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People understate the brilliance of the home button

Getting rid of it would turn it into a Samdung
How? Samsung also has a home button.

The other benefit of wireless charging is that you can charge your phone if you ever break your lightning/USB port.
 
It just seems odd the y would do this next year instead of this year. I keep seeing everyone say it's the 10th year of iPhone so they want to make it special but would the 10th iteration of the Flagship iPhone be a bigger cause?

1- iPhone
2- iPhone 3G
3- iPhone 3GS
4- iPhone 4
5- iPhone 4S
6- iPhone 5
7- iPhone 5s
8- iPhone 6/plus
9- iPhone 6S/plus
10- Fall 2016 iPhone

I mean I guess those lines get blurred if you'd count the 5C and SE as their own numbers, but I don't think I would. They were and are more like special edition variants to me.

Anyways, if Apple can do wireless charging that isn't essentially just docking on a charging pad... I would be very interested. I think for it to be practical though it'd need to be a situation where you can have a whole room that charges your phone, or even your whole house. But if I have to plug in a designated pad, sit it on my nightstand and place my phone in that same spot I don't really see how it's better than a dock that would likely charge it faster and keep the phone upright. I think the Samsung's right now have awesome screens, and I favor alot of the design elements of the edge over my iPhone so I think new screens would be welcomed. I think an all glass body would look super sleek and I welcome that as well.

If they really do get touch-ID into the screen and remove the home button I would be very pleased. Let's hope for the best!
 
It sounds to me more like this year's iPhone is more like the iPhone 6SS and iPhone 6SS+.

Next year's iPhone will be the iPhone 7, not 8.
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Anyways, if Apple can do wireless charging that isn't essentially just docking on a charging pad... I would be very interested. I think for it to be practical though it'd need to be a situation where you can have a whole room that charges your phone, or even your whole house. But if I have to plug in a designated pad, sit it on my nightstand and place my phone in that same spot I don't really see how it's better than a dock that would likely charge it faster and keep the phone upright.

One advantage with the charging mat style wireless charging is it means you have fewer openings in the device. That makes it easier to make it waterproof - less places where water can sneak in and damage components.

If Apple swaps to wireless headphones and wireless charging, it would remove the two biggest weak points on the iPhone that make it hardest to make it waterproof.
 
Since when is wireless charging "next generation"? Android phones have had it for half a decade.
True. I want an iPhone that will work with wired head phones not via lighting $50 adapters or Bluetooth. I have a feeling the new iPhones are going to be a downgrade in this regard.
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Why did I question the author that said wireless charging is "next generation"? Because it's not.


What's not done right about the current implementation? What differences do you think Apple could possibly make that current wireless charging capable phones can't do now?
Maybe when apple does the wireless charging properly your iPhone and iPads will levitate over the $200 wireless charger.
[doublepost=1461386702][/doublepost]Apple we all love and hate things about our iPhones.

Things I want to see improved

1) enormous bezels
2) protruding lenses
3) better battery life. Instead of making the phone so thin you can't jam one extra battery cell and rely on A10 processor sipping less power give us a slightly heavier unbendable phone with great battery life.
4) ugly antenna bands
5) dual speakers forward facing stereo sound
6) water proofing / resistance
7) better screen / sharper what good is shooting 4k video when you can't even watch it in 4K or a sharper screen. Not a spec junky just want a better screen. S7 blows the iPhone screen in sharpness
8) no lame entry model storage options forcing us to upgrade to larger storage
9) I want to keep my head phone jack without requiring an adapter or wireless headphones
10) I want to be able to have a SIM card for travel
 
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Phil Schiller said a few years ago that having a matt is a pointless design. I've been watching Apple's patent releases on wireless charging for a few years now.

The reason Apple has held off is because they want a real solution, not a "neat-o!" matt.
It's not wireless. That's the problem. Even worse... you need to keep your phone on the matt. It's harder to use while it charges. WTF is that?! :/ It's one of those things that sounds cooler than it is when you actually try to do it. Who wants to carry around a wire and a matt? That's not any better than just having the jack. It's actually worse. Wireless charging is not great. It's one of those things that's cool to show but the usability of it is questionable at best and it's not a must have feature at all. I will say this if you go to starbucks to charge your phone it would allow you to charge your phone easier without the connector....but it's like who cares... I see people having to lean over half the table or worse pick their phones up off the charger so they can use it. Then they put it back down...when you could just keep it plugged in charging while you use it.

