Amazon Listing for Dual 2.7 Ghz PowerMac

[skythefly13]

Apple Store?

Apple Store seems to be down? I just tried checking how my Up-to-Date tiger box was doing, and it says theyre down due to an update? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM......Better be something good!

CORRECTION: It's only the Order Status Pages, not the whole store. No big updates there I'm guessing...

 

[MacTruck]

The thing is, if they drop the price, it throws existing owner's machine values into an instant drop, more so then just a few minor h/w upgrades to the new models.

It's not good to piss of current owners.

Well in that case lets hope apple doesn't come out with anything faster or cheaper for a long time.

Are you kidding me? The only reason macs are worth so much on ebay is because there has not been a real speed increase for so long. Still using G4 in most macs and the G4 is as fast as the G5 at the same clock speed so why get a brand new machine. Coupled with the fact that apple is the only manufacturer of the mac and that is what keeps prices high for resale. Screw resale prices. GIVE ME DUAL DUAL CORE G5 WITH 1GB Ram standard and more expansion NOW APPLE!

PS: HEY APPLE..... DROP THE PRICES OF YOUR DISPLAYS! DELL SELLS THEM FOR LESS THAN HALF THE PRICE AND THIERS ARE TWICE AS GOOD AS YOURS, AND they offer DISCOUNTS.

 

[MrSugar]

This is absolutely pathetic.

There is no excuse for Apple to do this. I thought the 2.5 was a stretch but at least they had a .5ghz jump (half of what they promised). Now a year has passed, and all they can get is a .2mhz bump.

Pathetic, absolutely sad. I bought my rev. a 2ghz for 2k last summer. What is sad is it was a year old at that time. Now it's still considered one of apple's "best computers".

I should be crying wishing I had enough money to get the "newest greatest" thing from apple. Too bad the newest and greatest is horrible. A 16x drive, nice, but still a weak weak update. If you suck it up on the processor at least include other really nice things. How about sweet new PCI Express, or really nice video cards. But as usual, like apple always does, they are going to slap users in the face with those updates too.

I jumped on board the Apple bandwagon right after the G5 came out, I was excited, 3ghz in one year... or maybe not. More like two years and counting.

Absolutely sad. People waiting for nice PMacs have gotten shoved in the back, and now their falling down a flight of stairs with these horrible prices.

There is a price for Apple's OS, but not when it means you pay a premium for hardware that is two years old.

 

[topicolo]

Sorry if it came off as insulting, but you're bit about how a switch to AMD designed/manufactured chips would be a switch to the x86 platform is absolutely nutty. Quoting you, "You're imagining possible cases here, not relying on actual facts!" Am I? All I suggested was that there are no known reasons why AMD is incapable of producing a PowerPC chip.

I think that IBM, and don't get me wrong IBM I like you and all, doesn't really have time to care about Apple. Apple's PowerMac's and iMac's don't really pose a huge marketshare for IBM, so keeping the chips in these machines on the cutting edge is not a big business priority for them.

Also, I think this is, in big part, Apple's fault. They have the most elegant and well designed machines on the planet, but when was the last time you saw a commercial for the PowerMac G5 or the iMac G5. The only one I can remember is the one where the guy gets blown out of his house. I'd even wager money to say that the United State's Congress was more productive last year than Apple's Marketing Department. It is a stone miracle that Apple can even sell these machines given the fact that they don't do any advertising whatsoever. It seems to me that not even Apple is very excited about their products anymore! Why aren't there commercials running day and night about the coming of Mac OS 10.4? Why weren't there any commercials proclaiming the amazing engineering feat that is the Mac Mini?

1) AMD, at its current state, is almost fully utilizing their chip fabricating capacity so there's no chance they're going to spend time and energy to make powerpc chips (although they're building a new fab)

2) Apple's marketing department has been in overdrive for the last two years--the only problem is that all they're marketing are ipods

 

[MikeBike]

AMD isn't somehow barred from ever making anything other than x86 processors

Now, There's a Good IDEA.

IT Consultants are now coming to realize that the PPC is really hard to infect with a *.exe file and have been making noise about this Apple advantage. I'm Sure IBM would welcome AMD in as a second source.
I'd like to see AMD's ideas in the PPC realm, they've ALWAYS beat Intel when it came to the Computer Science.

 

[Lacero]

I'd think that any upgrade is better than no upgrade... the price drop on the dual 2 gig machine is pretty interesting... a grand less is pretty nice...

 

[aussie_geek]

Apple Store seems to be down? I just tried checking how my Up-to-Date tiger box was doing, and it says theyre down due to an update? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM......Better be something good!

CORRECTION: It's only the Order Status Pages, not the whole store. No big updates there I'm guessing...

