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For someone who (based on what you've said) appears to work for Apple either as an employee or contractor, do you really think you should be handing out this information about what Apple does? Especially when you add your own little "Apple is no more private than Google" spin to it?

Would you rather I sit quietly and withdraw myself from the fact it exists?
 
Android names are easy to tell which version is older which is newer. It's in alphabetical order: Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice cream sandwich, Jellybean, Kitkat, Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat, Oreo, Pie.
Why did they skip a and b?
 
someone new to Android phones would have no idea what the last letter they stopped at for the OS. Also, carrier reps get incentives to push certain phones old or new.
It doesn't matter anyways. With Android, if you want the latest version, you have to buy the newest phones. Updates? Fuhgeddaboudit.:p Or install a custom ROM like any power users worth his salt would. Android give you unprecedented freedom, but at a cost. You need to watch your own back. It's as FDR said, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

I like android phones, especially since I've got a custom ROM installed that's pure Android without any of the manufacturer's bloatware/spyware. And with it being rooted/jail broken, I have a firewall so some misbehaving app can't drain my data plan and I can block advertisements.
 
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So you're admitting that only 5% of Android users care about those features, and that the other 95% don't have a clue? And you realize that the next iOS update supports most of those that you just listed?
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So you're saying that "Android 10" is pronounced "Android X" in much the same way that "iPhone XR" is pronounced iPhone Ex-Arrrrr"? :p
The X in Iphone is pronounced 10, so Google will pronounce 10 as X.
 
Apple collects data. Google collects data. Facebook collects data. Therefore they are equal. It’s a logical fallacy - false equivalency.

It’s asinine to claim Apple and Google are the same just because their contracts/TOS are similar or they can perform similar functions (like your example of accessing a user location).

Is it incorrect to say that their TOS's grant them the same opportunities and privileges?

What makes Apple's privacy preachings suspect is that Apple is intentionally vague about who and what they are cautioning about. Is it Google's business model? Is it the lesser known data scavengers that populate the web? Is it the analytics firms—or their clients who use this knowledge?

It's naive to believe that Apple's privacy accommodations are a moral undertaking. It may be Cook's personal belief that it should be, but Apple's PR hasn't made any public appearances to acknowledge it's a concern. Marketing has only exploited the paranoia.

At the end of the day, Apple... Google... Facebook... are "guilty" of the same motive. They all want you to trust their surveillance so that they can market products to you.
 
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Android names are easy to tell which version is older which is newer. It's in alphabetical order: Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice cream sandwich, Jellybean, Kitkat, Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat, Oreo, Pie.

Oh, for real? I never actually saw that. lol
 
My biggest issue with Android is the lack of day 1 software update support. Depending on your phone model, you never know when the latest version of Android will be available for your handset. Totally different from iOS. This is rather a huge deal for me, as in these times where hacks and leaks are prevalent, I would want my devices to be the most secure possible. Android doesn't guarantee that and until they do, I will be sticking to iOS for time to come....
 
Android names are easy to tell which version is older which is newer. It's in alphabetical order: Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice cream sandwich, Jellybean, Kitkat, Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat, Oreo, Pie.

...and I fully expected the new one to be called Quiche. I guess not.
 
Is it incorrect to say that their TOS's grant them the same opportunities and privileges?

What makes Apple's privacy preachings suspect is that Apple is intentionally vague about who and what they are cautioning about. Is it Google's business model? Is it the lesser known data scavengers that populate the web? Is it the analytics firms—or their clients who use this knowledge?

It's naive to believe that Apple's privacy accommodations are a moral undertaking. It may be Cook's personal belief that it should be, but Apple's PR hasn't made any public appearances to acknowledge it's a concern. Marketing has only exploited the paranoia.

Apple, Google and everyone else are also vague. That's because their boilerplate contracts/TOS are written to cover all generic possible scenarios or uses of data. It's ridiculous to claim that because Apple does many of the same things as Google that they are somehow the same.

Last year Apple made (according to estimates) around $0.5 billion in ad revenues, or about 0.2% of total revenue. Google made $116 billion in ad revenues, or about 88% of their total revenues.

Gee, I guess Apple and Google are both the same since they both use our data to make money off ads.


At the end of the day, Apple... Google... Facebook... are "guilty" of the same motive. They all want you to trust their surveillance so that they can market products to you.

Perfect example of false equivalence.
 
Google has been getting onto that with project Treble. That separates out the low level hardware layer from the OS. This allows for much faster updates as the hardware vendors do not have to update code to work with newer OS.
It been ongoing but in theory it should speed up update speeds and 2 make it a lot easier for manufactures to get out updates. I would not be surprised to see Google find a way longer term to get it to happen even faster with at least smaller releases.

Yeah, Google has been coming up with all sorts of "initiatives" over the years to deal with the ridiculous update problem. Way back in 2011 they started with the Android Update Alliance which was dead merely a year later. Project Treble is just another in a long line of attempts to try and deal with an issue that Google created and should have prevented from day one. Now they have Project Mainline, which gives Google control over more of Android to allow them to issue security updates directly to users (without having to go through carriers/OEMs). They can't update ALL of Android, and they can't issue full version updates, but they can get out security updates for a bigger chunk of Android.

Even if Android 11 finally made it possible for Google to handle all updates themselves, based on Androids adoption rates it would still be a couple more years before every device was running it. So maybe by 2023 Google will have finally caught up to what iOS has had since the beginning.
 
I'm thinking of picking up a Google Pixel for testing, looks like I have an exciting reason to wait - lots of cool new stuff in this update, naming aside.
 
The real reason I dropped Android for IOS was for the inconsistency within their eco system. I would start to enjoy a native app then "BAM! Right in the kisser" they would announce that it would be changed out for a different app. This further solidifies my distaste for Android and how they do not really plan for the future.
The joke of course, is that there is no such thing as native code or native apps on lagdroid, everything is emulated on a Java Virtual Machine (which is why they got sued by Oracle for copying how it works), and the lag is never far away
 
iOS and Android target different markets so neither is more correct than the other. Android is more versatile as a computer replacement while iOS is more simple since it does less. So, while single ecosystem fanboys dwell only on updates which is only a small subset of the overall picture, Android is further advance in features, has better apps compatibility with older Android versions (minimum target recently changed from Android 5 to 6 while current is 9), still support 32-bit apps vs a lot of 32-bit iOS apps lost that haven't been updated, several system updates delivered through Google Play Store, hardware specs more feature proof, etc. so Android devices have longer usable life. Personally, I like the versatility of Android over my iOS devices but recommend iOS to retirees I help out so there's room for both.

I agree that there is room for both, but I would not recommend iOS to computer-savvy elderly folks. I believe it would frustrate them, because of the learning curve required.

The many flavors of Android out there could frustrate them as well, but I only know Samsung's, and that is the closest to a PC-in-my-pocket as I've seen yet, especially with DeX.
 
Apple, Google and everyone else are also vague. That's because their boilerplate contracts/TOS are written to cover all generic possible scenarios or uses of data. It's ridiculous to claim that because Apple does many of the same things as Google that they are somehow the same.

Last year Apple made (according to estimates) around $0.5 billion in ad revenues, or about 0.2% of total revenue. Google made $116 billion in ad revenues, or about 88% of their total revenues.

Gee, I guess Apple and Google are both the same since they both use our data to make money off ads.

Perfect example of false equivalence.

You suffer from tunnel vision and and an inability to understand abstractions. Apple and Google are BOTH using surveillance for marketing purposes. Google's primary product is targeted advertising. Apple's is its hardware and services. In BOTH examples, YOU are the target and the data serves the same purpose.
 
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