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Yes nothing says success quite like threatening your customer base with legal action in your quest for megabucks! lol

Others have taken a shot, I'll throw in: They are "threatening" no one. Actually READ the bloody note. They are saying that THIRD PARTIES may give you headaches (presumably due to unlicensed IP in the older versions) if you continue to use the older versions and here is a FREE upgrade path to avoid that.

No requests for money. No threats of action from Adobe. But by all means, please carry on.
 
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Uh, they've even messed up things like their auto-updater for the FREE versions of Acrobat Reader for Windows. For a long time, it would regularly get stuck and not complete pending updates or would leave remnants behind of older versions it upgraded, or would just blow up with errors trying to do updates. And we could talk about Flash too, but it speaks for itself .....

As long as I've been in I.T., I feel like I've had to help people out of jams caused by Adobe products and their failure to work properly. Sure, a LOT of people have done a LOT of great work using their software. But they leave a lot to be desired, for as much money as people pay out to them to use any of their commercial apps.

Even with the current Creative Cloud setup, I probably get a tech support ticket put in where I work at least once every 2 weeks or so, with someone having issues. Some of it COULD just be called user-error, except I blame Adobe for making the process too confusing for them. (EG. We give someone a license for Acrobat Pro. They download and install the software but it won't run properly. They don't realize they need to ALSO install the whole Creative Cloud manager application so it can verify they have a cloud-based license for it and properly activate it. Really, why SHOULD they think it needs that part? The app is just a waste of disk space and an annoying extra toolbar icon or window on the screen, listing all the other apps they're not licensed for and aren't using. It's also rather stupid Adobe doesn't automatically uninstall existing copies of Acrobat Reader if someone installs the full "Pro" version. Why would you want to keep the crippled edition of the same thing on your machine, especially when it's no longer going to be set as the default to open PDF files?)


I can't entirely agree with this. They've certainly messed up a few things (like CPU multithreading in After Effects to instead introduce GPU rendering, which would have been fine but it's been implemented only on a FRACTION of their Effects) but their prices are reasonable for access to their entire suite of software. This is unlike a truly horrible company like Autodesk where you might pay $180+/month for one main application and a couple of supporting apps (you can easily do without).
[doublepost=1557842824][/doublepost]Not sure I quite agree with this. Yes, it's true that software is always "licensed to you, and not sold" -- but that distinction is really supposed to be there to ensure you understand you didn't purchase the right to re-engineer or resell the software as though YOU wrote it yourself.

If the software was truly "for sale" - that would mean you could request the source code too.

Still? When you pay $X for a copy of a commercial program, it's understood that was you paying for the right to install it on a machine and use it for as long as you're able to hang onto the installation media. No company in their right mind would arbitrarily revoke your license, just because .... People with old, vintage PCs and Macs use a lot of ancient software on them because they're not capable of running the modern stuff. Why would Apple, for example, revoke all the AppleWorks licenses, just because they decided it's time you use newer software instead?


You do realize you have probably never “owned” software, right? You purchase and own a license to use software; a license that is almost always revocable by the company that sold it to you.

Subscription licensing doesn’t change the legal authority of the company to revoke the license or not.
 
Time for me to jump ship as well.
It was hard for me at first, having used Photoshop since 1.0 but CaptureOne 11/12 was finally enough to move me over. I use Affinity some but they still have some rough edges. I set up my old CS6 on a VM with Sierra but I find I don’t use it very much. That and VMWare + Sierra + CS6 doesn’t work great on a modern iMac. With more than 2 cores selected you’ll almost always get a fault.
 
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I find it hard to believe Dolby (or any other "3rd party") is going to start suing individual users who legally obtained a piece of Adobe software that, at the time, included features that are not included in the current version. Is there a legitimate copyright issue here? Possibly (I am not a lawyer so I can't say for sure). However, even IF there is a real legal issue, could Dolby or anyone else get a jury to award them damages from the average user on a legal technicality - I SERIOUSLY doubt it. Thankfully juries are not made up of lawyers, they consist of ordinary people who would (rightfully) get confused on what Joe photographer did wrong when he spent money to legally obtain access to a piece of software that he is now being sued for using.

I think the Adobe shakedown (uh, "warning") letter has 0% to do with protecting customers from 3rd party lawsuits and 100% to do with Adobe trying to intimidate customers into upgrading to the newest version of their products.
 
Problem is there aren't a lot of replacements for lightroom. And none as good. Capture One seems to be the closest but it's damn pricey.

Lots of replacements for photoshop though.
 
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Capture one is kind of steep at $300 (of course the Cannon and Nikon versions are higher :rolleyes:), is there any cheaper alternatives?
There are no Canon and Nikon versions of Capture One. There are a lot of cheaper options depending upon what you’re looking for. If you don’t care about cataloguing (as in you have your own scheme) then Capture NX-D is a good option from Nikon and totally free (based on SilkyPix). But there are many, many free and not-free options out there.
 
