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Android U.S. Ad Request Market Share Surges Past iPhone, iPhone and iPod Touch Device Mix Detailed
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Products aside, Google seems a lot less evil to me than Apple. Certainly less secretive and dictatorial. This interview kind of sums it up for me;
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/googles-andy-rubin-on-everything-android/
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http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/googles-andy-rubin-on-everything-android/
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I love this bit:
"At the end of the hourlong chat, I joked with Mr. Rubin that his press relations colleague, who was in the room, wanted to confess that he had left a prototype Android phone at a local bar.
Id be happy if that happened and someone wrote about it, Mr. Rubin said. With openness comes less secrets."
Meow!
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I love this bit:
"At the end of the hourlong chat, I joked with Mr. Rubin that his press relations colleague, who was in the room, wanted to confess that he had left a prototype Android phone at a local bar.
Id be happy if that happened and someone wrote about it, Mr. Rubin said. With openness comes less secrets."
Meow!
Only interesting point of this data
was that Motorola's phones accounted for 44% of all the advertising views.
From reading the pdf one should not be that impressed.
This tells me nothing quantitatively about the actual growth of the Android Platform. IT tells me there must be significant growth and significant number of clicks. Big deal.
We've had a war about free apps /paid apps and advertisements.
Wake me after a year and a half of iAd into the mix and it's deployment on iPhone OS via the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad.
was that Motorola's phones accounted for 44% of all the advertising views.
From reading the pdf one should not be that impressed.
This tells me nothing quantitatively about the actual growth of the Android Platform. IT tells me there must be significant growth and significant number of clicks. Big deal.
We've had a war about free apps /paid apps and advertisements.
Wake me after a year and a half of iAd into the mix and it's deployment on iPhone OS via the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad.
So Apple makes money on the phone sale itself ($$$), app sales ($), and soon, advertising ($$).
Google makes money on...advertising ($$).
You know, I think I'd rather be in Apple's position, despite the Android surge.
I think Apple's foray into mobile advertising will be cause for some serious introspection for Google. The whole "we'll give it all away for free and make it up with advertising" strategy has always seemed a bit nutty to me. Wasn't an over reliance on advertising dollars the cause of the original dot com bust?
Google makes money on...advertising ($$).
You know, I think I'd rather be in Apple's position, despite the Android surge.
I think Apple's foray into mobile advertising will be cause for some serious introspection for Google. The whole "we'll give it all away for free and make it up with advertising" strategy has always seemed a bit nutty to me. Wasn't an over reliance on advertising dollars the cause of the original dot com bust?
You have a very creative fantasy.
No, the dot com bubble bust was all about speculation going overboard. Stock prices were rapidly raising, there was a lot of market confidence that the companies would turn future profits. Based on... Nothing. All a company had to do to see their stock share prices soar was getting involved with the internet.
O RLY?
Yes. And that "nothing" was, in many cases, business plans that relied on imagined advertising dollars to fuel profits. Advertising dollars that of course never materialized.
Alas, there is only so much market support for advertising. Sometimes you have to create actual products or services to run a successful business.
If it happens, there's your reason. Of course, that's also a reason to stick with Apple.
Why? So you can stay with a closed off walled garden? F that. I switched to Android and haven't looked back. It beats the iPhone in every way, and I'm not bound to Apple's draconian policies with the iPhone. Think Different my ass.
Once again, the trolls win
NO, ANDROID DID NOT JUST PASS THE IPHONE IN MOBILE WEB TRAFFIC
It's amazing to me to see how gullible people are. Does it even pass the smell test that Android users are outnumbering iPhone users? How many iPhone users do you see? Lots. How many Android users do you see? Not nearly as many.
So while I understand why the trolls around here jump on anything anti-Apple they can find without question, the rest of us should stop and think about things that are presented by biased sources. AdMob is biased, so think about it.
Don't just read stories without using your brain. You'll wind up like a MacRumors troll, and just as misinformed.
