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Why even bother to wait for 2018 to have these features when you can get those now and more with any Samsung S7/Edge series. Phenomenal hardware and software at the moment from android camp and in 2018, you can bet android/Samsung will improve even further. You guys think it's like only Apple has to release these features and competitors sit still. It's the other way around now because Apple has not done anything innovative since touchID.

FAST wireless charging works fantastically on Samsung S7/Edge. Go look up the hardware interviews with the Samsung guys and read up on how they achieve their IP68 rating, fast wireless charging, and battery life.

The only thing that is innovative would be the touchID on the screen itself but give me a break you are buying the amoled display from Samsung and you can bet if you can embed a touchID sensor on the display Samsung will do so as well in 2017 beating Apple by a year.

Anyway, you guys enjoy your iPhone 2018 unicorn model while the rest of the world loves their S7/Edge. For smartphone's I'd never buy another iPhone again - but for tablets, iPad's all the way!

I'd rather hear about iOS 10 UI overhaul than this unicorn 2018 iphone
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Calm down.
It's not a gimmick. I have it on my S7edge and i use it all the time when i'm at the office. Instead of putting the phone down on the table, i put in on the dock and i have a charged battery all day.

I guess amoled screens are unimaginative gimmicks, too.:rolleyes:

I have the fast wireless charging STAND with my S7 Edge. Between my S7 edge and the the wife's we share it and it's so damn convenient. Place phone on stand and it fast wireless charges. No more plugging in and the battery life is so good it's not even worth charging. Get thru a day of heavy use with more than 8 hours SOT without the phone dying. Love the S7 Edge - Samsung super amoled display is just phenomenal.
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Semantics - its more or less has to be a surface touching something else - its basically not advantage to plugging a cable in, hence pointless.

What you want is to walk into a room and have the device charge up in your pocket - THAT is useful wireless charging and thats why they're working on.

You're asking a lot from Apple who has zero experience with wireless charging except for that stupid watch- and that doesn't even quick charge - Samsung adapter fast wireless charging is already 2nd generation - next year they will have revision 3.0 even faster.

Wireless charging thru the air with your iPhone in your front pocket? Not unless you want cancer in your balls. It sounds cool but I do not have faith in Apple these days to implement anything innovative - perhaps another shade of PINK color for the iPhone, yes.
 
By the way, although I don't think it would be a smart move, removing the home button is more than plausible. They have patented fingerprint sensors under the touchscreen, so I think there's a chance.
 
Where does that leave us for the iPhone 7? i find it difficult to believe that Apple wont do anything for this years iPhone, there are people who like myself will be upgrading from the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.
I'm not. I can't imagine Apple coming up with any new technology to get me to spring $100's of dollars for, and the interruption of wiping, selling old, and restoring to new. Hassle. $100's of dollars and hassle... for what?

3D touch was boring... They are going to have to come up with a whole lot more.
 
By the way, although I don't think it would be a smart move, removing the home button is more than plausible. They have patented fingerprint sensors under the touchscreen, so I think there's a chance.
Touch ID is the least of their concerns. Have you ever used a device (with regularity) that has a software home button? Its a disaster.
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Phenomenal hardware and software at the moment from android

Where any/all of your arguments fail is on the premise that this is true. Not only is it not true, its laughable.

I'm not going to argue hardware specs and preferences. Just because one company does one thing another does another, doesn't make either right wrong good bad or otherwise.

Samsung devices are unusable because they run Android, unfortunately.
 
Since when is wireless charging "next generation"? Android phones have had it for half a decade.
Tired of repeating this, but google WiTricity. I'm not linking it again. THAT is true wireless charging, not the physical contact with a charging mat-based junk. It seems to be on the verge of entering the consumer space too.
 
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Touch ID is the least of their concerns. Have you ever used a device (with regularity) that has a software home button? Its a disaster.
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Where any/all of your arguments fail is on the premise that this is true. Not only is it not true, its laughable.

I'm not going to argue hardware specs and preferences. Just because one company does one thing another does another, doesn't make either right wrong good bad or otherwise.

Samsung devices are unusable because they run Android, unfortunately.


The ignorance in this post is laughable. I'm not gonna even bother with your response except to say stick with an IPhone - it suits your perfectly!
 
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Steve wanted the home button removed even back with the original phone because it goes against everything about touch devices. There's an article somewhere about how he hated it. The home button could have been removed years ago but when you have a bean counter for CEO instead of a product manager genius, planned obsolescence makes more sense.
 
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Where is the speaker hole for phone calls, or does this turn into a Blue Tooth Handset only kind of device?
Where is the facetime camera? Do we have camera tech yet that works from behind the screen without impacting the screen or camera?
How do you grip it without unintended touches registering? And even if the software has new kinds of touch rejection logic, do you want it spending CPU cycles and extra battery constantly processing and dismissing those irrelevant touches?
How would you put a case on it, if so inclined? Something that only squeezes the sides or maybe uses adhesive onto the back? And you wouldn't be able to have a protective front lip without impairing the ability to touch content at the edges.
Where is the easy-for-everyone-to-understand-and-find button that they can always rely on to escape out of an app?
How will you check the time and recent notifications? If it's just by touching the screen, how do you avoid wasting battery by powering up the screen from handling it all the other times?

