Ha ha, my thoughts exactly. Although I will say, I certainly wouldn't mind going back to those days of blissful ignorance. The world was a much more enjoyable place sans all the bias, agendas and ulterior motives.
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Anandtech: 47W Broadwell Processors launched today; 15" rMBP already outdated within two weeks
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Ha ha, my thoughts exactly. Although I will say, I certainly wouldn't mind going back to those days of blissful ignorance. The world was a much more enjoyable place sans all the bias, agendas and ulterior motives.
Indeed, especially when it comes to tech. Before you could just buy a computer, marvel at the speed, and enjoy the computer.
Now, you could literally drive yourself mad over all these CPU and GPU architectures and having the latest tech even if it's over a 5-10% performance increase; especially on these forums.
New
adjective, newer, newest.
1. of recent origin, production, purchase, etc.; having but lately come or been brought into being:
a new book.
Was the machine new when you bought it? Yes.
I'd say Apple is waiting for skylake and are working on integrating TB3.
Keeping the current version around allows them to sell the leftover chassis they have made, and keeping it at haswell will hopefully get some more people to buy the skylake+tb3 version when it comes out (than been content with broadwell).
Keeping the current version around allows them to sell the leftover chassis they have made, and keeping it at haswell will hopefully get some more people to buy the skylake+tb3 version when it comes out (than been content with broadwell).
What I see here is Apple deciding to wait until Skylake.
Getting rid of old stock; They probably had quite a lot of Haswell chips/boards left and in their eyes, it wouldn't make sense to just throw them out and start selling Broadwell systems when Skylake is around the corner. More cost efficient for Apple to sell what Haswell systems they had and buy any CPUs from Intel dirt cheap because of the Broadwell release.
"But if they're just getting rid of stock, why upgrade the GPU?": I see this as Apple testing the waters for what to put in the Skylake systems. Seeing how the market reacts to AMD chips. It is possible that Apple have tested a future low TDP AMD chip and possibly decided to start using their GPUs again.
I think we can expect a Skylake update in September. Of course this all depends on when Intel decides to release it. As for a redesign, I think we will see one.
Getting rid of old stock; They probably had quite a lot of Haswell chips/boards left and in their eyes, it wouldn't make sense to just throw them out and start selling Broadwell systems when Skylake is around the corner. More cost efficient for Apple to sell what Haswell systems they had and buy any CPUs from Intel dirt cheap because of the Broadwell release.
"But if they're just getting rid of stock, why upgrade the GPU?": I see this as Apple testing the waters for what to put in the Skylake systems. Seeing how the market reacts to AMD chips. It is possible that Apple have tested a future low TDP AMD chip and possibly decided to start using their GPUs again.
I think we can expect a Skylake update in September. Of course this all depends on when Intel decides to release it. As for a redesign, I think we will see one.
Well shoot.
This changes nothing but still manages to sting just a little.
Those of us in the know knew we were shelling out for slightly aged CPU tech.
But Intel announcing Broadwell now, right after the 15" was updated, somehow nails the point home rather harshly.
I know I'll be more than satisfied with my coming dGPU 15".
And I don't think I ever will manage to bring the 2,5GHz i7 Haswell to it's knees.
But it's that feeling, you know, the feeling that Broadwell computers will tease and pick on my Haswell Mac...
I tell you right now that if some beefed up Broadwell punk ass PC comes over and tries to make my Mac feel inadequate I will END THAT MOTHA!
Besides they won't be acting all tough once Skylake comes around, the ****s.
I seem to have derailed somewhat.
This changes nothing but still manages to sting just a little.
Those of us in the know knew we were shelling out for slightly aged CPU tech.
But Intel announcing Broadwell now, right after the 15" was updated, somehow nails the point home rather harshly.
I know I'll be more than satisfied with my coming dGPU 15".
And I don't think I ever will manage to bring the 2,5GHz i7 Haswell to it's knees.
But it's that feeling, you know, the feeling that Broadwell computers will tease and pick on my Haswell Mac...
I tell you right now that if some beefed up Broadwell punk ass PC comes over and tries to make my Mac feel inadequate I will END THAT MOTHA!