This is awful. If their software actually worked with out all the bugs, then sure, I can stay up-to-date, but I can't. I still use 2017 for a feature film because when I updated it to 2018 all the luts and some effects were wrong, and to spend the time fixing them, would be too much! This is not okay. I start a project in one version of software, I want to stay in that version until complete, and sometimes that could be a few years with a documentary. One more reason to hate them....
 
as a free alternative to Adobe Lightroom, had anyone used darktable? on linux I don't really have any other opportunity, but it ticks all the boxes for me

and yes, FU adobe

Thanks! I hadn't heard of darktable before. Already downloaded it to play with. The more viable alternatives to Adobe products the better. (For Photoshop users who want to flip; Pixelmator and Pixelmator Pro are pretty good, and good value IMHO).
 
Really Adobe? You're going to sue someone for using an older version? That's so creative.

"Unfortunately, customers who continue to use or deploy older, unauthorized versions of Creative Cloud may face potential claims of infringement by third parties. We cannot comment on claims of third-party infringement, as it concerns ongoing litigation."

And this is why Linux along with GIMP, Inkwell & Kdenlive are becoming more and more popular every day.
There is a legal process called "cease and desist" which announces a parties intent to sue. Confirm adherence and the problem disappears. I used to make belt buckles with company logos, only got one C&D and that was from Mercedes Benz we changed the design and kept on going. Rolls Royce wrote a complement ("good show")and ordered a whole bunch of buckles. Leica loved them also. No problem with Colt or any other copies of registered TMs.
 
There are no Canon and Nikon versions of Capture One. There are a lot of cheaper options depending upon what you’re looking for. If you don’t care about cataloguing (as in you have your own scheme) then Capture NX-D is a good option from Nikon and totally free (based on SilkyPix). But there are many, many free and not-free options out there.
You mean there are no Canon-only or Nikon-only versions.

I don't know which other good software allows you to import a Lightroom catalog and also catalogs itself.
 
A warning that older version are no longer supported is understandable. Legal action??? That sounds like an overly-zealous legal department.

No, it's actually appropriate for Adobe's legal department to warn you that another company might sue you. If you are open to legal liability, why wouldn't you want to know?
 
No, it's actually appropriate for Adobe's legal department to warn you that another company might sue you. If you are open to legal liability, why wouldn't you want to know?
It actually looks that they are passing THEIR liability onto their users.
 
Admittedly I haven't read all of the comments, but I am noticing a clear "f**k Adobe" sentiment among the commenters I've read so far.

Problem is, I can't really say Adobe is doing anything horribly wrong. Sure, subscription software sucks and not being able to stick with older versions sucks, but at the same time, Microsoft and even Apple do exactly the same thing, either directly or indirectly. That's an industry-wide problem, not an Adobe problem.

The issue seems to be that Adobe is being sued by a company whose software they utilized within the older CC apps. Adobe is basically saying "We can't trust the company who's screwing with us not to screw with all of you too, because basically everyone will jump for what appears to be a cash grab at the expense of other businesses if they find a way." Basically it's kind of like Adobe is saying "We're being f**ked with. You might get f**ked with too by the same people, since by using the older CC apps, you're using the software they're suing us over. Be warned, this company appears to be on the rampage." In some ways, I would say they're doing a good thing by warning their customers about this situation. Adobe never actually said they will actively try to prevent you from using older versions; just that you might potentially be opening yourself to litigation by the third party (not by Adobe).

Whether the entire thing is Adobe's fault is something that has to be determined by courts. If Adobe did in fact infringe copyright or whatever, then all of those users who the third party sues could turn around and sue Adobe.
 
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This is the last straw for Adobe. Affinity Designer and Photo are completely viable replacements for Illustrator and Photoshop. All that's needed is for Affinity Publisher to get out of beta and InDesign is replaceable. Granted, this is them "warning" us, but it comes down to Adobe not renewing licenses they used and are passing it on to the consumers.
 
Admittedly I haven't read all of the comments, but I am noticing a clear "f**k Adobe" sentiment among the commenters I've read so far.

Problem is, I can't really say Adobe is doing anything horribly wrong. Sure, subscription software sucks and not being able to stick with older versions sucks, but at the same time, Microsoft and even Apple do exactly the same thing, either directly or indirectly. That's an industry-wide problem, not an Adobe problem.

The issue seems to be that Adobe is being sued by a company whose software they utilized within the older CC apps. Adobe is basically saying "We can't trust the company who's screwing with us not to screw with all of you too, because basically everyone will jump for what appears to be a cash grab at the expense of other businesses if they find a way." Basically it's kind of like Adobe is saying "We're being f**ked with. You might get f**ked with too by the same people, since by using the older CC apps, you're using the software they're suing us over. Be warned, this company appears to be on the rampage." In some ways, I would say they're doing a good thing by warning their customers about this situation. Adobe never actually said they will actively try to prevent you from using older versions; just that you might potentially be opening yourself to litigation by the third party (not by Adobe).

Whether the entire thing is Adobe's fault is something that has to be determined by courts. If Adobe did in fact infringe copyright or whatever, then all of those users who the third party sues could turn around and sue Adobe.
Why should I trust Adobe that Dolby is evil and not themselves?
 
You mean there are no Canon-only or Nikon-only versions.

I don't know which other good software allows you to import a Lightroom catalog and also catalogs itself.
Yes, I thought that was understood in the context of my response to the quote.

C1 does a good job importing Lightroom catalogs but it also depends upon how your LR catalog is setup. I wouldn’t expect a great deal of compatibility between software packages for their cataloging system. But C1 did fine as I was using LR in such a manner that it was designed to be movable at a later time.
 
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