Firstly you could reduce the height of the top bezel to not much bigger than the side bezels by simple rearranging the sensors and LED. This would cause absolutely none of the problems that you describe.

Secondly the reduction of the bottom bezel by somehow integrating the home button into the screen is what all the speculation is about. If possible then the top and bottom bezels become about the size of the side bezels and the height of the 5.5” phone would be about the height of the current 4.7” phone, and would fit in my pockets!

Personally I’d be happy with this. The ideal situation of completely reducing the bezels is less important and does raise a few of the issues you describe, but I’d hope isn’t beyond the abilities of Apple’s design team (albeit probably not next year). Samsung have no problems with no side bezels; touch rejection should be easy (Apple have mastered palm rejection on the iPad Pro); I have had several cases that only have sides and no wraparound on top; and I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple could find a way to have the top sensors behind the screen (especially if they can do it with the Touch ID sensor on the home button).

As I say such a bezel-free phone would be great, but just minimising the top and bottom bezels would make a massive difference, and the only impediment to that at the moment is the home button. Hence all this talk of using 3D Touch on the screen in some way. If they can do that then the resulting reduction in size would be more important to me than any of the other features being speculated upon here (although remote wireless charging also sounds pretty cool).
 
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The Palm Pre had wireless charging and that came out in 2010, so actually it's been around for more than half a decade.

I had the palm pre with wireless charging. It came back in 2009. Loved it and have wished apple would just copy their exact implementation for years now. The Apple Watch pretty much does mimic it but the iphone can't with an aluminum case. I do in fact think that Apple has been researching and developing truly wireless charging where the phone (and future Apple Watch/iPad) would charge while within a meter of the charger. Look up Phil Schillers comments on the current state of "wireless" charging and you will see this seems to be what Apple is aiming for.
 
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Wireless charging thru the air with your iPhone in your front pocket? Not unless you want cancer in your balls. It sounds cool but I do not have faith in Apple these days to implement anything innovative - perhaps another shade of PINK color for the iPhone, yes.

You obviously haven't seen the company they bought and what they've developed. And please, enough with radio frequencies causing cancer, we've got RF everywhere and have done for hundreds of years now.
 
Getting an iPhone SE is even more tempting now...3.5 mm headphone jack and a relatively inexpensive way to hold you over for a few years.


Also, I kind of feel like they need to drop the numbers now. iPhone 8, with the A11 chip running iOS 10. Just do like you did with the iPhone SE and call it "iPhone" and "iPhone Plus" and identify it by year of release if your selling the old models at a cheaper price.
Marketing psychology suggests you would not want to do that.

Maybe they should come up with a way not to end up in eventually having an iPhone 27, but the numbers, especially dropping the "S" suffix, are a nice subtle jab at the iPhone owner who can easily see without having to think just a moment when they bought it just how "far behind" they are with their older generation phone.

Oh look, my carrier offers me yearly upgrades!
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Oh look, my two years are up and I'm eligible for a new devices!

Glassed Silver:mac
 
Hundreds of years...lol. Love these posts.
You obviously haven't seen the company they bought and what they've developed. And please, enough with radio frequencies causing cancer, we've got RF everywhere and have done for hundreds of years now.
The wireless telegraph was developed in the 1890's. So not hundreds of years.

Also, the amount of power put off my common wireless transmitters such as WiFi is so minuscule by the time it reaches you, you're talking hundredths and thousandths of a watt, is nowhere near enough to charge a device. If you need to have 10-20W reaching your phone wirelessly, that's a LOT of RF and power to push that much energy over the air.
 
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I don't care who disagrees but Samsung's phones are far ahead of Apple in many ways. In screen technology, in features, and in design. There is nothing missing from their phones especially with the S7 and edge. They wouldn't have nearly flawless reviews for nothing.
 
I don't care who disagrees but Samsung's phones are far ahead of Apple in many ways. In screen technology, in features, and in design. There is nothing missing from their phones especially with the S7 and edge. They wouldn't have nearly flawless reviews for nothing.

^Someone who speaks from experience!

Look, Apple is beloved I get that. But seriously since touchID, what have they done to push forward? Let's pick it out: 1080p display or that 4.7" 750p display? No wireless charging but definitely battery draining. Thinner design with smaller battery? I'd give them the credit for their A-processors because their designs are just extremely efficient and performance for single task is amazing.

But then you look at iOS - tell me how much of a performance gain you get from these new A* series processors? It's like having a jet engine in a car but the tires, chassis can't handle the power. You guys like to compare how well iOS runs with 1GB ram vs android with 4GB ram but you fail to realize android does multitasking and has a ton more hardware features than the iPhone. You can't even do anything with your NFC chip except Apple Pay. Even wireless wifi performance is better on a Samsung than any iPhone.

The sad truth is that it's 2016 and this year's cycle will be the same old iPhone design again. aren't you sick o looking at that grid of icons you can't change? Seriously, if not for apple's promise to protect user privacy, I won't even consider it. I spoke before about lining up to buy the iPhone 7 but after buying the S7 edge, I don't even bother to look at the iPhone whatever. It's so outdated and Apple is deaf.

The problem is by 2018 you know Samsung will have done even more improvements and have much better displays (hard to believe). When Samsung reorganizes their NX team to implement their NX1/500 tech in a smartphone with near 1" sensor you will have the best of the best camera system in a smartphone. Apple does not have the technology and experience vs Samsung.
 
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