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True. I want an iPhone that will work with wired head phones not via lighting $50 adapters or Bluetooth. I have a feeling the new iPhones are going to be a downgrade in this regard.
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Maybe when apple does the wireless charging properly your iPhone and iPads will levitate over the $200 wireless charger.
[doublepost=1461386702][/doublepost]Apple we all love and hate things about our iPhones.

Things I want to see improved

1) enormous bezels
2) protruding lenses
3) better battery life. Instead of making the phone so thin you can't jam one extra battery cell and rely on A10 processor sipping less power give us a slightly heavier unbendable phone with great battery life.
4) ugly antenna bands
5) dual speakers forward facing stereo sound
6) water proofing / resistance
7) better screen / sharper what good is shooting 4k video when you can't even watch it in 4K or a sharper screen. Not a spec junky just want a better screen. S7 blows the iPhone screen in sharpness
8) no lame entry model storage options forcing us to upgrade to larger storage
9) I want to keep my head phone jack without requiring an adapter or wireless headphones
10) I want to be able to have a SIM card for travel
Sorry but I'd prefer better sound than the same old dated headphone jack... You can already use a sim card for travel in your phone.
 
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It sounds to me more like this year's iPhone is more like the iPhone 6SS and iPhone 6SS+.

Next year's iPhone will be the iPhone 7, not 8.
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One advantage with the charging mat style wireless charging is it means you have fewer openings in the device. That makes it easier to make it waterproof - less places where water can sneak in and damage components.

If Apple swaps to wireless headphones and wireless charging, it would remove the two biggest weak points on the iPhone that make it hardest to make it waterproof.

This is true, I didn't think about waterproofing as the reason for wireless charging in the place on the mat sense. That would at least justify the switch. Don't most of these phones with wireless charging still have the ports though? In which case I feel like I would still opt for a dock. I'm just not too sold on it unless it's truly wireless. If I could step into a general area and my phone automatically starts charging in my pocket, that's what I would consider wireless charging and that's what I would want from it.

Also, I'd be willing to bet next years iPhone will be named something other than iPhone 7 or 8. Maybe iPhone X or just iPhone with us using the year to identify or something. It would seem a bit odd to me to name it the 7 or 8 if it's truly as big of a redesign and they give us more or less the 6SS this year. Then again, I've never really been able to understand why Apple names their products the way they do, they're extremely messy with it.
 
I was really hoping wireless charging would make it into this years phone since it's prob just going to be a spec bump minus a headphone jack...

Really Apple same phone for 3 years is ridiculous. Then again apple knows they could take a **** in a box and put an apple logo on it and sell the **** out of it so I guess I don't blame them.
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Sales are going to fall a lot more than 1.8% if the iPhone 7 turns out to be another internal spec bump rather than a new design.


Yea I agree and they deserve it. 3 years of the same phone...
 
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It's not wireless. That's the problem. Even worse... you need to keep your phone on the matt. It's harder to use while it charges. WTF is that?! :/ It's one of those things that sounds cooler than it is when you actually try to do it. Who wants to carry around a wire and a matt? That's not any better than just having the jack. It's actually worse. Wireless charging is not great. It's one of those things that's cool to show but the usability of it is questionable at best and it's not a must have feature at all. I will say this if you go to starbucks to charge your phone it would allow you to charge your phone easier without the connector....but it's like who cares... I see people having to lean over half the table or worse pick their phones up off the charger so they can use it. Then they put it back down...when you could just keep it plugged in charging while you use it.

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Sorry but I'd prefer better sound than the same old dated headphone jack... You can already use a sim card for travel in your phone.
You guys need to understand that wireless charging via a charging pad is not a replacement for regular wired charging. You don't bring it with you when you go someplace, and you don't use your phone while you charge via it. It's use case is for your home, office, or other places you frequent often where you can leave a wireless charging pad.

