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I've yet to see any highly respected developer claim they can't accomplish something in iOS because the device lacks RAM. This coupled with the amazing experiences i enjoy across all my iOS devices tells me 1 gig is more than enough.

So, you feel that if developers were given double the amount of RAM to work with, they could not think of any use for it, could not think of new things they have never bothered to try before, they would simply not use it?

That's like saying my Atari VCS 2600 has 4K of ram in it's games cartridge, and all the games written by the devs who know they only have 4K to work with, run just fine in the 4K.

Well of course they do! Duh!

However, if Atari said, here is 8K to work with, then they could develop new things they they knew they could not do before. Then when everyone is running 8K games, you can look back and think. Wow, remember how limited we were with what we could do when we had to work within the constraints of 4K

Of course, if they are never offered the 8K (as Atari are to mean and want max profits) they will never find out.

(Analogy of the past) :)

Of course lack of RAM constrains what you can do.
 
I only have a good 1GB spare disk usage on my 5S, which is 16GB total. I keep the maximum tabs open, and really don't see any issues at all in terms of latency or reload times. Are you telling me something that I don't know?

First - you seem to be confused between RAM and storage. No one here is talking about storage. Storage would only come into it if the OS used virtual memory, which iOS does not do.

Second - open Safari and create four tabs. With each open tab go to one of engadget, theverge, gizmodo and macrumors. Now - when you tab between these four tabs are you seeing reloads? Yes? That is the issue.
 
how so lmao? this beats anything currently on the market, performance wise, look at those single core scores, the 5S already crushed the competition with single core score and this brings it up even more. Most Android apps dont use all 4 cores well at all or efficiently still so iPhone's choice to go with stronger single core performance is a huge leap and a big lead over Android

You're paying for a device with a huge price tag and that's the best Apple can do for you? Why not pay for a 2.0 GHz and 2 GB of RAM iPhone at least? At some point, Apple fans need to lay off the kool aid and realize that they're being fleeced for high prices. I wouldn't pay more than $450 for the iPhone 6. What's the point of "optimized" 1 GB of RAM with a 1.4 GHz processor and not many extra tidbits are thrown in to make the phone practical? Specs don't mean much since they are just statistics. As a consumer, I like iOS on my iPad a lot. Best user experience on a tablet. On a phone? Different story.
 
So, you feel that if developers were given double the amount of RAM to work with, they could not think of any use for it, could not think of new things they have never bothered to try before, they would simply not use it?

That's like saying my Atari VCS 2600 has 4K of ram in it's games cartridge, and all the games written by the devs who know they only have 4K to work with, run just fine in the 4K.

Well of course they do! Duh!

However, if Atari said, here is 8K to work with, then they could develop new things they they knew they could not do before. Then when everyone is running 8K games, you can look back and think. Wow, remember how limited we were with what we could do when we had to work within the constraints of 4K

Of course, if they are never offered the 8K (as Atari are to mean and want max profits) they will never find out.

(Analogy of the past) :)

Of course lack of RAM constrains what you can do.

There isn't anything developers are going to come up with that needs more than 1GB. This is a phone, not a datacenter.

Absolutely NO developers are complaining about this limit.

Just get yourself ready for 1GB for the next 10 years. This is the upper limit of the use model in a phone, like how CPU speeds have stayed constant for the last 10 years, save for power reductions.

You're living too much in theory, not practice.

Remember, the goal of a smartphone is to do less, not to do more, because of power concerns. You leave the heavy compute to the desktop.
 
First - you seem to be confused between RAM and storage. No one here is talking about storage. Storage would only come into it if the OS used virtual memory, which iOS does not do.

Second - open Safari and create four tabs. With each open tab go to one of engadget, theverge, gizmodo and macrumors. Now - when you tab between these four tabs are you seeing reloads? Yes? That is the issue.

A large portion of that is put into cache, which is counted as virtual memory. The load times are fairly quick. I don't really see this as an issue - and keep in mind that those websites are fairly intense on the end-user devices. I would assume (as i've not tested) that trying on a windows/android/BB phone would yield similar results.

Agreed only because it's not like the iPhones does anything remotely advanced compared to other flagship handsets.

I hope that does change with the 5.5" iPad nano though

well within reason, you know? i think it's perfectly functional, as outlined above ^
 
There isn't anything developers are going to come up with that needs more than 1GB. This is a phone, not a datacenter.

Absolutely NO developers are complaining about this limit.

Just get yourself ready for 1GB for the next 10 years. This is the upper limit of the use model in a phone, like how CPU speeds have stayed constant for the last 10 years, save for power reductions.

You're living too much in theory, not practice.

Remember, the goal of a smartphone is to do less, not to do more, because of power concerns. You leave the heavy compute to the desktop.

Bookmark this comment for the most laughable comment of the decade.

I hope you were being sarcastic. If not, I am really worried about your well being.
 
well within reason, you know? i think it's perfectly functional, as outlined above ^

I agree. I don't get page reloads on the Note 2 or SGS3/4/5 (wife's phones) but I hardly notice or care. Even with the screen size of the Note 2 or with the Note 2 connected to a larger screen I don't flip through multiple tabs very quickly.

