Android Tops 50% Share of Smartphone Sales, But Apple Still Dominating Profits

[tigress666]

you know, I don't know if it was here or somewhere else I saw it, but talking about Apple stagnating or just not innovating as much, I have to agree with the person.

The problem is people are afraid of change (in general, this is not aimed at you in particular but just general psychology). Apple's issue is they have pigeonholed themselves to the point people will get upset if they do any major upheaval (especially when we're considering what market Apple is aiming at). Which does make innovation kind of hard when you will probably lose a lot of fanbase.

Not to say I'm not guilty here, I know my first reaction to a large change is, "RAWR RAWR, why change what's not broken?!" But because they are aiming at a market that wants their phone to be usable without thinking about it too much, that same market doesn't like it when you change things up on them.

(and people really don't. I work retail and anytime we do a major switch around, there is bound to be complaints of, "Argh, you moved everything on me!!! Why do you have to keep changing things?!". Of course, in retail they do that cause changing things makes you have to look around more and you might notice one more thing to buy that you didn't before.. it is a marketing ploy. But it also does get people upset).

Disclaimer: As an iphone user, I'm actually happy with them evolving rather than being revolutionary. I don't care if it doesn't have the latest and greatest (or rather I have yet to see a feature that I'm super upset the iphone doesn't have) but I do want it to get better if they want me to buy a new one (it has to be a decent amount better than what I already have, in particular for the stuff I'd like to see improvement on). I like the iphone, I like iOS(no I don't want them changing the UI just for the sake of having something "new", I am very much of the opinion of why fix something that's not broken?), I'm not caring that they don't revolutionize. But for those of you that want them to, this is why it would be hard for them to.

 

[aerok]

you know, i don't know if it was here or somewhere else i saw it, but talking about apple stagnating or just not innovating as much, i have to agree with the person.

The problem is people are afraid of change (in general, this is not aimed at you in particular but just general psychology). Apple's issue is they have pigeonholed themselves to the point people will get upset if they do any major upheaval (especially when we're considering what market apple is aiming at). Which does make innovation kind of hard when you will probably lose a lot of fanbase.

Not to say i'm not guilty here, i know my first reaction to a large change is, "rawr rawr, why change what's not broken?!" but because they are aiming at a market that wants their phone to be usable without thinking about it too much, that same market doesn't like it when you change things up on them.

(and people really don't. I work retail and anytime we do a major switch around, there is bound to be complaints of, "argh, you moved everything on me!!! Why do you have to keep changing things?!". Of course, in retail they do that cause changing things makes you have to look around more and you might notice one more thing to buy that you didn't before.. It is a marketing ploy. But it also does get people upset).

Disclaimer: As an iphone user, i'm actually happy with them evolving rather than being revolutionary. I don't care if it doesn't have the latest and greatest (or rather i have yet to see a feature that i'm super upset the iphone doesn't have) but i do want it to get better if they want me to buy a new one (it has to be a decent amount better than what i already have, in particular for the stuff i'd like to see improvement on). I like the iphone, i like ios(no i don't want them changing the ui just for the sake of having something "new", i am very much of the opinion of why fix something that's not broken?), i'm not caring that they don't revolutionize. But for those of you that want them to, this is why it would be hard for them to.

+111111111111111111111111

You sir are very intelligent

 

[linux2mac]

You realize that Samsung isn't doing that - it's Best Buy. To get you to make a purchase at their store. Because Best Buy's sales have been lacking and they want to stay in business.

Or are you just spread FUD for FUD's sake?

I suppose this is FUD too, huh?

US Carriers Still Struggling To Keep Up With iPhone4S Demand
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/18/us-carriers-iphone-4s-demand/

The iPhone must be a horrible phone and Apple is doomed, oh no!!

And then the trolls are others

Hmmm…let me see if I understand this correctly.

