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If you have a math degree, then you realize that the two events can be exclusive of each other (the number of cases actually being 10X higher and the death rate).

In the post mortem, they now test all deceased for Covid-19 so the mortality of Covid-19 is pretty much known. Before May when they weren't testing the deceased for Covid-19, the number of deaths due to Covid-19 were definitely under reported.

As far as people catching Covid-19, testing is usually only done on those exhibiting symptoms. That's why they surmise that the infection rate is probably 10X higher.
I’d suggest don’t giving master degree too much credit. People graduate from master degree all the time and they still can’t do d*** in real jobs, or understand common sense, or have basic sympathy.
 
Shutdowns work, more shutdowns are needed because after the shutdowns people run out in masses and ignore distancing and mask rules, so the number of infections are rising again, which in turn asks for another shutdown. If people would just sit through a shutdown and then follow basic rules thereafter, this wouldn't be an issue at all and this thread would not exist. You have to thank the people who refuse to wear masks and not keep their distance from others for all of this.
They can’t and/or won’t, so say it with me! Shutdowns don’t work.

Guess what? It doesn’t matter the reason they don’t work.
 
99.5% survival rate is assuming you have full medical care. If hospitals are overrun, then good luck fending for yourself when there aren't any beds available, nor staff won't to be able to take care of you. And yes, some staff have quit. They're overwhelmed, having symptoms of PTSD, and it doesn't help folks like you are telling other people that "this isn't a big deal". When someone says drinking and driving or texting and driving is bad, that doesn't mean never drive again. It means take precautions, and for this case, to do something as simple as wearing a mask!

Even those who don't die may sustain permanent injuries. You may even get hit with medical bills in the 5-figures.
Also, all the things about divorce, drug use, etc. are symptoms. The causes of them need to be addressed.
Magically, he doesn’t need to suffer any of them apparently based on his comments. At least thats what I feel, and could potentially explain why he says 99.5% survival rate.

Your comments reminds me of Wilber Ross who is on TV holding a coffee can while defending Republican’s decision to remove funding for food banks and dismantle healthcare. Because why? Because he and some top officials are billionaire.

I used to think maybe a full reset of the entire world could solve the problem. Now I realise it is not the solution, as human will behave exactly like now after a reset, repeating all mistakes we have made. It’s ridiculous.
 
I’d suggest don’t giving master degree too much credit. People graduate from master degree all the time and they still can’t do d*** in real jobs, or understand common sense, or have basic sympathy.
I manage a finance team at one of the largest organizations in the world. People like me are everywhere and I work with them every day. We have perspective and know life must continue, regardless of the many challenges we face each day. Covid is one of those challenges we must learn to live with and do our best to prevent, treat, and eliminate. We are closer to that goal today than yesterday and the day before that.

The future is bright if you continue.

If you give up and hide inside, you’re doing damage completely unrelated to a respiratory virus with almost certain survival for 99.8% of the population. Trust me, there are worse things.

We operate on “acceptable” deaths for many things every day. If we didn’t do greatest food for greatest number and our ONLY goal was saving every life, progress would utterly stop.
 
They can’t and/or won’t, so say it with me! Shutdowns don’t work.

Guess what? It doesn’t matter the reason they don’t work.
Sure, maybe we have other alternatives, including managing world populations to a more sustainable level.
 
Sure, maybe we have other alternatives, including managing world populations to a more sustainable level.
Actually there’s more than 1 way to calculate death rates, and mine is one of them. Death-to-case ratio. Derp.

the others are:

Crude death rate
Cause-specific death rate
Proportionate mortality
Age-specific
Infant mortality
Maternal mortality
Post-neonatal mortality

... but those are calculated as X in 1000. Or X in 100,000.
😂...the only death rate that matters in this discussion is the real death rate from covid, to which there is one answer. We don’t have a clue of total cases and have a much better sense of total deaths, so we only know death rate is too high.
 
I manage a finance team at one of the largest organizations in the world. People like me are everywhere and I work with them every day. We have perspective and know life must continue, regardless of the many challenges we face each day. Covid is one of those challenges we must learn to live with and do our best to prevent, treat, and eliminate. We are closer to that goal today than yesterday and the day before that.