As I've said before, it's a place to put your phone when normally you'd just leave it on a desk or table. Say you go into your office, instead of leaving it on the desk you leave it on the charging pad on your desk, or at home at your night stand you leave it on the pad on your night stand. This way when it's not being used, it's always charging. For me I go to and from my office several times a day, and instead of having to plug and unplug a cable 10 times a day I just place it on my desk and pick it up when I leave, and it's always at 100%
 
The wireless telegraph was developed in the 1890's. So not hundreds of years.

Also, the amount of power put off my common wireless transmitters such as WiFi is so minuscule by the time it reaches you, you're talking hundredths and thousandths of a watt, is nowhere near enough to charge a device. If you need to have 10-20W reaching your phone wirelessly, that's a LOT of RF and power to push that much energy over the air.

1880's actually, but RF was discovered well before that in the early 1800's it just wasn't used to broadcast sound waves or anything else for that matter. Granted thats not "hundreds" but its coming up to 200 years, so my point stands - once again you seem more interested in arguing facetious semantics because you know your point is null and void or moot...

...But no, you're right, the multi million pound company developing it and the FDA approving it is wrong, and some random know it all on the Macrumors forum is right - and we're all going to get cancer when it comes out, and you wont use it when Samsung adopt it because placing your phone on a matt is safe and fast. Definitely. That's whats going to happen.
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Until you've used a phone with wireless charging, you'll have no idea how convenient it actually is.

I have - it was no different to sliding it into my dock - you seem to have spent quite a lot of time and posts arguing this on here. I guess wireless charging from Samsung really did free up a lot of your time :D
 
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Aaaaaah, random predictions of a phone more than 2 years away.

If we believed past rumors the current iPhone would have a 3D display, projector, virtual keyboard, wireless charging, waterproof, removable battery, and much much more.
 
Since when is wireless charging "next generation"? Android phones have had it for half a decade.
Apple simply can't help themselves, they live in a universe of self congratulations. No matter how big the pile of money gets, it's never enough. More money, more attention, like a spoiled child, there's never enough for Apple.
 
I usually get a new phone every 2 years so I'm due to upgrade in September. A total redesign would give me a lot of incentive to wait another year. It's like buying a new car then seeing a redesigned model a few months later.
 
though i'm not ready to let go of the convenient jack for all earphones in this planet... (i know, this has been said at least 128k times already)
Not all earphones. My dad had some earphones with a 1/4 inch phone plug, for his old reel to reel. Good luck trying to fit that into a silly 3.5 mm jack. If Apple wanted to truly innovate, they'd increase the size of the headphone jack to accommodate all the legacy headphones. Just think how much extra room they'd have inside the phone, and they could fill it with a battery that would last a year. They could make the battery replaceable, too, for those who might be away from a charger for more than a year at a time.
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iPhone 8 wouldn't come out until 2018...
Or it might never come out. Just because Apple has done the done the S cycle since the dawn of time (four times!) doesn't mean they'll continue that pattern forever into the future. The 2018 phone could be called the iPhone X. Or something else.
 
Everyone saying the home button will be removed, and its functions "incorporated into the screen" — what exactly does that mean?

How would it work; you touch (or "force-touch") somewhere random on the screen? The screen is full of software elements that already do something when you touch them, whether you're in an app or on the home screen.

Multitasking: Force touch in from the left
Siri: Say "Hey Siri"
Home: Force touch in from the right
Touch ID: Inside the screen
Reachability: Force touch from the bottom (which now has similar bezels to sides)

A completely out of the box option, Apple could leave a small amount of glass at the bottom (about half the current bezel) and make this area pressure sensitive. Essentially a tiny new-MacBook trackpad. You could have even more functions than the current home button; tap/double tap, press/double press, force press... can really get crazy and do things like slide left or right to unlock the phone or move the cursor.
 
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You guys need to understand that wireless charging via a charging pad is not a replacement for regular wired charging. You don't bring it with you when you go someplace, and you don't use your phone while you charge via it. It's use case is for your home, office, or other places you frequent often where you can leave a wireless charging pad.