*Cough* I am an Apple user, bought lots of Macs and iOS devices for my business and personal use, I like Apple products, I like Apple the company, I like Woz, SJ, and Ive (Tim is okay too), and I am a Mac Rumors member ("MacRumors.com is a website that aggregates Mac and Apple related news, rumors, and reports."). *Cough* And one more thing, I hate Windows and Android because they are buggy - like soon to be dead Flash. *Cough*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacRumors

 

[samcraig]

I suppose this is FUD too, huh?

US Carriers Still Struggling To Keep Up With iPhone4S Demand
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/18/us-carriers-iphone-4s-demand/

The iPhone must be a horrible phone and Apple is doomed, oh no!!

What are you talking about? When did I say the iPhone is doomed? This has nothing to do with any comments I've made.

Post fail.

 

[Oletros]

What are you talking about? When did I say the iPhone is doomed? This has nothing to do with any comments I've made.

Post fail.

And then he will call others fandroids and blinds. Anyone with half brain wouldn't write this response, is totally unrelated and silly to the original comment.

Perhaps he thinks that saying that other brands sell means that you're saying that Apple doesn't sell.

 

[linux2mac]

What are you talking about? When did I say the iPhone is doomed? This has nothing to do with any comments I've made.

Post fail.

My two posted links (Best Buy Android promo and US phone carriers unable to keep up with the demand for the best smartphone out there) show evidence why Apple is still more profitable despite Android topping 50% of smartphone sales. Yet the Apple hater's typical response is claiming "FUD."

There is no FUD. iPhone is the best phone out there and that is why it is more profitable than buggy-fragmented Android!

 

[samcraig]

My two posted links (Best Buy Android promo and US phone carriers unable to keep up with the demand for the best smartphone out there) show evidence why Apple is still more profitable despite Android topping 50% of smartphone sales. Yet the Apple hater's typical response is claiming "FUD."

There is no FUD. iPhone is the best phone out there and that is why it is more profitable than buggy-fragmented Android!

Who is the apple hater? The FUD you posted is that link to Best Buy as if it was some proof of how Android isn't selling or needs perks to sell.

I don't even think you're reading posts here - I think you just want to post over and over how awesome the iPhone is and that they make a huge profit. No one is arguing that. And you can't argue that Android phones overall are selling well to.

So what are you arguing? nothing.

 

[linux2mac]

And then he will call others fandroids and blinds.

Uhhh, I've never used the word "fandroid" on this forum nor do I have the desire to apply a moniker to those who want to use buggy platforms. Wishful thinking on your part.

 

[samcraig]

Uhhh, I've never used the word "fandroid" on this forum nor do I have the desire to apply a moniker to those who want to use buggy platforms. Wishful thinking on your part.

quite right - it's better to just use apple hater, right?

 

[linux2mac]

I don't even think you're reading posts here - I think you just want to post over and over how awesome the iPhone is and that they make a huge profit. No one is arguing that. And you can't argue that Android phones overall are selling well to.

Oh really? I guess you missed all the folks attacking "LTD." Oh and one more thing, I never argued that Android was not selling well ( I kinda deduced that from the part that says "Android Tops 50% Share of Smartphone Sales" in the thread title). I am "just sayin."

Here is the problem with you and other fanboys (Apple, Android, Oranges, Monkeys, Ford, etc).

Don't bother with *LTD*.

He's just pissed that the latest sales figures prove that Android is more innovative than iOS (by his own standards).

Point is, Android is more innovative! They're pushing the boundaries!

 

[samcraig]

Oh really? I guess you missed all the folks attacking "LTD." Oh and one more thing, I never argued that Android was not selling well ( I kinda deduced that from the part that says "Android Tops 50% Share of Smartphone Sales" in the thread title). I am "just sayin."

Sorry - I still don't get your point unless it's the obvious. Apple has greater revenue from their phone sales and Android has better marketshare. There's really no argument is there?

The problem is - you stuck your post into this thread that is non sequitor at best - especially the best buy link. Maybe you were trying to be funny. But your post failed as it was completely irrelevant.

We can go back and forth all day - but really - there's nothing to discuss.

 

[linux2mac]

We can go back and forth all day - but really - there's nothing to discuss.

I'd rather not. I am flattered though. Thanks.