NO, ANDROID DID NOT JUST PASS THE IPHONE IN MOBILE WEB TRAFFIC
It's amazing to me to see how gullible people are. Does it even pass the smell test that Android users are outnumbering iPhone users? How many iPhone users do you see? Lots. How many Android users do you see? Not nearly as many.
So while I understand why the trolls around here jump on anything anti-Apple they can find without question, the rest of us should stop and think about things that are presented by biased sources. AdMob is biased, so think about it.
Don't just read stories without using your brain. You'll wind up like a MacRumors troll, and just as misinformed.
Google has not released one phone, not even one, that has ever come close to outselling Apple's ONE phone.
Why do you think that is?
Google has no premiere iPhone-killer. That's because they're incapable of making one. So Google does a Windows-Mobile and pushes for volume. Apple, with a single phone (or include the 3G if you like), on ONE carrier in the US, has managed to command 25% US share and hold it. They're about to grab another chunk of the market with the next iPhone (which is what everyone is waiting for.) The iPhone is what makes headlines, and BIG headlines.
So you'll see a lot of Android-based devices, but none that will approach anything Apple produces, for the simple reason that different versions of an OS running with different devices offered my different handset makers will, by default, NEVER outdo a coherent strategy of vertical development in User Experience - which, at the end of the day, is all that matters.
The anti-Apple crowd will find any and every reason (no matter how ill-supported) to not throw in with Apple, because apparently, having *all* your devices with a company is somehow wrong, and even worse if that refuses to provide a Windows-like experience. They want all the usability of Apple products, but the "freedom" of Windows or so-called "open" platforms. You can't have both, unfortunately.
I found an article that answers my question (although I see NebulaClash beat me to it.)
That makes sense. Android isn't growing fast enough to account for this significant a surge in ads. But if publisher relationships are what drives ad requests for specific devices, then it makes sense.
I wonder what wisdom AdMob hopes to impart to industry watchers by presenting such an oddly cooked set of numbers.
This piece on Ars about these stats is also an interesting read.
Holy crap man!
The Apple I respected for so long always gave me a choice, while providing a better product. They made sure my Macs played nicely with the Window's worlds. They gave me plenty of options and freedon, which is why I chose their products over others. The iPod for years was just a better choice than all other alternatives and as closed as it seemed, it was actually more open than the competitors as it supported so many more formats, all of which were treated equally by iTunes.I'm all for hardware and software integration, because it works. But what I'm not for is the Apple you're condoning. The Apple you describe is relatively new and fortunately only limited to their iTraps. At least with OS X I still have freedom.
Stop trolling. Nobody suggested that the amount of Android phones already surpassed the amount of iPhones. The number of variables indeed is to big to draw direct conclusions from the original article. However, the trend is clear. It's only a matter of months (if not weeks) when Android phones outnumber the number of iPhones. Why do you think Apple is suing HTC?
If the walled off area is sufficiently large enough for their purposes, then yes. If not, no.
That's the point, you know.
Stop trolling. Nobody suggested that the amount of Android phones already surpassed the amount of iPhones. The number of variables indeed is to big to draw direct conclusions from the original article. However, the trend is clear. It's only a matter of months (if not weeks) when Android phones outnumber the number of iPhones. Why do you think Apple is suing HTC?
The latest market share numbers for smart phones put Apple around 24% and Android around 7%. That doesn't support your assertion that Android phones will outnumber iPhones soon. In fact, given that we've just come off the holiday season where several new Android devices were released and numerous ad campaigns have been running heavily, I'd say it doesn't bode well for the rate consumers are buying Android devices.
Quote: "From December to February, Android-based smartphones gained 5.2% market share, making up a total of 9%, according to ComScore, which tracks and provides Web metrics. The iPhone stayed flat at about 25%, while Palm lost 1.8%, falling to a 5.4% market share."
So, it's 9% for Android and with this speed (which BTW is accelerating) it's really a matter of a few months (5.2% in 3 months - should take less than 9 months)
Stop trolling. Nobody suggested that the amount of Android phones already surpassed the amount of iPhones. The number of variables indeed is to big to draw direct conclusions from the original article. However, the trend is clear. It's only a matter of months (if not weeks) when Android phones outnumber the number of iPhones. Why do you think Apple is suing HTC?
