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1) this is getting old
2) Apple hyperbole was "courage". If you use such a strong word you better deliver, because in my dictionary "courage" is reserved for other kind of stuff.

Perhaps it's getting old too quickly because it applies too often.
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I don't think people need to paste this into forums everytime someone is upset something bad happened. People don't seem to me to be overly entitled. Apple announced something. People had expectations. Then were let down. If people were in here straight up whining, sure. But its totally reasonable to be disappointed in Apple and how things are going with airpods right now

People need not comment at all. Sharing opinions? What's that about?
 
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Other problems:
*No in-ear version
*No color options (space gray or black at least, silver and golds)
*No battery replacement scheme (à la Apple Watch)

I wonder what the delay is with the Beats X. They have a cable between the two buds, so this timing problem shouldn't be an issue.
 
Is not John Gruber just an Apple shill?

Perhaps. But he is one with lots of close ties to Apple, and if and when he does weigh in on an issue, I believe him more so than every other unsubstantiated, clickbait article criticizing Apple out there.
 
Is not John Gruber just an Apple shill?

Why would you say that?

Because he doesn't behave like many here who trash Apple in some manner on every single MacRumors story?

He does take Apple to task occasionally. But when he does, his arguments are sound and well-reasoned with depth, rather than the typical knee-jerk Apple is doomed, TC (and other execs) must go, Apple doesn't innovate, Apple is cheap/greedy, and other juvenile pablum you see here everyday.
 
Not at all. But you don't even have to take his word for it, at least a dozen tech journalists received pre-production AirPods and no one has reported problems with them staying in sync.
Following that logic, the Note 7 had no problems. I mean, dozens of tech journalists received those and none of them caught fire. Face it, we know the AirPods had/have an issue significant enough to delay product debut. What that issue is, none of us knows.
 
Following that logic, the Note 7 had no problems. I mean, dozens of tech journalists received those and none of them caught fire. Face it, we know the AirPods had/have an issue significant enough to delay product debut. What that issue is, none of us knows.
The problems probably stem from manufacturing at scale. It doesn't mean there's a design flaw, like there was with the Note 7.
 
Different people have different wants and needs. It sounds to me like you value convenience. I value quality, reliability and longevity.

I have never liked Bluetooth headsets because they're lower quality, not always reliable and do not last. I have some really good headphones that are over 8 years old and they're great. With something like the Airpods the batteries don't appear to be user replaceable and in my view the battery life is atrocious. These silly things will probably end up in some landfill in 2-3 years from now even though Lithium is hazardous waste.

There is room for both camps. People who value convenience can still get their products, but that doesn't have to be at the expense of other consumers.

I didn't upgrade my iPhone this year because they removed the jack and I doubt anyone picked up the 7 because it was removed.
Sounds like you value convenience too if you didn't pick up iPhone because of missing headphone jack. I'm not going to argue taste and opinion but the tech industry always moves to convenience first and then maybe adopts higher quality if it's possible. That's why audiophiles are still stuck on vinyl.
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Thinner and lighter. Some want that. I'm quite skeptical of your "most people do". Especially since the thinness and lightness changes are measured in millimeter and gram amounts that are minuscule and arguably inconsequential. You do like word "most" don't you? Do you only use it when it mirrors Apple's decisions? Apple likes thinner/lighter - most people do too. Apple removes headphone jack - most people don't use it. If Apple removes the screen will most people not need that as well?:rolleyes: Just busting your chops. But you could do with letting go of the "most" qualification.:)
I'm only quoting Apple's own reasoning. They study every single user they can and know the exact breakdown of people that use and even want wireless vs. wired. Tell me, do you really think Apple wouldn't have tried to keep a giant user base of wired headphone users from upgrading to iPhone 7 if they could? They crunched the numbers and realized they could lose all of those wired headphone users and not dent their profits. Besides, iPhone 7 sales are set break records from reports I've seen. Maybe I use the word "most" too liberally but I have my reasons.
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Great... so why should wired folks have to suffer if both can and have existed for years? Just leave it be and the discussion is over.
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So would
You be happy with a floppy drive and cd-r drive in your computer still? These things have to be removed by laws of consumer technology. Apple is just a little aggressive when it comes to change but that's what we love about them.
 
