Android Continues to Have More Loyal Customers Than iOS

[I7guy]

It's amazing as an iPod OS but terrible as a modern computer replacement OS. In terms of being closer to a computer replacement...

Linux/Windows/MacOS > ChromeOS/Android > iOS

In terms of the “just works” benchmark:

iOS/macOS > Linux> chromeos > windows> android.

As far as the efficacy of the survey where is our resident survey expert @john123 ?

 

[MrX8503]

When things don't work with iPhone (and there are many of them - esp. interconnectivity), you are dead in the water.

Lag? In all the speed test s8/s9 kills the iPhone in opening most normal apps. Plus apple purposely slows down your iPhone to have annoying lags. Iphone just cannot make it.

I’ve spent a lot less time troubleshooting on Apple’s platform than any other.

Yes lag. Android still has jank animation and the device slows down over time.

 

[rbrian]

I'm genuinely curious about what the many other things are that Android users say can be done with that OS compared to iOS. I understand the screens and icons / widgets / whatever can make for a more custom feel (which is appealing)... but I can't think of anything else that's truly different. What are other non-subjective things that make Android OS more flexible?

The one thing for me is downloading music for my fitness class. I teach Fatburn Extreme, it’s a lot like metafit, with the instructions and timings included on the track, which I download from their website. On Android, I download the new monthly track directly onto the phone, and add it to a playlist. On iOS, I can’t do that. I have to download the track onto a PC, drag it into iTunes, add it to the playlist, then sync with my iPhone. It feels like 2007 all over again! Not only is the iPhone more expensive, but I have to use another piece of hardware to do something which my £40 Android can do all by itself.

 

[ANTAWNM26]

I will say this if google can some how compete with iMessage I’m gone.

 

[TiggrToo]

I'm not attacking just stating facts.

What 'facts' were you stating? You are aware, I hope, that a fact is something that can be independently verified (e.g. Apple sell the iPhone is a fact).

You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a thought, a presumption, a belief or a feeling is somehow synonymous with a fact when the truth is they're totally different.

 

[1050792]

What 'facts' were you stating? You are aware, I hope, that a fact is something that can be independently verified (e.g. Apple sell the iPhone is a fact).

You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a thought, a presumption, a belief or a feeling is somehow synonymous with a fact when the truth is they're totally different.

The fact that people waste $1000 for a phone that does the same as a $200 one for almost 99% of smartphone owners. You can deny it but you know it's true.

 

[I7guy]

The fact that people waste $1000 for a phone that does the same as a $200 one for almost 99% of smartphone owners. You can deny it but you know it's true.

That is all subjective and is YOUR point of view only. How can you tell me how to spend my money and whether (or not) I get value out of what I am purchasing? You can't. You can only speak for yourself, maybe a few family members, etc.

You took your views and created a general statement, totally subjective in nature.

In addition, you get what you pay for. I'd rather have my $1000, buy 5 years of support, from a company who is known to support it's products, with great customer service.

 

[TiggrToo]

The fact that people waste $1000 for a phone that does the same as a $200 one for almost 99% of smartphone owners. You can deny it but you know it's true.

That's not a fact. It's an assumption at best - and a horribly naive and subjective one at that. Please try again.

For this to be even remotely close to a 'fact' you need to document how the 99% figure is calculated, what your error rate for sampling is and how big your sample is (you have to use a sample),what your controls are and most importantly, what the use case is for the devices.

You cannot provide any of that. You have not provided a fact. You can try and convince yourself otherwise, but you'd be totally wrong.

Nothing in your statement can be proven independently. You have no fact.

 

[1050792]

That's not a fact. It's an assumption at best - and a horribly naive and subjective one at that. Please try again.

For this to be even remotely close to a 'fact' you need to document how the 99% figure is calculated, what your error rate for sampling is and how big your sample is (you have to use a sample),what your controls are and most importantly, what the use case is for the devices.

You cannot provide any of that. You have not provided a fact. You can try and convince yourself otherwise, but you'd be totally wrong.

Nothing in your statement can be proven independently. You have no fact.

You can write huge walls of texts while contradicting what I said as a fact and trying to explain your own view but it still won't change what I said, which is true. Take for example most smartphone users they use social media apps at most, those can and will have the same performance in either a cheap $200 or an expensive fruit phone $1000. This whole quoting conversation was for the simple fact that you refuse to understand that when it comes to Apple products 99% of the users buy based on pride not usability/ux/performance.

 

[I7guy]

You can write huge walls of texts while contradicting what I said as a fact and trying to explain your own view but it still won't change what I said, which is true. Take for example most smartphone users they use social media apps at most, those can and will have the same performance in either a cheap $200 or an expensive fruit phone $1000. This whole quoting conversation was for the simple fact that you refuse to understand that when it comes to Apple products 99% of the users buy based on pride not usability/ux/performance.