*sigh*
Here is what I said, and amazingly to me what you quoted without understanding: "Android users are outnumbering iPhone users" I didn't say they already outnumber, past tense, but used the present tense to describe what the trolls say is in the process of occurring. Just read this thread. Hey, just read your comment where you think this will happen in as little time as "weeks."
I'm not trolling, I'm fighting trolls. I'll know Android phones outnumber iPhones when I see it in the real world. Right now it's not even close.
Actually, I'm fighting people like you who come to a Mac site and then bad mouth Apple and its products often (as seen by your posting history). Please try AndroidRumors.com or whatever your natural home base is.
What's wrong with being secretive? The Smartphone industry is competitive and of course Apple is going to be secretive to keep a competitive edge and make money.
I've always expected the Android platform to get past the iPhone platform in terms of sales, as the Android is the OS and the iPhone is both an OS and hardware in a single unit from a single manufacturer (think Windows versus, well, Apple OS X).
That being said, the Android phones themselves are so splintered and fractured that I'm still firmly in Apple's camp. I don't want to worry about what features it may or may not have in comparison to other Android phones that could prevent me from running apps, or getting an old version of the OS on a new phone (still happening, amazingly) or when I'll finally be able to update my phone to the new version.
Also, video chat on a phone? If this turns out to be true it'll be a real killer app (that I bet Android and others will quickly try to copy, Apple leading the way again).
That being said, the Android phones themselves are so splintered and fractured that I'm still firmly in Apple's camp. I don't want to worry about what features it may or may not have in comparison to other Android phones that could prevent me from running apps, or getting an old version of the OS on a new phone (still happening, amazingly) or when I'll finally be able to update my phone to the new version.
Also, video chat on a phone? If this turns out to be true it'll be a real killer app (that I bet Android and others will quickly try to copy, Apple leading the way again).
Free and good enough...
Expensive and good is almost always overtaken by cheap and good enough. It's a shame that no one wants to pay for quality anymore.
Someday android will take over. I wonder then if their "open" software market will produce some nice botnet infested apps? I'd like to think it won't happen but I think the general public is willing to put up with a lot as long as they don't have to pay anything. I get reallly sick of Apple paving the way and then getting pushed aside because people just want cheap junk. I'm sure there are many nice Android phones but I can guarantee once Andorid has critical mass most of the phones will be very cheap. Look at the PC market.
And that whole 'Google being happy if some one wrote about one of their missing future phones' story... No reason to think they are a saint for saying so. Apple's only ace in the whole is their innovation and surprise. To think they are evil for wanting to keep secrets is unfair. Googles business model is completely different. They don't make money selling phones. You think Google developed Android just out of the goodness of their heart? All they want is your eyeballs. I think Google has some good moral people at the helm but don't think a $500 a share company just does stuff to be nice.
Expensive and good is almost always overtaken by cheap and good enough. It's a shame that no one wants to pay for quality anymore.
Someday android will take over. I wonder then if their "open" software market will produce some nice botnet infested apps? I'd like to think it won't happen but I think the general public is willing to put up with a lot as long as they don't have to pay anything. I get reallly sick of Apple paving the way and then getting pushed aside because people just want cheap junk. I'm sure there are many nice Android phones but I can guarantee once Andorid has critical mass most of the phones will be very cheap. Look at the PC market.
And that whole 'Google being happy if some one wrote about one of their missing future phones' story... No reason to think they are a saint for saying so. Apple's only ace in the whole is their innovation and surprise. To think they are evil for wanting to keep secrets is unfair. Googles business model is completely different. They don't make money selling phones. You think Google developed Android just out of the goodness of their heart? All they want is your eyeballs. I think Google has some good moral people at the helm but don't think a $500 a share company just does stuff to be nice.
Yeah, Apple leading the way. Sure. As it always does. There is one problem though. Video calling was implemented on mobile phones many years ago (when Apple did not even know how cell phones work). Just check this video. No wonder Nokia is suing Apple.