I just soldered an extra GPU onto my Macbook Pro. Looks like the Skylake rMBP will be out of date the day it is released.
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Anandtech: 47W Broadwell Processors launched today; 15" rMBP already outdated within two weeks
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I just soldered an extra GPU onto my Macbook Pro. Looks like the Skylake rMBP will be out of date the day it is released.
The petulant whining and armchair quarterbacking in this thread is hilarious.
These chips are not available for *at least* another month, more likely two.
If Apple had delayed the update to the 15" (remember all the childish whining about how Apple were "abandoning" the "real" users because the 13" got updated an the 15" didn't?) for a further 2 months I think the world might have drowned under the tears.
It's extremely obvious that Apple knew these were on the way but decided to skip them. Either they will drop them in silently when they become available in bulk in two months time (hilarious that the original poster thinks Apple could ship these in a 15" MBP in 2 weeks) or they'll simply ignore them entirely until Skylake.
Don't worry Chicken Little, the sky is not falling.
These chips are not available for *at least* another month, more likely two.
If Apple had delayed the update to the 15" (remember all the childish whining about how Apple were "abandoning" the "real" users because the 13" got updated an the 15" didn't?) for a further 2 months I think the world might have drowned under the tears.
It's extremely obvious that Apple knew these were on the way but decided to skip them. Either they will drop them in silently when they become available in bulk in two months time (hilarious that the original poster thinks Apple could ship these in a 15" MBP in 2 weeks) or they'll simply ignore them entirely until Skylake.
Don't worry Chicken Little, the sky is not falling.
I know right? **** us for paying £2,000 for 3 year old graphics and 2 year old CPU's. We should swallow whatever Apple sells and like it!
I know right? **** us for paying £2,000 for 3 year old graphics and 2 year old CPU's. We should swallow whatever Apple sells and like it!
When you look at this from a what makes sense standpoint, it would seem that Apple has positioned this machine to be Broadwell ready with some other enhancements such as Force Touch and those insane SSDs. Skylake will be a redesign. This move buys them time.
The way I broke it down FOR ME, is this: I'll be fine with Haswell when Broadwell launches and as far as the dGPU goes, this AMD chip is a 2-3 year old desktop chip, so I'm fine with that as well. When Apple releases the redesigned Skylake machines, some legacy technologies are probably going to be left behind. I will either be okay with this and take advantage of the high resell value of my current machine when others freak out over change OR I will freak out over change (not wild about the new MacBook over the Air) and keep this new 15".
Either way, at least I'm not on Windows.
Or I can not buy it, and discuss it on a forum!
You aren't disussing it. You are just denigrating a perfectly acceptable product that is still using the best available technology (dGPU excepted). It is no different in price or technology to any other high end laptop you can buy.
You have no idea wether they will do a silent broadwell update when the chips are available and no idea what their GPU plans are. The New dGPU is 50-80% faster than the last one in all benchmarks and is a big step up I just can't see what they have done that should get you so annoyed, apart from release a new product, like most of the numpties on here were clamouring for 2 weeks ago...
haha, I'm not going to stop posting because you don't like what I say, I recommend you go into the forum settings and set me to ignore to save yourself from my posts.
I wopuldn't expect you too, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of expecting apple to make something with parts which aren't available for them to use. If it stops some other people from listening to this nonsense I'm happy.
The point is, everyone else in the industry will be moving to Broadwell and have already upgraded to the GTX 960 which is not a 3 year old GPU rebranded. The GTX 960 blows the doors off the M370X. Apple didn't use it because it doesn't fit within their thermal envelope.
The problem is other manufacturers have been able to work that GPU in to their laptops, some of them as thin or thinner than the rMBP. Take the Razer Blade for example, yes it's a gaming notebook so it has a great GPU but it's also as thin as the rMBP 15" is. Surprising for a gaming notebook. It also has a higher DPI screen and all flash storage but I'll not list out its whole spec.
Apples been offering the same Haswell chips since 2013, slight bump in 2014 I give you that, 100MHz or so. Nothing ground breaking or noticeable outside of a geekbench score. Its been 1.5 years since they put Haswell in. Broadwell is about to launch with quad cores Apple could use, but instead of waiting just a little while longer they jumped the gun on this seemingly needless pointless update just to look like they did something.