I wouldn't be surprised it the AppleStore server is bogged down at the moment. With the combination of everyone refreshing the pages on PowerMacs and continually checking their order status for tiger, the Xserve's would be running hot .

Mind you, I have to admit, I am responsible for a few requests anyway - at least 2 per hour


aussie_geek

 

[FlyNolJ]

PS: HEY APPLE..... DROP THE PRICES OF YOUR DISPLAYS! DELL SELLS THEM FOR LESS THAN HALF THE PRICE AND THIERS ARE TWICE AS GOOD AS YOURS, AND they offer DISCOUNTS.

I agree, I can't believe Apple right now with their displays and PM. Go iPod. But what do you have for the most "significant upgrade to an operating system in years."? A Mac mini... hhmmph.

 

[PCM]

Okay I'm not going to knock the speed but seriously

HOW DARE THEY SHIP THE TOP OF THE LINE G5 WITH LESS THAN A GIG OF RAM? God.

JESUS...NO ONE EVEN MENTIONED NO AIRPORT OR BLUETOOTH! I can understand dissapointment about the other things, but come on apple!!!!

 

[archangel37]

I think I have to agree with those who give the "rabid mac user, calm down" line. Obviously, tomorrow's update, whatever it will be, will disappoint some people. They could turn out to be dual dual core 2.7 ghz, PCIe, blu-ray, ATI X850, etc, and someone is going to whine about how much they suck because they want to charge $2,500. You can't please everyone.

That said, I can't quite understand why those who already have Dual G5s are complaining so much. Your machine isn't obsolete! What the hell are you complaining about?!

"There is no excuse for this." Sure there is! IBM! Apple doesn't make the CPUs themselves, and Apple can't just force IBM to make faster chips because it wants them. You can't possibly believe Apple has a stash of dual core 3 Ghz g5s just laying around, waiting for some poor fools to buy these updates!

Seriously, I don't know why it's "sad" to think that a computer you bought a year ago, even a used computer, is still considered a good computer. Unless you are one of the very few who live and die by the seconds they can save on faster computers, what exactly is your problem?

As for those who were waiting for new releases (like myself), how exactly is getting a little more power for the same price a bad deal? Falling down a flight of stairs? Crikey, you REALLY need to calm down a bit.

Obviously, as a mac user, I would like Apple to present the best hardware possible. I would love for Apple to come out with Dual Dual Core 3ghz powerhouses, but I am also realistic that they are limited to what they can and can not do. Lower prices or other motherboard upgrades would be fantastic, but lets not forget that for those (like me) who are about to make the G5 plunge from a previous system (a dual 1ghz g4 for goodness sake!), this will be a pretty nice update.

This is absolutely pathetic.

There is no excuse for Apple to do this. I thought the 2.5 was a stretch but at least they had a .5ghz jump (half of what they promised). Now a year has passed, and all they can get is a .2mhz bump.

Pathetic, absolutely sad. I bought my rev. a 2ghz for 2k last summer. What is sad is it was a year old at that time. Now it's still considered one of apple's "best computers".

I should be crying wishing I had enough money to get the "newest greatest" thing from apple. Too bad the newest and greatest is horrible. A 16x drive, nice, but still a weak weak update. If you suck it up on the processor at least include other really nice things. How about sweet new PCI Express, or really nice video cards. But as usual, like apple always does, they are going to slap users in the face with those updates too.

I jumped on board the Apple bandwagon right after the G5 came out, I was excited, 3ghz in one year... or maybe not. More like two years and counting.

Absolutely sad. People waiting for nice PMacs have gotten shoved in the back, and now their falling down a flight of stairs with these horrible prices.

There is a price for Apple's OS, but not when it means you pay a premium for hardware that is two years old.

 

[fluidinclusion]

As they should be.

At one point I was reading this thread and by the time I finished a page a new one had been created, it went from 4 pages to 12 in under an hour. Boy are people pissed

As they should be (assuming no 970 MP). IF dual core, then no problem here speed wise. AGP should be gone too, but we don't have the details yet. COME ON EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! [/end mini me voice].

 

[blitzkrieg79]

...........

Anyway, its still Tuesday and no new releases were made official and who says that those 970s arent of the dual core breed... Anyway, if its not it will be a disappointing update to say the least, I just dont understand people defending Apple, I mean we all are here customers, waiting to spend our hard earned money on technology that is a couple of years old... No one shoudl defend Apple, its clearly visible they have moved away from the PRO market and towards the middle of the ground to the low market with the iPods, Mac Minis, and iMacs... I like Mac OS X and couple of their software titles BUT afterall its my money that no one gave away for free and I want the most out of it and its clearly visible that Apple is just not delivering it... I am wondering what legal obligations does IBM hold towards Apple after they signed a 5 generations deal (and I wonder if they count each chip such as FX or MP as a generation or Power4 derivatives as a generation in one)... I mean corporate world doesnt work in such way when someone signs a contract and the other side doesnt obligate to it you just dont terminate it, you sue for the financial damages... I mean IBM probably was more then confident enough with their 3GHZ prediction when they told Jobs that they would deliver it by the summer of 2004 and nothing happened? or maybe Apple has been promised something in exchange but what? we wont know until it will be released if ever...

