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I would also like a choice if I want or do not want that creepy isight :shivers:

Me too. I used it once to take a pic of myself for an avatar. Never used it again. For me, a completely useless feature on a MBP, kind of like the multi-touch trackpad. Apparently though, Adobe has somehow integrated multi-touch into Photoshop CS4, so I hear. Might be nothing more than a rumor. Still, it just seems like a novelty that isn't very practical - I'd certainly never use it.
 
Ive never had problems like what you describe. I cant hear my mbp at all and it gets warm, but no warmer then any other laptop. Sounds like you had a bad one.

Try playing some games on it. Mine would be unbearable to hold after gaming.
 
I agree, but the blind posters here need to post some links to these machines that are half the price of the Macbooks with the same specs. I have seen $500 less, but not $700 or even $1000 less.

Agreed. Half is a stretch. Several hundred, a few hundred, less, sure, but not half.
 
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sorry, i should clarify. the *look* of the pro is going to look more like the iphone. a smooth front like the iphone. and with a black keyboard like the Air.

the monitors will have the look of the 3G, too. smooth curves.

this image looks a lot like what i described a couple weeks ago.
 
I agree, but the blind posters here need to post some links to these machines that are half the price of the Macbooks with the same specs. I have seen $500 less, but not $700 or even $1000 less.

Did you miss my post linking to the HP that was $1300 less than the 17" MBP with sightly better specs?
 
I have never really used firewire, but thinking about it to connect my external harddrive

I use firewire to connect,my audio recorder (it then becomes an external HDD and CF-card reader/CF-stick), for my "Extreme" CF reader, and for use with an external scratch disk and back-up disks, not to mention an audio interface. Not all at the same time, though, ha ha!
I also use USB, though – mostly for my DAP and a 3G USB-stick.
In my Expresscard slot I have an sdhc-card reader.

Me too. I used it once to take a pic of myself for an avatar. Never used it again. For me, a completely useless feature on a MBP, kind of like the multi-touch trackpad.

Same here, and to make matters worse, they had to make a taller "forehead" to add this consumer crappola. Utterly unnecessary.
 
As a follow up to my post yesterday about ingram micro, per my friend who was up there for deliveries, he saw that they got about 100 skids of apple laptops today, about 54 or so laptops per skid.

No particulars, he's not involved in that process but this is what he saw. No one talks about the stuff, I'm sure due to apple's policies. Also he heard that the staff at IM is to work tomorrow (saturday) which is not normal for deliveries.

Just fyi.
 
Same here, and to make matters worse, they had to make a taller "forehead" to add this consumer crappola. Utterly unnecessary.

Funny that you mention the "forehead" - I thought that was the ugliest thing about the MBP when it first came out. It looked like they shoved it in there with absolutely no forethought. They reduced the forehead a bit on the latest revision though, the one I have. It looks a bit more even. Still, i miss the nice thin screen bezel on my old TiBook. Strange how an older computer had a less bulky appearance than a new one, from a company that likes to tout its "thinner" computers all the time :)
 
Whatever newbie reposted that should be ashamed of himself. :p That image was created long before the current round of rumors, and if memory serves correctly it was also disproved due to a few errors involving camera angles and such.
 
I'm still likin' this better than any stupid glass trackpad.

Seems like an awful lot of space to waste in order to get those rounded corners.

No, I'd prefer this:

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Funny that you mention the "forehead" - I thought that was the ugliest thing about the MBP when it first came out. It looked like they shoved it in there with absolutely no forethought. They reduced the forehead a bit on the latest revision though, the one I have. It looks a bit more even. Still, i miss the nice thin screen bezel on my old TiBook. Strange how an older computer had a less bulky appearance than a new one, from a company that likes to tout its "thinner" computers all the time :)

Hehe, Indeed :p
 
And maybe that will remind the consumers whining about more USB ports that it's a PROFESSIONAL laptop... or a laptop trying it's best to be a PRO machine.
OK, um... first off, here's how 'professional' the FW on Macs is: To save a few extra nickels, Apple switched from a Texas Instruments chipset to an Agere chipset. For audio professionals who use a firewire audio interface, this means that Macs just went from "pro" to "Toys'R'Us".

Second, since when are professionals too good for USB? External hard disks aren't everything. In my profession (audio recording, editing & engineering) I need tons of USB ports. First there's the copy protecion dongles that come with many professional apps, so there goes one or two USB ports. Then you need USB peripherals - in my case a decent keyboard with numerical keys, a good mouse, a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI control surface. There goes another 4 USB ports. For a graphic designer it might be a Wacom tablet and/or a 3D space navigator.

When I come to work I stick my Dell laptop in a docking station and voilá, everything's already neatly plugged in (30" monitor, keyboard, Ethernet, mouse, MIDI keyboard & controllers, USB dongles, external FW disk, everything). I wouldn't mind switching to a Mac Pro, but this would make my life a whole lot more cumbersome because rather than do one thing (dock the computer and start working), I'd have to plug in the monitor cable, the power cable, the Ethernet cable, the mouse cable, the iPhone dock, the keyboard cable, the MIDI keyboard cable... bleh. Sure, I could get a USB hub but it's just not the same, and my desk would still look like a junk yard.
 