The future is bright if you continue.

If you give up and hide inside, you’re doing damage completely unrelated to a respiratory virus with almost certain survival for 99.8% of the population. Trust me, there are worse things.

We operate on “acceptable” deaths for many things every day. If we didn’t do greatest food for greatest number and our ONLY goal was saving every life, progress would utterly stop.
Yes, and you know many people are doing right now to cope with this? Wearing masks wherever they can to limit the transmission of the virus as much as possible. People are learning to live with the virus until at least the vaccine is out. I don’t know where your 99.8% number comes from, but say what you want.

Accepting death happens when we can at least have measures to defend ourselves to an extent. We don’t lock down for flu because we have flu shots to help controlling the spread, and the virus, despite mutating fast, does not transmit much compared to COVID. We have NO DEFENCE against COVID right now. NONE. No vaccine, treatment development is still underway, and the virus is highly contagious. You can choose to believe or not, but there have been reports here and there from people trying to recover from COVID infection. Some takes a few days, others take months or just can’t make it. I would like to know if someone is courageous enough (yes, need tremendous courage) to simulate a scenario when everyone gets infected, the impact to the survivability, the economy, and the world in general.

Lockdown is bad, but what better response can we have against a virus that we have NO DEFENCE? Not all politicians in the world just want to see their people dying all the time.

But still, feel free to ignore all of this. I frankly don’t care much.
 
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The world functions by taking death in stride. Those close to the person who died are grieving and those close to them - that's it. We don't amp of death to make people live in fear for anything else. I'm sorry you can't remember how you lived prior to March 2020, but you never focused on any other causes of death - including those with millions year after year - in the way that you are focusing on this.
The USA doesn’t make people live in fear and amp up death?

after 9-11 the USA invaded several countries and the result was over 800,000 dead in Afghanistan and Iraq.

now the USA is experiencing 9-11 levels of death EVERY DAY. And the response from the President? “Perhaps we can implement martial law and rerun the election?”
 
Fact Check:
  1. Trump did not mandate masks on a national level because:
    1. Early medical advisors (Fauci) were super inconsistent, so it's hard to make an enforce mass policy, when the experts can't even agree. Even now, data shows that masks make only a marginal difference, assuming they're always worn properly, never touched/adjusted, washed, etc.
    2. The President doesn't have the power to mandate masks on a national level. Even if he did, because of #1 above, people still wouldn't have followed it, as they do now.
  2. He does care about about people and has done plenty to prove it, and I'm sure if you have the gumption to look it up, you'd see plenty of examples. I think to say that any president only cares about himself is a major overstatement.
  3. I agree that the pandemic cost him the election, only because it gave the media the perfect storm of stuff to pin on him whether it was his fault or not... They had:
    1. An economic recession which would be expected in a pandemic regardless of who was president.
    2. People everywhere afraid of the virus, losing their jobs, conspiracies, political power grabs, etc.
    3. Limited information at first (1.1 above) and now with more statistics available, literally half the country wanting him to do one thing and the other half wanting him to do another.
    4. (Most importantly) nearly complete control of information dissemination. It's easy to control the narrative, when you control mainstream, traditional media and social media outlets.
      1. EXAMPLE: All this Hunter Biden stuff would've been super helpful before the election, but that would've probably caused the same firestorm that probably contributed to Hillary losing the election 4 years ago. They wouldn't risk doing that again. Now that Biden is "safe," that story is now safe to run.
Numerous leaders around the world have seen their popularity increase during COVID. All they needed to do was respond in a competent manner.
Trumps response has been incompetent.
for 8 weeks after closing the borders the USA had no test for COVID because Trump ruled out using the WHO backed test and wanted to develop an American test. That 8 weeks allowed COVID to spread undetected around the country.
pure incompetence.
 
I find the people thinking it's feasible to stay locked down ridiculous. I'm a recent suicide survivor. If you can look down upon us poor peasants who need our businesses open to survive, then you can stay indoors. Health isn't just about the virus. Scaring and financially destroying people to the point they kill themselves, OD on drugs, drink to death, avoid going to the hospital/doctor for critical care, etc is unacceptable.

Yes, the virus is real.

No, the cure should never be worse than the disease.
 