 

[fluidinclusion]

This is absolutely pathetic.


Pathetic, absolutely sad. I bought my rev. a 2ghz for 2k last summer. What is sad is it was a year old at that time. Now it's still considered one of apple's "best computers".
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Actually, their "new 2GHz machine is probably far more crippled than the used one you got. So, in a way you have a mid-range machine.

 

[fluidinclusion]

WTF?

I think I have to agree with those who give the "rabid mac user, calm down" line. Obviously, tomorrow's update, whatever it will be, will disappoint some people. They could turn out to be dual dual core 2.7 ghz, PCIe, blu-ray, ATI X850, etc, and someone is going to whine about how much they suck because they want to charge $2,500. You can't please everyone.
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NO ONE IN HIS RIGHT MIND would complain if they were dual core 2.7 GHz, PCIe, blu-ray, ATI X850 for $2,500. Apple wouldn't be able to make enough of them.

 

[Koree]

Lets remeber, none of this is exactly FROM apple. Or its just me being stupid. ^^ I have a dual 2.5, and glad i bought it, please remeber, whenever you buy a computer unless your proccessor series is gonna be outdated in a matter of a month, just buy it... Unless its for SURE OMG ITS COMING ITS COMING! THIS IS GOING TO BE THE PWNZED MY COMPUTERS GONNA ROXXORS!oneone111!!!!ONEonE!oNe!

-sorry just showing my distaste for dude talk or whatever its called-

 

[Cooknn]

They could turn out to be dual dual core 2.7 ghz, PCIe, blu-ray, ATI X850, etc, and someone is going to whine about how much they suck because they want to charge $2,500. You can't please everyone.

A config like that would probably be more like $3,500 and would definitely cause my Mastercard to start sending electronic signals to my brain

 

[archangel37]

Final cut pro? DVD Studio pro? Soundtrack? Motion? Logic? Shake? Any of these programs ring a bell? Oh, right, they are Pro software packages, many of which Apple just updated.

You said it so well; we are customers, and as customers, we can take our money where we want. If come tomorrow, top of the line apples don't have PCIe, Dual Core, blu-ray, or whatever technology you feel you NEED, then you are free to shop else where. If on the other hand, the current crop of Apple hardware gets the job done and you really love Mac OS X, iLife, etc, then you know what to do. If having the latest hardware (you MUST have PCIe, DDR2, blah...), regardless of whether it actually improves performance vs. cost, then maybe it's time to realize you chose the wrong platform.

And I'm sure we'll never know the details of the 3 ghz promise. Unless Think Secret tells us.

Anyway, its still Tuesday and no new releases were made official and who says that those 970s arent of the dual core breed... Anyway, if its not it will be a disappointing update to say the least, I just dont understand people defending Apple, I mean we all are here customers, waiting to spend our hard earned money on technology that is a couple of years old... No one shoudl defend Apple, its clearly visible they have moved away from the PRO market and towards the middle of the ground to the low market with the iPods, Mac Minis, and iMacs... I like Mac OS X and couple of their software titles BUT afterall its my money that no one gave away for free and I want the most out of it and its clearly visible that Apple is just not delivering it... I am wondering what legal obligations does IBM hold towards Apple after they signed a 5 generations deal (and I wonder if they count each chip such as FX or MP as a generation or Power4 derivatives as a generation in one)... I mean corporate world doesnt work in such way when someone signs a contract and the other side doesnt obligate to it you just dont terminate it, you sue for the financial damages... I mean IBM probably was more then confident enough with their 3GHZ prediction when they told Jobs that they would deliver it by the summer of 2004 and nothing happened? or maybe Apple has been promised something in exchange but what? we wont know until it will be released if ever...

 

[FlyNolJ]

ehhh.

Actually, their "new 2GHz machine is probably far more crippled than the used one you got. So, in a way you have a mid-range machine.

Could you explain "far more crippled" a little more in detail. I'm in the market, this is the machine I'd buy, and I want to know why it's crippled.

 

[archangel37]

Ah, there's your problem..."IN HIS RIGHT MIND." A whole lot of people aren't in their right mind. I am 100% certain someone would find a complaint. Say, not enough HD space. Not enough internal expansion. No free iPods. Etc.

Though I agree, anyone in his right mind, who cares about computer tech, would probably whip out their credit cards so fast they'd hurt themselves.