 

[aerok]

My two posted links (Best Buy Android promo and US phone carriers unable to keep up with the demand for the best smartphone out there) show evidence why Apple is still more profitable despite Android topping 50% of smartphone sales. Yet the Apple hater's typical response is claiming "FUD."

There is no FUD. iPhone is the best phone out there and that is why it is more profitable than buggy-fragmented Android!

Wow why so angry? Did an Android phone kill a family member by falling from the sky?

Oh wait, you're angry because it's buggy and fragentated? How the hell does that affect you? Huh?

There is no FUD. iPhone is the best phone out there and that is why it is more profitable than buggy-fragmented Android!

That is nothing but an opinion. *cough* The best phone FOR ME is the Blackberry 9780, not because it has excellent features but because the phone is boring and crappy. The iPhone is one of the worst out there because it distracts me too much. Yes it is my opinion, who am I to say if an inanimate object is the best or the worst in general?

Oh really? I guess you missed all the folks attacking "LTD." Oh and one more thing, I never argued that Android was not selling well ( I kinda deduced that from the part that says "Android Tops 50% Share of Smartphone Sales" in the thread title). I am "just sayin."

Are you implying that LTD is not a fanboy? I'm sure even LTD will disagree with you...

 

[aerok]

And also important to add, understand that most of us like samcraig and Oletros are not Apple haters. We all own Apple products and enjoy them as much as you do. The main difference between us and you is that our love for Apple ends there, the products we use are good but we will use products from other competing companies. Not because we hate Apple (Amazing right?) but because they are actually also good (Yes I just said it). That does not make us haters, just normal consumers...

Most of us did not even bash Apple or its profits, but we did argue against those that posts offensive statements against competing operating system. Does that make us fAndroids? Not necessarily, I do not know about the others but I would have reacted the same if the attacks were directed onto another OS. But it so happens that Android is now biggest competitor to iOS and inevitably some people will feel the need to start a crusade against the new evil that threaten (only in their head) the existence of their favorite OS.

 

[linux2mac]

Does that make us fAndroids?

Not sure. I've never used the term "fandroid." Perhaps this forum member could shed some light.

And then he will call others fandroids and blinds.

 

[aerok]

Not sure. I've never used the term "fandroid." Perhaps this forum member could shed some light.

Perhaps but it does not make us Apple haters either.

My two posted links (Best Buy Android promo and US phone carriers unable to keep up with the demand for the best smartphone out there) show evidence why Apple is still more profitable despite Android topping 50% of smartphone sales. Yet the Apple hater's typical response is claiming "FUD."

There is no FUD. iPhone is the best phone out there and that is why it is more profitable than buggy-fragmented Android!

The link you posted is only evidence that Bestbuy is losing profit and not the manufacturer, hence not related at all

 

[gnasher729]

Well because the OP was comparing two different things anyway. I wasn't trying to argue either way. I am curious at any data that would indicate or not indicate whether there are specific issues at Foxcon which are contributory. Isn't that naturally of interest?

The original poster wasn't comparing anything, he or she was spouting the old nonsense about the horrible suicides at Foxconn. I was then comparing suicide rates of one group (Foxconn employees) with another group (US citizens). Belonging to one group and committing suicide doesn't mean that belonging to that group is a reason for the suicide. There is no reason to believe that the Foxconn employees committed suicide because they are Foxconn employees, or that the US citizens commit suicide because they are US citizens.

As it happens, the number of US citizens that are employees of McDonalds and UPS is about the same as the number of people employed by Foxconn (they are the 2nd and 3rd largest employers, Walmart is much bigger). So we could compare numbers there. Entering "McDonalds suicide" into Google then finds that one McDonalds employee in Nebraska killed himself after shooting eight people in a shopping mall. And the man who composed the McDonalds "I'm loving it" jingle killed himself at the age of forty. What is McDonald doing to musicians? Shouldn't they be held accountable? And a UPS executive committed suicide as well. What's going on in the boardroom at UPS?

 

[linux2mac]

Perhaps but it does not make us Apple haters either.



