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trainwrecka said:
The world functions by taking death in stride. Those close to the person who died are grieving and those close to them - that's it. We don't amp of death to make people live in fear for anything else. I'm sorry you can't remember how you lived prior to March 2020, but you never focused on any other causes of death - including those with millions year after year - in the way that you are focusing on this.
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Actually, yes we do, you just don’t realize it. In case you haven’t noticed, these deaths carry an economic toll. Like a terrible car accident, a death resulting from one costs the locality it occurred in 10s of thousands of dollars to respond to. Police, ambulance, hospital... the salary of the victim should there be a fatality... that’s just the impact from the involved cars. Further impact is done economically to lost time for anyone stuck in traffic behind that wreck... and it can add up to millions of lost productivity.

so yeah, to avoid this massive economic loss, we have laws that govern how to drive, the speed, the direction, signs, electronic signals, etc. All because we’re focused on a single cause of death. Sadly, we didn’t have, and still don’t have, that kind of action here... and the economy shows it.
 
BuffaloTF said:
Actually, yes we do, you just don’t realize it. In case you haven’t noticed, these deaths carry an economic toll. Like a terrible car accident, a death resulting from one costs the locality it occurred in 10s of thousands of dollars to respond to. Police, ambulance, hospital... the salary of the victim should there be a fatality... that’s just the impact from the involved cars. Further impact is done economically to lost time for anyone stuck in traffic behind that wreck... and it can add up to millions of lost productivity.

so yeah, to avoid this massive economic loss, we have laws that govern how to drive, the speed, the direction, signs, electronic signals, etc. All because we’re focused on a single cause of death. Sadly, we didn’t have, and still don’t have, that kind of action here... and the economy shows it.
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So never forcing people to stop driving is the same as forcing people to stop going out. Got it.
 
BuffaloTF said:
Actually, yes we do, you just don’t realize it. In case you haven’t noticed, these deaths carry an economic toll. Like a terrible car accident, a death resulting from one costs the locality it occurred in 10s of thousands of dollars to respond to. Police, ambulance, hospital... the salary of the victim should there be a fatality... that’s just the impact from the involved cars. Further impact is done economically to lost time for anyone stuck in traffic behind that wreck... and it can add up to millions of lost productivity.

so yeah, to avoid this massive economic loss, we have laws that govern how to drive, the speed, the direction, signs, electronic signals, etc. All because we’re focused on a single cause of death. Sadly, we didn’t have, and still don’t have, that kind of action here... and the economy shows it.
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Yeah I don’t think the death rate would have had an impact on the economy.

At least, my coffee shop near me wouldn’t have shut down (because people died from car accidents), gyms would still be open, night life would be raging. People already don’t follow traffic laws and drink and drive. Yet we still are spinning.
 
I7guy said:
Respect is given, never taken. Seems Fauci has plenty of it. He may have backtracked, but has anybody gotten it right and look at who he was working with.

With respect to the meme about the game (it’s become a meme at this point) I don’t think the complete backstory is known, so it’s not possible to judge him from an out of context photograph.
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Fair. I still stand behind my statement about him being a HORRIBLE pitcher. LOL. See that video? That’s can’t be taken out of context at all. 😂
 
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Amacfa said:
Yeah I don’t think the death rate would have had an impact on the economy.

At least, my coffee shop near me wouldn’t have shut down (because people died from car accidents), gyms would still be open, night life would be raging. People already don’t follow traffic laws and drink and drive. Yet we still are spinning.
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Uhhh. So you’re saying I’m wrong in paragraph 1... but admitting that I’m right in paragraph 2 and providing examples of how I’m right when applying the logic to covid?

Cool, so we’re ultimately in agreement that preventable deaths have an impact on the economy.
 
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trainwrecka said:
I know people - including my own family - that have died from all sorts of things in 2020. The one with a 99.98% survival rate though - WITHOUT A VACCINE - is why we have to close everything. What a joke.
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Again with the fallacy of 99.98% death rate? Ok, let's take your mental gymnastics as truth. Let's say that's correct. That death rate you're claiming was with the COUNTRY SHUT DOWN. If the country was shut down because of the flu, deaths from the flu would be in the hundreds.

The rate that reality eludes some people is downright frightening. And these people are allowed fo vote.
 
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PlainviewUVGF said:
Absolute nonsense. This may be the most idiotic claim in this thread.
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I'm waiting for video evidence. I'd really like to see it. Must be something like this, but trying to put on a mask...
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trainwrecka said:
You do realize you can take a sampling of people and multiply it out?
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Yes, I do. I have a pretty good grasp on statistics as a science, having been educated in it. In fact, I alluded to doing just that with this post (feel free to look back for context):
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I don’t think I said it needs to be.
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In any case, I’m not sure if you understand how this works. If you take a sample and multiply it out for a case fatality ratio for the entire population, you have to multiply both the numerator (deaths) and the denominator (cases) to reach the entire population.

The only way to arrive at a CFR on the 0.1% order of magnitude now is to leave the numerator alone (that is, the current known death toll) and change the denominator to the entire population. That number is virtually statistically meaningless — because not everyone has been infected yet — and will necessarily decrease as people continue to become infected and, in some cases, die.