NO ONE IN HIS RIGHT MIND would complain if they were dual core 2.7 GHz, PCIe, blu-ray, ATI X850 for $2,500. Apple wouldn't be able to make enough of them.

 

[Narles]

refurbished Power Mac G5

It depends on how much you paid for it as to whether or not it would be worth it to send it back. If you saved more than $500 from the baseline (new) system, then I would take that money and purchase extra RAM and a larger hard drive if so desired. It would be cheaper in the long run.

Thanks for the advice! I still haven't opened up my Refurbished Power Mac G5 and I think I'm going to hold out on opening it until tomorrow. I saved $400 by getting it refurbished from Apple and I'd like to get some RAM with that money. I already own an external Dual Layer DVD+/-R/RW burner that I've been using on my old 1GHz Power Mac G4 (mirror door) so I'm not worried about missing out on new technology. My only reason for waiting until tomorrow to open up my *new* G5 is to see if the price of the refurbished G5s drops on Apple's site when the new ones are released, if I don't see that happen tomorrow, I'm going to open this baby up.

 

[andiwm2003]

I think I have to agree with those who give the "rabid mac user, calm down" line. Obviously, tomorrow's update, whatever it will be, will disappoint some people. They could turn out to be dual dual core 2.7 ghz, PCIe, blu-ray, ATI X850, etc, and someone is going to whine about how much they suck because they want to charge $2,500. You can't please everyone.

That said, I can't quite understand why those who already have Dual G5s are complaining so much. Your machine isn't obsolete! What the hell are you complaining about?!

"There is no excuse for this." Sure there is! IBM! Apple doesn't make the CPUs themselves, and Apple can't just force IBM to make faster chips because it wants them. You can't possibly believe Apple has a stash of dual core 3 Ghz g5s just laying around, waiting for some poor fools to buy these updates!

Seriously, I don't know why it's "sad" to think that a computer you bought a year ago, even a used computer, is still considered a good computer. Unless you are one of the very few who live and die by the seconds they can save on faster computers, what exactly is your problem?

As for those who were waiting for new releases (like myself), how exactly is getting a little more power for the same price a bad deal? Falling down a flight of stairs? Crikey, you REALLY need to calm down a bit.

Obviously, as a mac user, I would like Apple to present the best hardware possible. I would love for Apple to come out with Dual Dual Core 3ghz powerhouses, but I am also realistic that they are limited to what they can and can not do. Lower prices or other motherboard upgrades would be fantastic, but lets not forget that for those (like me) who are about to make the G5 plunge from a previous system (a dual 1ghz g4 for goodness sake!), this will be a pretty nice update.

well i agree with your calm down a bit part.

but there are serious implication with this weak update.
weak powermacs mean it takes longer till faster processors come to the consumer models. that means less market share, less developers programming software, less games, less market share.....
slower consumer macs mean i have to wait longer to get the machine i want.

slower powermacs mean more pro's go to the wintel side, less pros switch to macs. and pro's are still the one's that drive the mac, the quality, the good software. if photoshop is discontinued on the mac then photoshop elements is soon not available to consumers like me anymore.

if apple loses the pro market in hd video then they will loose the video version of itunes for consumers.

so there is reason for concern if they can't provide powermac's that rock. even if it doesn't affect me directly.

my 2 cents, andi

 

[archangel37]

By "Crippled," I believe they mean being able to put in less RAM ( 4gb vs 8gb), slower bus, and slower (and older) PCI slots.

http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html

You can compare the current specs there. The single 1.8ghz is considered "crippled" (By some.)

Could you explain "far more cripp ed" a little more in detail. I'm in the market, this is the machine I'd buy, and I want to know why it's crippled.

 

[calyxman]

At one point I was reading this thread and by the time I finished a page a new one had been created, it went from 4 pages to 12 in under an hour. Boy are people pissed

Expect it. If everybody was happy-go-lucky and gave Apple good press we still be in the candy-colored iMac days. It's dissatisfaction or more importantly higher expectations of what is deemed a premium provider of computing products that forces Apple to exceed our expectations. We know Apple is capable and talented, we know OS X is more intuitive than Windows, but when it comes to offering "high end" systems such as the PM and PB, we need to see more for our money. A half-gig of RAM in a $2000+ system? Unacceptable.

 

[makey]

Ha, ha. I love how Amazon now puts up the "Coming Soon" placeholder page. Too little too late.

 

[mvc]

Awhh relax everyone, yes this is a fairly lame update, but its just a placeholder, I'm sure we'll still get the good stuff at WWDC. 3ghz Quad Core for a new top end model to extend this lot, new motherboard architecture, faster, stronger, better, yada yada.

MAYBE that G5 powerbook will be demoed too.

Or at least, Steve will show us one in action then tell us they are shipping soon!!! (September is my bet)