There are better 3rd party products that are ready to go for purchase and great qualities.
I'm guessing that's why there's this "stringing us along" feel to it.... they want to keep those who are on the fence between waiting up for these vs. buying other wireless head sets leaning towards the former. Hopefully they can continue to hold them in that direction. Oh, and hopefully Apple makes enough of them for enough in the former camp to get them soon, rather than waiting weeks more for the next batch.
 
Perhaps it's getting old too quickly because it applies too often.
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People need not comment at all. Sharing opinions? What's that about?
Sure! I'm not anti opinion. But if your opinion is simply "you're all entitled whiners. Shut up" then my opinion is your opinion sucks
 
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I'm guessing that's why there's this "stringing us along" feel to it.... they want to keep those who are on the fence between waiting up for these vs. buying other wireless head sets leaning towards the former. Hopefully they can continue to hold them in that direction. Oh, and hopefully Apple makes enough of them for enough in the former camp to get them soon, rather than waiting weeks more for the next batch.
Having 3rd party products is a good thing. While Apple decides to hold off till they get their products right, 3rd party people would make something to get them going rather than having them wait for another who know many months for Apple ear pods.
 
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i'm tired of waiting for them as well, but, i'd rather they take their time and get this right then rush them half-butt
 
The problems probably stem from manufacturing at scale. It doesn't mean there's a design flaw, like there was with the Note 7.
I wasn't questioning whether or not there was a design flaw, software issue, or anything else. I was questioning your reasoning that no reviewers having issues is an indication of something. It's not. Just like the reviewers of the Note 7 not having issues wasn't an indication of anything.
 
I'm only quoting Apple's own reasoning. They study every single user they can and know the exact breakdown of people that use and even want wireless vs. wired. Tell me, do you really think Apple wouldn't have tried to keep a giant user base of wired headphone users from upgrading to iPhone 7 if they could? They crunched the numbers and realized they could lose all of those wired headphone users and not dent their profits. Besides, iPhone 7 sales are set break records from reports I've seen. Maybe I use the word "most" too liberally but I have my reasons.
You're quoting Apple's reasoning? I'm confused. What reasoning are you referencing? Any links b/c I'd be interested in those demographics. Not sure what iPhone 7 sales have to do with anything, but okay. Brother you can use the word "most" as much as you like. Your prerogative. It' just makes it sound as if you're trying to represent obvious opinion as fact.
 
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Clever response.

There is no point in discussing this with you further. You simply don't understand.

Sound fair?
I completely understand. And I do deal with multiple parts manufactured all over the world and how those parts come together to create the whole. I also understand that, especially with silicone, a design can work great in small batches and then not work well at all in mass production. I also understand that, while you can do something 50 times perfectly and trouble free, then theres always that time where little problems rear their heads during assembly seemingly out of nowhere. Stuff happens. Sometimes its things that can not be predicted and that sucks. But I can tell you it's better to know and delay than to release and suffer the **** storm and a possible recall.

Is that what happened? I couldn't say. But I'll have to disagree with all the geniuses here in the forums who immediately chalk this up to apathy/ignorance/negligence. My whole point is that doing what Apple does on the scale that they do it is an incredible undertaking and sometimes things happen.
 
The real is that, Apple realised how stupid that design is and now having second thoughts about mass producing that joke of a design.
 
The problems probably stem from manufacturing at scale. It doesn't mean there's a design flaw, like there was with the Note 7.

On the contrary, this doesn't sound (no pun intended) anything like a manufacturing problem.

It feels more like independent stereo output buffers are being used, and they can get out of sync.

I'm only quoting Apple's own reasoning. They study every single user they can and know the exact breakdown of people that use and even want wireless vs. wired.

Got any backing for this? Thanks!

(From the insider books I've read, Apple is famous for NOT using consumer surveys ahead of time. Rather, they make a decision, implement it, THEN LATER do tests to see how people liked it.)
 
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