Besides they won't be acting all tough once Skylake comes around, the ****s.
I seem to have derailed somewhat.
Lets face it, since the iOS devices became Apples core business they don't care about the Macs as much. We used to get 1-2 updates a year on each line without compromise. That just hasn't happened the past 6-7 years.
They allowed the Mac Pro to go three years without a proper update. The current Mac Pro is outdated still. It uses DDR3 Memory and Ivy Bridge-EP. There is currently DDR4 supporting Haswell-EP XEON chips available and they have been out since last year.
And don't get me started about the Dual Socket removal. The Mac Pro went from workstation class dual sockets to a single socket trashbin which looks cute and is an innovative form factor, totally loses the whole point of using XEON's in the first place. They could have upgraded to that trash can design in 2012 instead of late 2013 had they just used Core i7's which are more appropriate for single socket use anyway and offer all the same PCIe lanes and memory sans ECC that no one buying the new Mac Pro needs anyway. It isn't a server, it doesn't have dual CPU's.
Same situation with the MacBook Pro's they axed the 17". A laptop many of us really loved. And now they release an updated MacBook that has a single port for everything. It's essentially as useful as an iPad with a keyboard. It scores just barely higher in GPU and GPU benchmarks than my 2009 MBP and runs Yosemite and 3rd party apps especially very poorly. Woefully underpowered for a Retina display. Meanwhile MacBook Air's no updates. Where are their Retina displays? They have better CPU and Graphics but not the display?!
Finally we get this 15" MacBook Pro update. Same 2.8K display since 2012 with all its quality issues. Yellowing, ghosting. Combined with 2013 CPU and a rebranded 2012 GPU from AMD that no one really wanted. Should have received a 950m even if it needed to be downclocked to fit within the thermal envelope Apple desires.
And if that wasn't enough they update them mere weeks before Broadwell chips get announced. They don't give the system a significant update for 1.5 years and then they do it just when the Broadwell chips are coming out. Like seriously? They could have waited 1.6 years instead and at least then it'd be up to date.
I could also say how they didn't put USB-C in the MacBook Pro even though the MacBook got one. That just seems silly to me actually, they present this super port on a lower quality machine you'd expect the rMBP 15" to get at least one or two of them.
Check this out:
The new Dell XPS 15" with razor thin bezels. Why doesn't the rMBP 15" look like that? its thick bezels have been the same since 2008. It looks ridiculous compared to even Dell now.
They allowed the Mac Pro to go three years without a proper update. The current Mac Pro is outdated still. It uses DDR3 Memory and Ivy Bridge-EP. There is currently DDR4 supporting Haswell-EP XEON chips available and they have been out since last year.
And don't get me started about the Dual Socket removal. The Mac Pro went from workstation class dual sockets to a single socket trashbin which looks cute and is an innovative form factor, totally loses the whole point of using XEON's in the first place. They could have upgraded to that trash can design in 2012 instead of late 2013 had they just used Core i7's which are more appropriate for single socket use anyway and offer all the same PCIe lanes and memory sans ECC that no one buying the new Mac Pro needs anyway. It isn't a server, it doesn't have dual CPU's.
Same situation with the MacBook Pro's they axed the 17". A laptop many of us really loved. And now they release an updated MacBook that has a single port for everything. It's essentially as useful as an iPad with a keyboard. It scores just barely higher in GPU and GPU benchmarks than my 2009 MBP and runs Yosemite and 3rd party apps especially very poorly. Woefully underpowered for a Retina display. Meanwhile MacBook Air's no updates. Where are their Retina displays? They have better CPU and Graphics but not the display?!
Finally we get this 15" MacBook Pro update. Same 2.8K display since 2012 with all its quality issues. Yellowing, ghosting. Combined with 2013 CPU and a rebranded 2012 GPU from AMD that no one really wanted. Should have received a 950m even if it needed to be downclocked to fit within the thermal envelope Apple desires.
And if that wasn't enough they update them mere weeks before Broadwell chips get announced. They don't give the system a significant update for 1.5 years and then they do it just when the Broadwell chips are coming out. Like seriously? They could have waited 1.6 years instead and at least then it'd be up to date.