Meanwhile other manufacturers like Dell with the new XPS 15" will be using the latest (this years) graphics and CPU's.
Now don't misunderstand me the rMBP 15" is a great product. But is it worth the price? No. It's not. And I say that because you can get much better specced machines, ones that look as good, weigh as much and offer the same auxilary features (glass trackpad, backlight keyboards, super high DPI screens) for less money.
Asus for example with their ZenBook Pro UX501. Yes that's really its name ZenBook Pro. https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ZenBook_Pro_UX501/specifications/
Comes with a 4K IPS display, GTX 960 with 2GB of RAM and a i7 4720HQ CPU. Yes Haswell, but it will get Broadwell, sooner than the MacBook Pro because Asus has no qualms about continually updating their laptops with the latest available chips. They don't drip drip drip releases like Apple does. But even so the GTX 960 is up to date, the M370X isn't. It doesn't use AMD's latest technology like the GTX 960 uses NVIDIA's latest Maxwell architecture.
One last thing I need to mention, Apple will be redesigning the rMBP soon, a radical redesign. It's about time for one, USB-C is gaining momentum, Thunderbolt 3 will be using USB-C, the MacBook has gained colour options. No one here wants to buy the last laptop just before such a drastic redesign, we keep our laptops for 3-4 years, we don't upgrade them yearly so the first time some of us can get our hands on the new redesign with the future facing design will be in several years from now. Would you buy an iPhone 4S today knowing the iPhone 6 design was 6 months away or less? I wouldn't.
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Enjoy that Asus trackpad. The only thing that shudders more is me when I use it.
In the past Apple was better than the industry, that's the difference. Now they're worse, shipping outdated technology, lower specced screens. You can't even use mission control or scroll a webpage without stuttering on these 2 grand laptops from Apple. Complete joke.
When I had the 2015 MBP for a few days, I wasn't seeing any stuttering in the UI. I am starting to get a kick out of the "Apple didn't use a 9x0m GPU because it exceeds their thermal envelope" argument. None of us work in their R&D, and these guys have literally unlimited funds to build anything they want. They could use a hotter chip and solve the cooling problem in about fifteen minutes with redesigned cooling. Who has better engineers, Razer or Apple? Who has more resources? Would really like to see Apple drop some hardware that left us speechless.
They still have to manufacture each one to a price point. If either the increased cooling or the nVidia GPU exceeded this budget, it won't happen. Simple as that.
My point is there is no argument, Apple do what they do if you don't like it buy something else I can't say this enough.
They have no need nor intention of doing anything but exactly how and when they want to, you can either deal with that and buy the best fit for you or move your purchases to another manufacturer. Whining whinging aguing and moaning won't change anything and just makes you seem like a bunch of "whiney little girls" as Chuck Finlay would say....
Doesn't keep them from selling an iMac 5k specced up for 4200 bucks, or a nMP 12 core box for almost ten grand. They could have built a higher end machine as a BTO option for a GeForce 970m and charge 300-500 more for "Advanced Graphics and Cooling." I would have checked that box in a heartbeat.
Well it's a big difference. The 750m was 50 Watts, the 960m is 75 Watts. The entire laptop thermal envelope is 97 Watts. Using the 960m would have pushed that to 122. That would have required beefed up cooling and probably a reduction in battery life or a thicker notebook to accommodate more battery capacity.
Did Apple want to make it larger and noisier or did they want the best graphics? I think we all know having owned Apple machines over the past decade that they tend to favour form over function.
You do realise this is a forum right? Where people come to discuss Apples stuff. That is the whole point of us being here. This isn't ApplesTheGreatest.com - People are entitled to share their opinions. You're the only one in here whining in my opinion.
You might, but how many others would? Projected sales is about as important as the manufacture cost and profit margin. That's why the 17" model was discontinued, it didn't sell enough.
Right, and the opinions being posted here are being shot down and those that do that are being accused of "just wanting to take whatever Apple puts up".