99.8%...

okay, let's ruin the entire world economy, but keep getting paid in full without worry

-politicians

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We don’t exist in a vacuum bro. Repeated lockdowns just means they didn’t work.
So we lay down the terrible defence against a virus we cannot treat, cannot establish immunity, and frankly unable to control. Seems about right.
 
Sure, maybe we have other alternatives, including managing world populations to a more sustainable level.

😂...the only death rate that matters in this discussion is the real death rate from covid, to which there is one answer. We don’t have a clue of total cases and have a much better sense of total deaths, so we only know death rate is too high.

Right... the number which I gave. The death-to-case ratio. Calculated from the only official numbers available. It will adjust over time. Today it stands at 1.8%, which is actually too low.
 
I’m on memorial #9 here, and I live about as far from a city as you can get in this rural state, in an area full of people still ignoring it after 8 straight months of constant coverage. The bars are packed every weekend, no precautions taken, bc... I just gave these people two paragraphs of the benefit of the doubt, but reading them back, realized I just don’t care about them or their bs anymore, and deleted them.

As it continues to pick up pace ravaging its way through the countryside, christmas & new years gatherings are also coinciding with having run out of doctors and hospital beds. In largely uninsured populations. We can expect to see these people putting a pretty good dent in their numbers again by mid Jan.
That was fast. Faster than I could even hear about. An entire side of my family now has it. They didn’t need to wear masks or distance bc they didn’t know anyone it affected either, and of course the lord protects them from such things anyway. So it turns out they had themselves an early Christmas party 3 days ago. Everyone that’s taken a rapid test confirms, 37 more infected, incl 8 over 70yo. Idiots.
 
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That was fast. Faster than I could even hear about. An entire side of my family now has it. They didn’t need to wear masks or distance bc they didn’t know anyone it affected either, and of course the lord protects them from such things anyway. So it turns out they had themselves an early Christmas party 3 days ago. Everyone that’s taken a rapid test confirms, 37 more infected, incl 8 over 70yo. Idiots.
How many people were at the party ?
 
I agree that this is a wise move for Apple. Be safe. Wear a seatbelt. Don’t speed. Don’t text and drive. Wear a mask. Keep your distance. Now is a good time to spend more time at home and play on your iPad.
 
I agree that this is a wise move for Apple. Be safe. Wear a seatbelt. Don’t speed. Don’t text and drive. Wear a mask. Keep your distance. Now is a good time to spend more time at home and play on your iPad.
What if you iPad or Mac is your main tool for income and stops working correctly? How about a “Genius” Bar appointment? Can’t play in your iPad if it isn't working properly.
 
The problem with that number is, it doesn't work this year. How many of these total deaths are work accidents? How many from car accidents, etc.? When people are staying at home, you have to subtract these types of deaths, because they can't happen this year when people are isolated at home. So naturally, the total number of deaths would be lower this year which you have to take into the equation.
They actually track those types of deaths. So while deaths or accidents at work may be down, it will still be interesting to see how the deaths compare with other categories like:
All cancers
Alzheimer’s
Diabetes
Coronary Heart Disease
Stroke
Influenza / Pneumonia
Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease
Deaths due to accidents
Liver Disease
Motor Vehicle
Suicide
Drug Induced Deaths
Covid-19
 
so you think we should start practicing eugenics ?
China did this, poorly, for centuries. For other countries idk. But pre-pregnant check is some basic form of eugenics so we don’t end up giving birth to babies with physical problems.
 
On December 16, the US reported 3,448 COVID-19 deaths — the most of any day of the pandemic so far.

That was more than the 2,977 people killed on 9/11. It's more than the 2,390 Americans killed in the attack on Pearl Harbor and more than the 2,500 US troops killed on D-Day.

In fact, more American deaths from a single catastrophe were reported on December 16 than on any other day in the past 100 years.

Of the 20 days with the most death from a catastrophic event in the past century, 17 have occurred this year. Twelve of those days have happened in December.
But why are studies showing this


Or this


Studies are starting to find out the masks act as fomites

I really wish they would more importantly tell people to take there daily dose of D3, Zinc, and 1500 to 2000mg of vitamin C (spread the vitamin C out throughout the day).
 
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