Could Swatch forbid somebody to produce and sell batteries that fit into their watches?
Yep. You guessed it. Same here. Apple has chosen a closed system. If you play their game, you play by their rules.

Is the Federal Reserve authorized to print fiat paper money with absolutely NO intrinsic value? Nope. But it does it anyway. Do most American's actually owe an income tax? Nope. But they pay it anyway.

It's crazy like that sometimes.
 
Perspective

if apple did not make a single product ever again i don't think i would be very worried. think about it would it really matter?

if adobe ( i cant even bring my self to say it) did not develop again well it would be a travesty adobe are the true pioneers, just look at CS5

go adobe sue them someone need to stop the madness
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this law suit (if it is true) my be pressured from some of the shareholders of Adobe. There was an article posted here about how Adobe could be losing lots of money because Apple is not letting them play in the (i)market. Thus causing the devaluation of the stock due to poor sales of there product to vendors who use there tools to make flash video's and ads.
 
There are those things called LAWS, and even Apple has to obey them. They can run their business any way they want as long as they stick to the rules.

There is no law or rule that states you have to run X plug-in on your hardware/software...
 
There are those things called LAWS, and even Apple has to obey them. They can run their business any way they want as long as they stick to the rules.

Please enlighten me as to which laws they are breaking.
 
One can easily argue that Apple is engaging in anticompetitive practices in an area where it may have a monopoly.

The "performance" argument Jobs gives is a poor excuse and certainly not borne on the OS X platform.

Apple doesn't have a monopoly in the cell phone market or the smart phone market.
 
Perhaps there's some legal reasoning I don't understand.

But it seems to me that if there are other phones (there are) and there are other app markets (there are) then Adobe needs to prove how Apple prevents people from buying Blackberry apps or Android apps. What is it about their low-sales did Apple cause?

Because I can't think of a reason.

But maybe I'm wrong (I'm no lawyer) and maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. But it seems to me that the fact that people own Blackberries and Android phones means that Adobe has every chance in the world to sell their software to those users.

I would think that's what matters: They have a (quite large) market available to them. Apple can't block that. If 90% of the users owned iPhones then, yes, Apple is cutting Adobe off from their buyers. But they don't. So what's stopping Adobe from selling to the other types of phones?

No offense but you really don't get it! Read up on anti-trust and the Sherman act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-trust

I don't really know that Adobe could win this, but they do have some valid arguments. It has NOTHING to do with other phone makers or their platforms. It has EVERYTHING to do with Apple's which is majority market share not allowing competition on its development platform.

Adobe is desperate and I love it! I hope this is the last straw for Flash!

It will be VERY interesting to see what happens with this though!
 
You want a much better one ?

Microsoft allowing Xcode to run on Windows.;)

Apple's the one restricting Xcode (like 90% of their software - the exceptions being iTunes, Safari, Quicktime, and one other minor app I can't recall) - Microsoft would accept it with open arms - just as Apple accepted the option to run Windows on Mac OSX (it's just an efficient option). Hardware manufacturers like Sony would love to put current releases of the Mac OS on the computers rather than Windows (as they were allowed temporarily in the 90s) but Jobs is the one blocking that from happening these days.
 
omg

I think that adobe will sue apple for actively BLOCKING their technology, resulting in damages. I think that's what's going to happen. Apple will re instate the flash apps and that will be that. I think that's what's going to happen. If it were up to me though, i'd officially say to adobe to get their act together. Apple should also come up with their own standard which does things better. if that were the case, then maybe adobe would finally make flash GOOD on an apple.
 
That's like buying a laptop with integrated graphics and complaining because you just realized that you can't play Crysis on it.

The good news is you can sell your iPad for at least as much as it will cost you to buy a JooJoo.

Umm...no. Thats nothing like saying that....because in your example, the device would be incapable of playing Crysis due to the games requirements...never will it play Crysis. Its not because the manufacturer of the computer decided that they just don't want it to.

iPhones/iPads...they can do flash...theres nothing in the hardware preventing it. Its the developer preventing it and that's some crap.

I do not want a JooJoo.
 
Since this could be real and there's always the SLIGHT chance Adobe could win, let's get this out in the open now. I will not be buying any apps that have half-assed Flash-to-iPhone UIs. Adobe may win, but developers will lose.

Honestly, I've seen the cross-compilers in action and they take a pretty good Windows version of something and turn it into a horrible, Windows-looking port. No thanks.
 
If those producers had a contract with Ford and were bound in private contract with them? Sure they could.

If Heinz had a contract with McDonalds and were bound in private contract with them? Sure they could.

Yep. You guessed it. Same here. Apple has chosen a closed system. If you play their game, you play by their rules.

Is the Federal Reserve authorized to print fiat paper money with absolutely NO intrinsic value? Nope. But it does it anyway. Do most American's actually owe an income tax? Nope. But they pay it anyway.

It's crazy like that sometimes.

I agreed with you up until your "Is the" paragraph. Both your theories have been clearly debunked.
 
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