Your post is a load of hyperbole. You are merely aggrandizing your own conformational biases.

 

[1050792]

Your post is a load of hyperbole. You are merely aggrandizing your own conformational biases.

Not really, and you know aswell who are those 99% of users

 

[I7guy]

Not really, and you know aswell who are those 99% of users

No I don’t. Please provide a citation.

 

[1050792]

No I don’t. Please provide a citation.

Go out to the world, check how your friends use their phones, you'll see 99% of them using social media apps and youtube, be it cheap Android phone or expensive iPhone they all use the same apps

 

[I7guy]

Go out to the world, check how your friends use their phones, you'll see 99% of them using social media apps and youtube, be it cheap Android phone or expensive iPhone they all use the same apps

I dont know about your friends, but my friends (and me) control their appliances, thermostats through HomeKit, remote into their corporate servers, use a vpn to access their home networks, as well social media uses. As well as FaceTime and iMessage which is not supported on android. As well as the legendary Apple support system.

So no, what you say is not anywhere near a truism, so please provide a citation.

 

[1050792]

I dont know about your friends, but my friends (and me) control their appliances, thermostats through HomeKit, remote into their corporate servers, use a vpn to access their home networks, as well social media uses. As well as FaceTime and iMessage which is not supported on android. As well as the legendary Apple support system.

So no, what you say is not anywhere near a truism, so please provide a citation.

Sure, and you are part of the 1% from the rest of the 99%
Also Facetime and iMessage? Ever heard of Facebook messenger or Whatsapp?

 

[nviz22]

In terms of the “just works” benchmark:

iOS/macOS > Linux> chromeos > windows> android.

As far as the efficacy of the survey where is our resident survey expert @john123 ?

What Mi7chy doesn't understand is that neither Android or iOS can currently replace contemporary computers entirely. I still need my Mac to do my work. If I am working with financial statements and split-screen multi-tasking, my iPhone isn't going to do that. Neither will a Pixel 2 or any other Android device.

 

[I7guy]

Sure, and you are part of the 1% from the rest of the 99%
Also Facetime and iMessage? Ever heard of Facebook messenger or Whatsapp?

Deflection. No I don’t use Facebook and nobody in my family used WhatsApp. My point still stands and you making some biased, generalized statement.

 

[TiggrToo]

You can write huge walls of texts while contradicting what I said as a fact and trying to explain your own view but it still won't change what I said, which is true. Take for example most smartphone users they use social media apps at most, those can and will have the same performance in either a cheap $200 or an expensive fruit phone $1000. This whole quoting conversation was for the simple fact that you refuse to understand that when it comes to Apple products 99% of the users buy based on pride not usability/ux/performance.

And your PROOF if this is...?

Listen, if what your say is a "fact" then you should have no problems in providing the figures to back this up, right?" So far however you've provided absolutely nothing but more rhetoric.

So, either provide the stats to back up your position or I'm going to put you on my ignore list because your rabid fanboism is getting rather tiresome.

And before your accuse me if being the same, my attitude is folk use and enjoy whatever they choose to, and both Android and Apple provide both very fine user experiences for the majority of users most of the time, and yet both can have major issues that cause problems for others.

 

[1050792]

And your PROOF if this is...?

Listen, if what your say is a "fact" then you should have no problems in providing the figures to back this up, right?" So far however you've provided absolutely nothing but more rhetoric.

So, either provide the stats to back up your position or I'm going to put you on my ignore list because your rabid fanboism is getting rather tiresome.

And before your accuse me if being the same, my attitude is folk use and enjoy whatever they choose to, and both Android and Apple provide both very fine user experiences for the majority of users most of the time, and yet both can have major issues that cause problems for others.

That's right nothing is perfect and both OSes have their pros and cons even so you were the one that quoted me first not me, which means you were the one trying to provoke a discussion. Enjoy your iPhone. Have a nice day

 

[TiggrToo]

That's right nothing is perfect and both OSes have their pros and cons even so you were the one that quoted me first not me, which means you were the one trying to provoke a discussion. Enjoy your iPhone. Have a nice day

Oh, so know we're not allowed to call out other peoples posts when we see a glaring inaccuracy? Interesting...

Interesting that you apparently feel that posting a totally unsubstantiated belief such as (emphasis mine):

The fact that people waste $1000 for a phone that does the same as a $200 one for almost 99% of smartphone owners. You can deny it but you know it's true.

is fine, but when you are challenged by others for actual PROOF of this 'fact' you see it as provocation.

Good to know that your standard of proof is so microscopically small that you'd believe anything that aligns with your agenda that 'Apple is bad, Android is good'. The fact that throughout all this you have failed, point blank, to bring up even the very first statistic that even begins to start to initiate any potential discussion around your post, is really quite telling.