In fact, the people asinine enough to claim that COVID-19 has a >99.95% “survival rate” keep dropping their number as the death toll increases. It used to be 99.98%. Now it’s supposedly 99.95% according to these folks. Of course, we can do a little math here and find that with ~325,000 COVID-19 fatalities and a population of 331 million, the U.S.’s “survival rate” has already dropped to about 99.90%. And it’ll keep dropping, too.
 
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BuffaloTF said:
Uhhh. So you’re saying I’m wrong in paragraph 1... but admitting that I’m right in paragraph 2 and providing examples of how I’m right when applying the logic to covid?

Cool, so we’re ultimately in agreement that preventable deaths have an impact on the economy.
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Not what I said. Weird flex but ok
 
Amacfa said:
time.com

Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu Patients Are Treating Them in Tents

Across the country, medical centers are taking extraordinary measures.
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Hospitals were full in 2018 from the regular flu that people were treated in tents, stop buying into fear.

Remind me, what were the total deaths from all causes in 2020 compared to 2019 and 2018....?
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During a normal flu season less than 60,000 people die.

We're getting 3,000 people dying a day.

Funny how people say how patriotic they are, but don't even want to wear a mask to protect other people. Much less care about the 310,000+ who have died.
 
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Complex757 said:
During a normal flu season less than 60,000 people die.

We're getting 3,000 people dying a day.

Funny how people say how patriotic they are, but don't even want to wear a mask to protect other people. Much less care about the 310,000+ who have died.
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What’s the daily death rate of all causes of death?

How does that compare to 2019, 2018, 2017? (Which have typically been around 7000-8000.

I am assuming, we’d be over 10k daily death rate, yes?


I can’t find any data on total death rate of all causes in 2020. It’s as if it’s censored or something
 
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Plutonius said:
I'm pretty sure the graph you showed was not of Covid-19 deaths.

For people under the age of 25, the CDC reports that there have been a total of 553 deaths from 2/1/2020 to 12/12/2020.

For people under the age of 45, the CDC reports that there have been a total of 7623 deaths from 2/1/2020 to 12/12/2020.
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the data I shared is total deaths irrespective of cause. No arguing over the reason, just counting bodies. We’re well above the previous four years and many left to report.
 
Amacfa said:
What’s the daily death rate of all causes of death?

How does that compare to 2019, 2018, 2017? (Which have typically been around 7000-8000.

I am assuming, we’d be over 10k daily death rate, yes?


I can’t find any data on total death rate of all causes in 2020. It’s as if it’s censored or something
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That’s because 2020’s not over yet, chief. Even then, it’ll take several weeks for reporting of deaths in 2020 to settle down.
 
Amacfa said:
Not what I said. Weird flex but ok
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You might want to re-examine what you think you said then.

I outlined the ways a car accident has an economic cost at a local level and the measures we take to prevent that from getting out of control. You outlined ways not taking covid seriously has had an economic cost... now if we only focused on it like we do car accidents maybe it would be just as mundane.

so yes, thanks for agreeing with me.
 
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Amacfa said:
What’s the daily death rate of all causes of death?

How does that compare to 2019, 2018, 2017? (Which have typically been around 7000-8000.

I am assuming, we’d be over 10k daily death rate, yes?


I can’t find any data on total death rate of all causes in 2020. It’s as if it’s censored or something
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What in the world are you talking about?

You brought up the flu. Routinely 50 to 60,000 die yearly from the seasonal flu.

320,000 after today will have died from Covid19. There's a reason that comparison has stopped being used, because it's a poor comparison, you might have missed that.

And so your logic is. We shouldn't care about, try to prevent or cure cancer, because people die of other stuff. WTF????
 
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Amacfa said:
It appears I found some (incomplete data). These are deaths by the week. But even the highest death date came out to the average daily death rate. I’m open ears of anyone finds any more data for DAILY DEATH RATE (ALL CAUSES) in 2020. Source: https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04/16/total-u-s-death-rate-is-still-below-average-cdc/View attachment 1698742
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I linked the current version of the same report. Every one of those weeks including and after February 22 now has >100% of the expected deaths for the week.

Death reporting is difficult and takes a long time, as @BuffaloTF pointed out with 2018 being the most recent finalized year of daily death tolls. This data we’re talking about takes significant effort to obtain and maintain, and it should be used with extreme caution. If 40% of the expected deaths for the week ended April 11 — as shown in your screenshot — doesn’t raise an eyebrow for you, I can’t help you.
 
Amacfa said:
What’s the daily death rate of all causes of death?

How does that compare to 2019, 2018, 2017? (Which have typically been around 7000-8000.

I am assuming, we’d be over 10k daily death rate, yes?


I can’t find any data on total death rate of all causes in 2020. It’s as if it’s censored or something
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So you're asking for the total daily death rate, for all causes, for a year that is still going on? And you think the daily death rate for a year that is still going on is being hidden because of some conspiracy? Did I get that right?
 
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