OK, um... first off, here's how 'professional' the FW on Macs is: To save a few extra nickels, Apple switched from a Texas Instruments chipset to an Agere chipset. For audio professionals who use a firewire audio interface, this means that Macs just went from "pro" to "Toys'R'Us".

They switched back to the TI chipset in the Penryn MBP - the current MBPs are not using the Agere chipset.
 
hmmmm. out of all the ports/jacks/whatever, i use firewire 400 THE MOST. constant swapping of firelite style drives all the time. this is a real drag.
 
OK, um... first off, here's how 'professional' the FW on Macs is: To save a few extra nickels, Apple switched from a Texas Instruments chipset to an Agere chipset. For audio professionals who use a firewire audio interface, this means that Macs just went from "pro" to "Toys'R'Us".
I thought that was still the case too. But apparently they switched back to TI's.

Second, since when are professionals too good for USB? External hard disks aren't everything.
There are more to firewire than external harddiscs.

In my profession (audio recording, editing & engineering) I need tons of USB ports. First there's the copy protecion dongles that come with many professional apps, so there goes one or two USB ports. Then you need USB peripherals - in my case a decent keyboard with numerical keys, a good mouse, a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI control surface.
Again, noone is saying that USB is not useable for a pro. We are saying that only a "common" consumer (I don't mean to offense, I just mean someone who doesn't really have any particular needs) would try to argue that it would be good to nix firewire and replace them with USB.

There goes another 4 USB ports. For a graphic designer it might be a Wacom tablet and/or a 3D space navigator.
Again, there are many other audio professionels who also use USB, but that doesn't mean we don't need firewire.

When I come to work I stick my Dell laptop in a docking station and voilá, everything's already neatly plugged in (30" monitor, keyboard, Ethernet, mouse, MIDI keyboard & controllers, USB dongles, external FW disk, everything). I wouldn't mind switching to a Mac Pro, but this would make my life a whole lot more cumbersome because rather than do one thing (dock the computer and start working), I'd have to plug in the monitor cable, the power cable, the Ethernet cable, the mouse cable, the iPhone dock, the keyboard cable, the MIDI keyboard cable... bleh. Sure, I could get a USB hub but it's just not the same, and my desk would still look like a junk yard.
Docking stations can be cool. But then again, some of us audio people don't work all the time tied to a desk.
 
They switched back to the TI chipset in the Penryn MBP - the current MBPs are not using the Agere chipset.
Phew... well that's one problem down, then. :)

Again, noone is saying that USB is not useable for a pro. We are saying that only a "common" consumer (I don't mean to offense, I just mean someone who doesn't really have any particular needs) would try to argue that it would be good to nix firewire and replace them with USB.
I thought the discussion was more about the MBP not having enough USB ports, but yeah -- of course they shouldn't omit FW in favor of more USB ports, they should have both. If Dell is able to give you 4 USB ports on a laptop and still provide Firewire (along with other handy stuff like built-in 3G broadband, card readers etc) the supposed geniuses at Apple should have no problem doing the same. But as usual, form is given precedence over function.

Docking stations can be cool. But then again, some of us audio people don't work all the time tied to a desk.
No, but it's not like you would lose out on anything if there was an optional docking station for those who need it. Apple likes to brag about how neat your desktop will be when you go Mac. Like in this picture. But in the case of the MacBook Pro vs my Dell Precision notebook with the D/View+D/Port combo, it's my desk that looks tidy and the MBP desk that looks like a mess.
 
I thought the discussion was more about the MBP not having enough USB ports, but yeah -- of course they shouldn't omit FW in favor of more USB ports, they should have both. If Dell is able to give you 4 USB ports on a laptop and still provide Firewire (along with other handy stuff like built-in 3G broadband, card readers etc) the supposed geniuses at Apple should have no problem doing the same. But as usual, form is given precedence over function.
Oh, like that. Well, then I agree. Many of us were just responding to people responding to the rumour that the new one might have just one FW port. Some of those posters were saying that it didn't matter if the nixing of the FW400 port meant another USB port.
I wholeheartedly agree that the MBP over all lacks ports.


No, but it's not like you would lose out on anything if there was an optional docking station for those who need it. Apple likes to brag about how neat your desktop will be when you go Mac. Like in this picture. But in the case of the MacBook Pro vs my Dell Precision notebook with the D/View+D/Port combo, it's my desk that looks tidy and the MBP desk that looks like a mess.

Again I agree. I thought thought you implied that it would be alright to nix ports if only one could buy a docking station.
 
I simply can't wait to splash out on one of the new mac portables. I've been ready since october 2007, waiting for some significant changes all the time. Finally it looks like it is going to happen. Go! Steve & co. Go!
 
They better do this soon, I just found out a laptop is REQUIRED for the school I'm going to in the Spring semester. I NEED MBP!!
 
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