As I've said before, it's a place to put your phone when normally you'd just leave it on a desk or table. Say you go into your office, instead of leaving it on the desk you leave it on the charging pad on your desk, or at home at your night stand you leave it on the pad on your night stand. This way when it's not being used, it's always charging. For me I go to and from my office several times a day, and instead of having to plug and unplug a cable 10 times a day I just place it on my desk and pick it up when I leave, and it's always at 100%
I can do that already. I have a charging cable at work for when Im at work. I just hook it up my cable at work and when I'm at home I do the same thing. What's the difference? Wireless charging that requires the use of a pad is more gimmicky and less useful than 3d touch. Sorry.
 
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All of the media has picked up on this, I must have seen about 5 articles alone just this morning on my News feed about how the iPhone 7 will be the one to skip and it's the iPhone 8 that will be the one people will be buying.

How sad that Apple's forecast of the next iPhone has already been presented before it's been announced.
Is this good or bad?
 
I can do that already. I have a charging cable at work for when Im at work. I just hook it up my cable at work and when I'm at home I do the same thing. What's the difference? Wireless charging that requires the use of a pad is more gimmicky and less useful than 3d touch. Sorry.
The difference is you don't need to actually plug your phone in 10 times a day as you get up from your desk and come back. No wear on the port either which otherwise could lead to it breaking.
 
The difference is you don't need to actually plug your phone in 10 times a day as you get up from your desk and come back. No wear on the port either which otherwise could lead to it breaking.
I don't care if the port breaks, it will be fixed. My phone when plugged in can be used plugged in, unlike a pad.
 
I don't care if the port breaks, it will be fixed. My phone when plugged in can be used plugged in, unlike a pad.
You don't need your phone to be plugged in when you're using it. It's at 100% on the pad, you use it, put it back at 95% then in a few minutes it's topped off. There is still a port if you want to charge it while you use it for some reason.
 
It just seems odd the y would do this next year instead of this year. I keep seeing everyone say it's the 10th year of iPhone so they want to make it special but would the 10th iteration of the Flagship iPhone be a bigger cause?

1- iPhone
2- iPhone 3G
3- iPhone 3GS
4- iPhone 4
5- iPhone 4S
6- iPhone 5
7- iPhone 5s
8- iPhone 6/plus
9- iPhone 6S/plus
10- Fall 2016 iPhone

I mean I guess those lines get blurred if you'd count the 5C and SE as their own numbers, but I don't think I would. They were and are more like special edition variants to me.

Anyways, if Apple can do wireless charging that isn't essentially just docking on a charging pad... I would be very interested. I think for it to be practical though it'd need to be a situation where you can have a whole room that charges your phone, or even your whole house. But if I have to plug in a designated pad, sit it on my nightstand and place my phone in that same spot I don't really see how it's better than a dock that would likely charge it faster and keep the phone upright. I think the Samsung's right now have awesome screens, and I favor alot of the design elements of the edge over my iPhone so I think new screens would be welcomed. I think an all glass body would look super sleek and I welcome that as well.

If they really do get touch-ID into the screen and remove the home button I would be very pleased. Let's hope for the best!

I'm right there with you. I think people are saying that 2017 will be the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. So since the second iPhone (3G) was one year after the iPhone, the 11th iPhone (2017) will be the 10th anniversary. I don't have any insider information, but I don't see why they would choose the 10th anniversary to release a special iPhone rather than the 10th iPhone. Especially considering it probably will be in the Fall rather than the Summer which wouldn't even be on the 10th anniversary. It would be the 10.25 anniversary.
 
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You don't need your phone to be plugged in when you're using it. It's at 100% on the pad, you use it, put it back at 95% then in a few minutes it's topped off. There is still a port if you want to charge it while you use it for some reason.
But I can use it plugged is the point and I can go to the conference room and plug in the phone and I can go over to another location and plug in the phone etc...
 
But I can use it plugged is the point and I can go to the conference room and plug in the phone and I can go over to another location and plug in the phone etc...
The whole point is avoiding that. Again, until you have experienced the benefit of wireless charging on today's phones you'll never understand the convenience it offers. I used to think like you until I was able to take advantage of wireless charging, now it's hard to imagine going without it.
 
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But I can use it plugged is the point and I can go to the conference room and plug in the phone and I can go over to another location and plug in the phone etc...
you can't even take it off the pad if you want it to charge while you are using the phone. :/
 
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