I could also say how they didn't put USB-C in the MacBook Pro even though the MacBook got one. That just seems silly to me actually, they present this super port on a lower quality machine you'd expect the rMBP 15" to get at least one or two of them.
Check this out:
The new Dell XPS 15" with razor thin bezels. Why doesn't the rMBP 15" look like that? its thick bezels have been the same since 2008. It looks ridiculous compared to even Dell now.
I think they will drop the dGPU in the Skylake redesign and they know that will upset a good lot of people. So they will make this last update as unattractive as possible while still doing an update, to make sure people don't get hung up on getting refurbs or bitching about an effective downgrade.
Otherwise they would have done an upgrade worthy of a 3000$ notebook, waiting a month for broadwell and using the most efficient gpu architecture out there, rather than the cheaper alternative. The strange thing about the update isn't just how underwhelming it was, but why wait so long for it. It means they made the decision relatively late because the cpus have been around and a relabeled amd gpu they could have had any time they wanted. They could have released that notebook alongside the 13" months ago but they waited. Or Intel was just not able to ship those Broadwell chips in high enough quantities because yield is still not great, but then why does Intel bother at all, those chips aren't even selling for that much money ($276,$366). They are not like some $500-1000 low volume highend chips.
Otherwise they would have done an upgrade worthy of a 3000$ notebook, waiting a month for broadwell and using the most efficient gpu architecture out there, rather than the cheaper alternative. The strange thing about the update isn't just how underwhelming it was, but why wait so long for it. It means they made the decision relatively late because the cpus have been around and a relabeled amd gpu they could have had any time they wanted. They could have released that notebook alongside the 13" months ago but they waited. Or Intel was just not able to ship those Broadwell chips in high enough quantities because yield is still not great, but then why does Intel bother at all, those chips aren't even selling for that much money ($276,$366). They are not like some $500-1000 low volume highend chips.
This rant was beautiful. Thank you.Lets face it, since the iOS devices became Apples core business they don't care about the Macs as much. We used to get 1-2 updates a year on each line without compromise. That just hasn't happened the past 6-7 years.
They allowed the Mac Pro to go three years without a proper update. The current Mac Pro is outdated still. It uses DDR3 Memory and Ivy Bridge-EP. There is currently DDR4 supporting Haswell-EP XEON chips available and they have been out since last year.
And don't get me started about the Dual Socket removal. The Mac Pro went from workstation class dual sockets to a single socket trashbin which looks cute and is an innovative form factor, totally loses the whole point of using XEON's in the first place. They could have upgraded to that trash can design in 2012 instead of late 2013 had they just used Core i7's which are more appropriate for single socket use anyway and offer all the same PCIe lanes and memory sans ECC that no one buying the new Mac Pro needs anyway. It isn't a server, it doesn't have dual CPU's.
Same situation with the MacBook Pro's they axed the 17". A laptop many of us really loved. And now they release an updated MacBook that has a single port for everything. It's essentially as useful as an iPad with a keyboard. It scores just barely higher in GPU and GPU benchmarks than my 2009 MBP and runs Yosemite and 3rd party apps especially very poorly. Woefully underpowered for a Retina display. Meanwhile MacBook Air's no updates. Where are their Retina displays? They have better CPU and Graphics but not the display?!
Finally we get this 15" MacBook Pro update. Same 2.8K display since 2012 with all its quality issues. Yellowing, ghosting. Combined with 2013 CPU and a rebranded 2012 GPU from AMD that no one really wanted. Should have received a 950m even if it needed to be downclocked to fit within the thermal envelope Apple desires.
And if that wasn't enough they update them mere weeks before Broadwell chips get announced. They don't give the system a significant update for 1.5 years and then they do it just when the Broadwell chips are coming out. Like seriously? They could have waited 1.6 years instead and at least then it'd be up to date.
I could also say how they didn't put USB-C in the MacBook Pro even though the MacBook got one. That just seems silly to me actually, they present this super port on a lower quality machine you'd expect the rMBP 15" to get at least one or two of them.