The link you posted is only evidence that Bestbuy is losing profit and not the manufacturer, hence not related at all

Can you clarify what you mean by "fanboys" in your post below? Thanks.

Here is the problem with you and other fanboys (Apple, Android, Oranges, Monkeys, Ford, etc).

 

[lamboman]

It's amazing how people can go on and on, constantly arguing about statistics, and more to the point, how people can conclude which platform is best through these figures.

Firstly, stop using this "Android is a corrupted platform" crap. Yes, there are many Android phones out there on the market, but the fact is that it doesn't affect anyone, the phones still work. It seems to be the first thing that Android haters say about Android, merely because they cannot seem to think of anything else. However, in reality, it simply doesn't matter. Windows is a massively corrupted platform in that regard, far more so than Android. Look which operating system holds the biggest share of the market...

Secondly, Apple has biggest profits because they are the only company that makes a phone for their own platform, which they then sell at what can only be agreed as a ludicrously high price. I'm not saying whether or not the phone is the best or not, but nobody can deny it is too expensive. However, people will pay the price, and Apple know it. Simple.

Which part of that has anything to do with which platform is better? As far as both I can see, and what most normal people can see, absolutely none of it...

 

[aerok]

Can you clarify what you mean by "fanboys" in your post below? Thanks.

Anybody that is highly devoted to an unimportant subject (company, celebrity, object, hobby) while being highly biased in his opinions.

You can also add what I wrote on the same post you quoted as an example

You only see what you want to see, facts becomes distorted to the way you appreciate it and love it. For you Android does not represent high end phones but crap like phones that are not even sold where you live.

Anything that gives a bad portrait for your beloved company does not exist and for other competing companies, only bad images will enter your head.

I'll add my definition of hater in case you also ask that

Anybody that express or accept success or good doing of a person/company/hobby/celebrity. Will always try find a negative point in order to undermine the success.

Urban dictionary definition might vary a bit but I'm sure it's quite similar.

I do not want to sound mean, but judging from your previous posts on MR and your avatar, you fit the profile of a fanboy and a hater. I do not know you personally so I will not draw any conclusions.

PS. Please feel free to correct me if my definition is wrong.

 

[Dbrown]

Can you clarify what you mean by "fanboys" in your post below? Thanks.

You damn well know what fanboy means. You're one of them.

 

[aerok]

Also important to add for Linux2mac, you have an immense hate for products that are not Apple. I only read 20 of your posts here on MR and most if not all of them are to criticize competing companies or hardware that is not available for Apple products. For someone that has so much to criticize, I was not able to find one post where you did the same for Apple. You cannot disagree with me on the point that Apple is not perfect.

I take back what I said, you sir are a fanboy/hater.

 

[linux2mac]

Wow why so angry? Did an Android phone kill a family member by falling from the sky?

I do not know you personally so I will not draw any conclusions.

Please do that. Oh, and keep my family out of the discussion too. Thanks.

You cannot disagree with me on the point that Apple is not perfect.

I don't think anyone nor anything is "perfect."

You damn well know what fanboy means. You're one of them.

I take back what I said, you sir are a fanboy/hater

Far be it for fans of Apple to hang out on MacRumors.

 

[aerok]

I don't think anyone nor anything is "perfect."

We agree on that like I said we would

Far be it for fans of Apple to hang out on MacRumors.

I hang out on MacRumors to plan out my next MacBook purchase, I also visit 9to5macs. As a political theology student, I also visit various religious forums. Visiting websites dedicated to Islam does not make me Islamic

And you have yet to answer for your irrelevancy on the link brought out to Bestbuy, how does a loss of profit to Bestbuy have anything to do with loss of profit for manufacturers? It only raises the profit as sales increase. Unless you do not understand how business works in retailing.

At least, you're not denying that you are a fanboy/hater.

 

[slinky199]

And you have yet to answer for your irrelevancy on the link brought out to Bestbuy, how does a loss of profit to Bestbuy have anything to do with loss of profit for manufacturers? It only raises the profit as sales increase. Unless you do not understand how business works in retailing.

I'm curious about this as well.