I addressed the point that the original poster made that the new 15" would be obsolete in 2 weeks because Intel announced CPUs that won't be shipping for at least another 1 to 2 months. Apparently Apple are meant to just magic the parts out of thin air and sell them. This assumes that Apple are going to use the chips at all - there's no indication that they will.
dGPU aside (the choice of AMD is perplexing, especially given the horror show that is the 5k iMac), the fact that new CPUs have been announced doesn't suddenly make the MBP obsolete.
This is especially true given that those who are really caring about the generation of CPU in their MBP already knew that the MBP was refreshed without a CPU change and would have held off anyway.
The way some people are talking in this thread it's as if the new 15" MBP suddenly became a doorstop because Intel announced their intention to make delayed Broadwell CPUs available in 2 months.
Nothing wrong with discusiing it, thousands of posts of people whinging about the same old crap that hasn't changed in 15 years (apple doesn't use the GPU I like, Apple got rid of my favourite legacy port, Apple doesn't use the most powerful hardware blah blah blah) is another matter entirely. It's pointless, stupid and hasn't ever changed a thing.
This is how apple operate and have done for as long as I have been using their products, they always go for the middle ground not the best at anything but the best balance and all round experience for the majority.
This hasn't changed since 2000, at least, if that is not what your computing needs are then you are looking in the wrong place and have had many years to work that out. As your post above seemingly indicates you already know this. Therefore you are not only bitching and whining about something needlessly but you knew it was going to happen.
People are entitled to their opinions of course but saying and doing the same thing over and over with every mac release is bordering on obsessive and is definitely silly.
Everyone had the same things to say last year and the year before and the one before that. These posts are boring, pointless, unhelpful and make no sense.
I am not defending apples choices technically I am defending their right to make what they want and charge what they like in a capitalist society.
If that isn't your bag I just can't see why you'd buy their products, I don't like windows or android and few of the manufacturers that use those OSes make hardware I'm enamoured of either but you don't see me sat on their forums slagging them off.
Why is this?? Because I know I'm not going to like their stuff so I have nothing constructive to say about it, there is no point in me saying anything then, all I'd do is rile up people who like it and start ridiculous boring conversations in a world that has so much choice that moaning about any product is ridiculous.
Personally I don't care about the Haswell-Broadwell thing. I care more about the 2.5K display since 2012 and the M370X being a three year old rebrand.
AMD does a lot of rebrands. The 390X desktop part coming out soon is a rebrand of the 290X from 2013 just with 8GB of memory instead of 4GB. They are going to release a new super expensive GPU called the Radeon Fury X which will be completely brand new but it'll cost more money and even with that on sale the 390X sounds new, but it's not. NVIDIA has done the same in the past 650m and 750m for example were the same just clocked differently but at least their current lineup the 960 970 980 etc are all new stuff, no rebrands there.
I disagree with this. The 2012 rMBP and 2013 rMBP were good and upto date. The 2013 model especially. I had no problems with it specification wise, it lead the pack, other manufacturers were slower to update to Haswell and didn't use the ones with Iris Pro for a long time.
AMD does a lot of rebrands. The 390X desktop part coming out soon is a rebrand of the 290X from 2013 just with 8GB of memory instead of 4GB. They are going to release a new super expensive GPU called the Radeon Fury X which will be completely brand new but it'll cost more money and even with that on sale the 390X sounds new, but it's not. NVIDIA has done the same in the past 650m and 750m for example were the same just clocked differently but at least their current lineup the 960 970 980 etc are all new stuff, no rebrands there.
I disagree with this. The 2012 rMBP and 2013 rMBP were good and upto date. The 2013 model especially. I had no problems with it specification wise, it lead the pack, other manufacturers were slower to update to Haswell and didn't use the ones with Iris Pro for a long time.
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And if that happens, just you watch: there will be people raising hell over that decision, because suddenly their perfect-fine 15" MBPrs are "obsolete." I wouldn't be surprised if a class action lawsuit were suggested, along with the usual "Apple shafted everyone" rhetoric.
There is one question that needs to be asked when buying a Mac, or any computer: "Will it suit my needs now, and suit my anticipated needs of as long as I want to own this thing?" If the answer is yes, buy it. Just because a new design is down the road (and there's is always a new design down the road), it doesn't mean your existing computer will suddenly stop working.