Neither my iPhones (4s and 5) nor Android flagships lag, not at all. Both are VERY quick, even under heavy load. The Note 2 being the beast of the bunch, able to run multiple apps and a floating window via an HDMI monitor with BT keyboard and mouse . . . . not one ounce of lag.

However, not that many people are EVER going to do such things with their phones.

Now, the 1GB of RAM . . . . we'll see if that even matters given Apple's tenacity to make things run flawlessly with the least amount of hardware.
 
A large portion of that is put into cache, which is counted as virtual memory. The load times are fairly quick.
^

Two points:

a) reload speed will vary due to connection, at its worst - in a blackspot, it will fail to reload.
b) reloading consumes bandwidth which costs $

that trying on a windows/android/BB phone would yield similar results.
^

It entirely depends on how much memory is available to the device. Use a low-end android device and you'll see reloads. Use a Note 3 with 3GB memory and it will not reload (with these four tabs)
 
There isn't anything developers are going to come up with that needs more than 1GB. This is a phone, not a datacenter.

Absolutely NO developers are complaining about this limit.

Just get yourself ready for 1GB for the next 10 years. This is the upper limit of the use model in a phone, like how CPU speeds have stayed constant for the last 10 years, save for power reductions.

You're living too much in theory, not practice.

Remember, the goal of a smartphone is to do less, not to do more, because of power concerns. You leave the heavy compute to the desktop.

I don't know how any part of this has logic... It's like saying "the speed limit on the highway is 70mph, there for we should never make a car that can go faster than that" making a car the runs at 120, enables technology to make that car or other cars to run better at 70.

if we have 2 gigs, that means all those apps that are designed to run on 1 gig will now run better because of more resources and better multitasking opportunities.
 
I agree. I don't get page reloads on the Note 2 or SGS3/4/5 (wife's phones) but I hardly notice or care. Even with the screen size of the Note 2 or with the Note 2 connected to a larger screen I don't flip through multiple tabs very quickly.

Neither my iPhones (4s and 5) nor Android flagships lag, not at all. Both are VERY quick, even under heavy load. The Note 2 being the beast of the bunch, able to run multiple apps and a floating window via an HDMI monitor with BT keyboard and mouse . . . . not one ounce of lag.

However, not that many people are EVER going to do such things with their phones.

Now, the 1GB of RAM . . . . we'll see if that even matters given Apple's tenacity to make things run flawlessly with the least amount of hardware.

I don't think that the hardware is lacking. For the use case you outlined, PERHAPS 1GB is a little low (though what you described seems to be more GPU based, etc) - but at the same time, I believe that iOS7 and 8 are pretty optimised and accounted for.

I think pages reloading isn't so bad, if you're in the middle of a booking/etc then it would be, but i have never had that happen before....
 
There isn't anything developers are going to come up with that needs more than 1GB. This is a phone, not a datacenter.

Absolutely NO developers are complaining about this limit.

Just get yourself ready for 1GB for the next 10 years. This is the upper limit of the use model in a phone, like how CPU speeds have stayed constant for the last 10 years, save for power reductions.

You're living too much in theory, not practice.

Remember, the goal of a smartphone is to do less, not to do more, because of power concerns. You leave the heavy compute to the desktop.

Just one thing, and one question:

Firstly, I feel you need to rephrase the statement:

"Just get yourself ready for 1GB for the next 10 years. This is the upper limit of the use model in a phone"

As you are stating for the world to read that only Apple and iOS will keep a 1GB limit for the next 10 years, whereas many other brands and models have passed this long ago.

Secondly, as you are stating a phone, and I shall take it, you mean any iOS phone, does not need more than 1GB.
How do you feel about a Tablet like the iPad.
As that is running iOS also, basically just a magnified version of the phones UI. Nothing really different. Do you feel that also only needs 1GB ?

Thanks
 
ugh my computer science and android friends will **** me to death making fun of the 1GB ram for months to come lol

I think anyone who walks into the computer science lounge in Soda Hall with an iPad will be harassed on sight here no matter how much RAM it has. PCs (including Macs) only. Linux or Mac greatly preferred, but I don't know why they don't like FreeBSD, considering their school spirit.
 
It's incredibly funny how much people worry about the specs of their phones.

Well that's why people are going to buy the iPhone6

They would still buy it, if it looked the same as the iPhone5s as it would have better specs.
 
Just one thing, and one question:

Firstly, I feel you need to rephrase the statement:

"Just get yourself ready for 1GB for the next 10 years. This is the upper limit of the use model in a phone"

As you are stating for the world to read that only Apple and iOS will keep a 1GB limit for the next 10 years, whereas many other brands and models have passed this long ago.

Secondly, as you are stating a phone, and I shall take it, you mean any iOS phone, does not need more than 1GB.
How do you feel about a Tablet like the iPad.
As that is running iOS also, basically just a magnified version of the phones UI. Nothing really different. Do you feel that also only needs 1GB ?

Thanks

It does no good to argue with the insane, you should be ashamed. :D
 
So this phone is basically just another BS incremental upgrade with a bigger screen?
Not sure why this is a shock to anyone. No one actually believed it would have anything "revolutionary" in it, did they? It's an upsized 5s with a new chip that is almost the same as the old chip.
 
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