Check this out:
The new Dell XPS 15" with razor thin bezels. Why doesn't the rMBP 15" look like that? its thick bezels have been the same since 2008. It looks ridiculous compared to even Dell now.
Lets face it, since the iOS devices became Apples core business they don't care about the Macs as much. We used to get 1-2 updates a year on each line without compromise. That just hasn't happened the past 6-7 years.
They allowed the Mac Pro to go three years without a proper update. The current Mac Pro is outdated still. It uses DDR3 Memory and Ivy Bridge-EP. There is currently DDR4 supporting Haswell-EP XEON chips available and they have been out since last year.
And don't get me started about the Dual Socket removal. The Mac Pro went from workstation class dual sockets to a single socket trashbin which looks cute and is an innovative form factor, totally loses the whole point of using XEON's in the first place. They could have upgraded to that trash can design in 2012 instead of late 2013 had they just used Core i7's which are more appropriate for single socket use anyway and offer all the same PCIe lanes and memory sans ECC that no one buying the new Mac Pro needs anyway. It isn't a server, it doesn't have dual CPU's.
Same situation with the MacBook Pro's they axed the 17". A laptop many of us really loved. And now they release an updated MacBook that has a single port for everything. It's essentially as useful as an iPad with a keyboard. It scores just barely higher in GPU and GPU benchmarks than my 2009 MBP and runs Yosemite and 3rd party apps especially very poorly. Woefully underpowered for a Retina display. Meanwhile MacBook Air's no updates. Where are their Retina displays? They have better CPU and Graphics but not the display?!
Finally we get this 15" MacBook Pro update. Same 2.8K display since 2012 with all its quality issues. Yellowing, ghosting. Combined with 2013 CPU and a rebranded 2012 GPU from AMD that no one really wanted. Should have received a 950m even if it needed to be downclocked to fit within the thermal envelope Apple desires.
And if that wasn't enough they update them mere weeks before Broadwell chips get announced. They don't give the system a significant update for 1.5 years and then they do it just when the Broadwell chips are coming out. Like seriously? They could have waited 1.6 years instead and at least then it'd be up to date.
I could also say how they didn't put USB-C in the MacBook Pro even though the MacBook got one. That just seems silly to me actually, they present this super port on a lower quality machine you'd expect the rMBP 15" to get at least one or two of them.
Check this out:
The new Dell XPS 15" with razor thin bezels. Why doesn't the rMBP 15" look like that? its thick bezels have been the same since 2008. It looks ridiculous compared to even Dell now.
The RMPB is certainly falling behind the Dell XPS. Never thought that would happen!
Apple is a one hit wonder company. Almost all of their profit comes from the iPhone. So, they put all their time and effort into creating an iPhone companion (the iWatch, yes I know what it's really called!).
Anyway, one good thing about the lack of updates these days is that may late 2013 15' rMBP is still basically the newest model. LOL
Man, Dell is hitting it hard. That XPS 15 looks amazing. The only catch with those thin bezels is the fact that the light sensor and webcam has to be placed in a stupid spot at the bottom. Dell did a good job hiding the fact that the bottom bezel is noticeably larger despite the thin top and side bezels. Nothing really special. Apple could do the same thing if they made the bottom bezel large to put in the webcam. Hopefully Apple can take note and redesign the rMBP without making have only 2 USB-C ports.
I also wouldn't say that Apple doesn't care about Mac. Mac makes Apple more money than the iPad, according to the last financial report.
I also wouldn't say that Apple doesn't care about Mac. Mac makes Apple more money than the iPad, according to the last financial report.
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@ the underlined: To appease the pissing and moaning of those who bitch about the newest chips being in there..a la this thread.
As for the skyline update...think wireless.
I think you may have misread what I said, I didn't say "Apple doesn't care about the Mac" I said, "since the iOS devices became Apple's core business they don't care about the Macs as much."
Where I said as much to mean, they don't care as much as they used to. It is no longer their core focus. Back when Steve came back lets say 1997-2001 their only focus was Computers and Mac OS 8-9 / Mac OS X. Then 2001 we got the iPod, the Macs definitely lost a little focus but they still retained frequent updates and attention.