 

[1050792]

Interesting that you apparently feel that posting a totally unsubstantiated belief such as (emphasis mine):




is fine, but when you are challenged by others for actual PROOF of this 'fact' you see it as provocation.

Good to know that your standard of proof is so microscopically small that you'd believe anything that aligns with your agenda that 'Apple is bad, Android is good'. The fact that throughout all this you have failed, point blank, to bring up even the very first statistic that even begins to start to initiate any potential discussion around your post, is really quite telling.

I didnt fail anything I just quit having a useless conversation thats not going to lead anywhere when you keep practising a defensive attitute towards what I say.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Ah...yes,that is an annoying thing Apple did. After they announced you could delete apps like Mail and Calendar, I was surprised, there was still no "default" app option. What's the point in deleting the Mail app if expects it when you click on an email link? Your point is a good one if you require non-native apps. Thanks!
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No. You don’t need install the application twice. It will just create a copy of WhatsApp or WeChat or whatever, then you log in with different account. You will see two WhatsApp icons on your home screen.
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Still Android, still a sheep. You can also buy Windows PCs from many vendors, but still a Window sheep.



Bull. I just bought a budget Android phone as a spare for when my family from Asia visits (I pop in a SIM and they don't have to pay roaming fees or wonder if their phone is compatible with our carriers).

It's complete garbage. Slow and laggy all the time. Even putting in the unlock PIN you have to go slowly because it can't register your finger presses fast enough. It's literally press and wait, press and wait and so on. I finally removed the PIN altogether because it was so frustrating. Pressing any soft buttons also causes a short delay before they react. Typing simple text messages on the keyboard is terrible as it can't keep up to even a slow typist. On screen buttons are finicky. For example, trying to delete a text conversation. Press the ellipse for options, wait for the menu to pop up, then press delete. However, if you're even slightly off or the press isn't obvious (and deliberate) it won;t register. I find myself regularly closing the menu by accident because it thinks I pressed outside of the menu box. All the Apps run horribly slow. Even tapping on an App to launch causes a long delay while waiting for it to start. When I first got the phone I thought this was just temporary as it was still setting up and that it would get better. Nope, still slow. The screen is also garbage. Terrible washed out colors and it doesn't get very bright. Also has terrible viewing angles and the oleophobic coating (if it even has one) is useless. The screen always has this greasy/foggy look to it which makes the already sub-par screen even worse. Outdoors in sunlight? Unbearable.

I got this to replace an older iPhone 5 that finally crapped out. And even that iPhone ran circles around this phone, despite being 5 years old. You want me to go on?

Granted, I bought this phone for only $65 US so I wasn't expecting much from it at all. But to say a budget Android phone has 95% of the functionality of the iPhone X and provides a smooth user interface is an outright lie.

Yes. You might think 65 dollar smartphone runs like iPhone X. If that is the case, then iPhone X is really overpriced.

Hey, by the way, I have rocking lower rang phones like Moto E or Moto G, to midrange Huawei P10 Lite or Xiaomi Mi A1 etc or the high end Huawei Mate 10 and P10.

As far as i know, Android runs perfectly fine with these phones. Especially when lower end phone paired with stock Android.

I don’t know which phone you brought, i cannot comment on that particularly phone. But if you think 65 dollars phone can match iPhone X, then you should adjust your expectation.

However, i can comfortablely say, any mid-rang Android phone will work perfectly fine with most people. I can conformtablely say, i can do as much 95% of things perfectly fine with mid-rang Android phone as i do on iPhones.

 

[I7guy]

The fact that people waste $1000 for a phone that does the same as a $200 one for almost 99% of smartphone owners. You can deny it but you know it's true.

I didnt fail anything I just quit having a useless conversation thats not going to lead anywhere when you keep practising a defensive attitute towards what I say.

If that is your opinion, then fine. But you are posting this as a fact, which makes this statement eligible for the "please provide the citation for this fact" rule.

There is no wink-wink, nudge-nudge you really know what I meant here.

You don't like apple products or IOS, perfectly fine. But don't make up stuff in a feeble attempt to prove a point.

 

[Michael Goff]

In terms of the “just works” benchmark:

iOS/macOS > Linux> chromeos > windows> android.

As far as the efficacy of the survey where is our resident survey expert @john123 ?

Disagree with the end of that. Windows 10 is a real mess on the just works front.

 

[1050792]

If that is your opinion, then fine. But you are posting this as a fact, which makes this statement eligible for the "please provide the citation for this fact" rule.

There is no wink-wink, nudge-nudge you really know what I meant here.

You don't like apple products or IOS, perfectly fine. But don't make up stuff in a feeble attempt to prove a point.

I like Apple products I just dont like how Apple is basically catching up to others lately and being so praised. Ah I do hate iOS 11 battery issues and graphical glitches. Wink-wink.