But since the iPhone things have switched. The Mac was their core focus it was where they made the majority of their profit, now that's the iPhone and their product cycles reflect that.
Every year we get a new iPhone. They've made their own Tick-Tock cycle like Intel. New design, then next year same design but upgraded internals. There is no such cadance when it comes to the Macs.
Here we go again, I guess many here like spending >$3000 on laptops using 2-3 year old cpu/gpus. I guess if you use a rmbp15 as a giant iPad it wouldn't matter I guess...
First it's skylake, not a Nissan car. Second, you won't see wireless charging on a laptop that needs 85 watts to charge. Usb c charging, maybe, but that handles up to 100 watts anyway. The rMB only uses around 30 watts to charge so that may be a possibility.
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Nothing "wireless" will come with skylake except maybe wireless displays which we already have with airplay.
Apple doesn't even let you charge your iphone wirelessly ..you really think a MBP is going to get wireless charging?
It would be extremely impractical.
I second that comment - I enjoyed the rant, its pessimistic yet true.
Several years back I had an XPS 15 with a quad i7 and a superb RGB IPS display that was ideal for mobile photo editing. I eventually gave it up because it was neither fish nor fowl (too big for real portability, too limited compared to what a desktop machine could do). Dell is capable of producing very competitive hardware, as are HP and Lenovo. Resting on your laurels is not smart...
Expecting quality and value are core concepts at Apple, no? But then again so is this defensive mentality of the so-called "sheep" who claim that any questions about the products are a fools vice. What you are referring to as "pissing and moaning," could also be called "the invisible hand."
I liked Apple the technology company far more than Apple plays Burberry. Why is iOS 8 so buggy? Why is Yosemite so taxing on the hardware? Why did the iPhone 5 need two product recalls? What the hell happened to the legendary QC at Apple? What happened to making a Pro product for your geeks? Just my perspective at the moment, Mate. I agree the 15" Pro is awesome, but I ENTIRELY understand the frustration some are expressing.
Re the 2015 update.
I think people who need a new fast Macbook Pro should upgrade, but NOT if you already have a sandy bridge processor or newer (i.e. a Retina) as the difference will be mostly negligible regardless in day to day operation.
The latest upgrade is a worthy one. Sure the dGPU could be better, but it is 50% better than the nvidia 750m so that shouldn't be sneezed at. Also the trackpad is newer. And as for the hard drive being 2000mbps or whatever blows ALL the competition out of the water.
Apple is currently using up its stock of Haswell for now and will very quietly drop-in and upgrade the processor to Broadwell with no fanfare whatsoever. This website will do it for them and the additional speed increase from that alone will be also negligible.
I would guess that a new full redesign of Macbook will occur in September with skylake.
My two cents.
I think people who need a new fast Macbook Pro should upgrade, but NOT if you already have a sandy bridge processor or newer (i.e. a Retina) as the difference will be mostly negligible regardless in day to day operation.
The latest upgrade is a worthy one. Sure the dGPU could be better, but it is 50% better than the nvidia 750m so that shouldn't be sneezed at. Also the trackpad is newer. And as for the hard drive being 2000mbps or whatever blows ALL the competition out of the water.
Apple is currently using up its stock of Haswell for now and will very quietly drop-in and upgrade the processor to Broadwell with no fanfare whatsoever. This website will do it for them and the additional speed increase from that alone will be also negligible.
I would guess that a new full redesign of Macbook will occur in September with skylake.
My two cents.
The thing I'm struggling to understand is who are these people whose day-to-day usage stresses the haswell chips found in the 2015 rMBP.
My cpu load rarely exceeds 25%
Maybe it has to do with your job. I use my rMBP 4 cores heavily with editing 4K video and 36MP DSLR RAW images on the road. Both my CPU/GPU get the workout and routinely get 100% utilization. If your CPU load never stresses 25%, you would've been perfectly served with the 5 watt cpu in the rMB or the dual core on a 13" rMBP. Some of us have been wanting a quad in the 13" for years....