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Another Boeing 737 Max crash

stylinexpat said:
Depending on how many people were on that flight. If 300 plus people were on there then that is just over $300K per family which is not much.
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Moreover, while all of the deaths were an absolute (and avoidable) tragedy, some of those who were killed when that plane crashed were extraordinarily impressive individuals; as far as I recall, @JamesMike knew some from the UN who were killed while travelling on that plane, while an incredibly impressive and formidably gifted Ugandan police officer with whom I had worked a few years ago was also a casualty of that crash.
 
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stylinexpat said:
Depending on how many people were on that flight. If 300 plus people were on there then that is just over $300K per family which is not much.
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That was in part the point, yes. The other point was that this was a tenth of a percent of the revenue last year, which is what we in Norway would call "et piss i havet" (tr: "a piss in the ocean").
 
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Scepticalscribe said:
Moreover, while all of the deaths were an absolute (and avoidable) tragedy, some of those who were killed when that plane crashed were extraordinarily impressive individuals; as far as I recall, @JamesMike knew some from the UN who were killed while travelling on that plane, while an incredibly impressive and formidably gifted Ugandan police officer I had worked with a few years ago was also a casualty of that crash.
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Yes, I had 8 UN friends on board, it reminded of the Lockerbie plane bombing, I lost 4 teammates and 3 security friends on that flight.
 
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stylinexpat said:
Sorry to hear, may they Rest In Peace. Very little money in my opinion for those that lost their lives. Money does not bring them back either .:(
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The Ugandan police officer whom I knew (and held in very high regard) - and who perished tragically in that crash - was brave, brilliant, funny, idealistic, exceptionally competent, and a superb role model both in Uganda and in the wider region of the Horn of Africa.

Earlier in her career, she had led the Ugandan police unit on domestic violence and abuse and pioneered changes in how that unit was run, and later, when I knew her, she served as Deputy Commissioner, and then, was Acting Commissioner, for the multi-national AMISOM police force in the Horn of Africa.

Her death was an enormous and tragic loss.
 
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Scepticalscribe said:
The Ugandan police officer whom I knew (and held in very high regard) - and who perished tragically in that crash - was brave, brilliant, funny, idealistic, exceptionally competent, and a superb role model both in Uganda and in the wider region of the Horn of Africa.

Earlier in her career, she had led the Ugandan police unit on domestic violence and abuse and pioneered changes in how that unit was run, and later, when I knew her, she served as Deputy Commissioner, and then, was Acting Commissioner, for the multi-national AMISOM police force in the Horn of Africa.

Her death was an enormous and tragic loss.
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May she Rest In Peace. :(
 
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darksithpro said:
Most pilots fly 100 hours a month!
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That is ABSOLUTELY Incorrect. Firstly, no pilot is allowed to do more than 8 hours at a stretch (9 in case the flight time is around 8:45, and it would be infeasible to add another crew for just another hour).
Secondly, they have to rest at least 18 hours between consecutive flights. that being said after every trip, originating from bases and ending at the same base, you get ~2 days off.
point of all this is that although its wont be impossible to somehow cram 100hours in a 31 day month. One an average pilots do somewhere b/w 60-70.
 
I for one thing if flying some where will check to see what type of aircraft carrier is flying that route and if possible will not fly on that particular plane model. I think it is quite obvious by now that the 737 MAX has some issues
 
stylinexpat said:
I for one thing if flying some where will check to see what type of aircraft carrier is flying that route and if possible will not fly on that particular plane model. I think it is quite obvious by now that the 737 MAX has some issues
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Well, it’s still grounded, so no worries there and the problem arose with the Max. 737 models before that were ok even though a couple nose dived into the ground several decades ago with rudder hard overs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/ne...ounded-around-the-world/ar-BBXibFc?li=BBnb7Kx
 
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surfguy said:
That is ABSOLUTELY Incorrect. Firstly, no pilot is allowed to do more than 8 hours at a stretch (9 in case the flight time is around 8:45, and it would be infeasible to add another crew for just another hour).
Secondly, they have to rest at least 18 hours between consecutive flights. that being said after every trip, originating from bases and ending at the same base, you get ~2 days off.
point of all this is that although its wont be impossible to somehow cram 100hours in a 31 day month. One an average pilots do somewhere b/w 60-70.
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Just curious, is this for US pilots only, or is this the standard around the world?
 
rhett7660 said:
Just curious, is this for US pilots only, or is this the standard around the world?
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They are referencing the FAA. It’s 9 hours during the day and 8 at night. Flight Duty Periods range between 9-14 hrs depending on how many segments are flown and the start time of the pilots day.

Generally, a line pilot will work 12-15 hrs a day noting that Total Time includes non flying hours. :apple:
 
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darksithpro said:
Some more information. It seems according to Airliners.net that the FO only had 200 hours. The forum members are leaning towards pilot inexperience/panic...

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1417519&start=850

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Varsity1 wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
So the first officer had 200 hours? This was probably his first flight flying a jet of any kind. I would suspect a loss of control.


That's definitely not the case, training programs in foreign countries start out with cadets with no time flown beginning on jets. He's definitely inexperienced, but it's entirely possible all of his flight time is in jets.

What will be interesting to know is the amount of time he had on the MAX.

You don't spend your first 200 hours learning in jets anywhere on earth except some militaries.

Even if he had 200 hours all in the 737 max, it's almost nothing for flight time. Most pilots fly 100 hours a month!

You're right, I probably should have said mostly on jets. Agreed that's not much experience at all, and its an interesting data point in all this. If he was the PF the plot certainly thickens."
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surfguy said:
That is ABSOLUTELY Incorrect. Firstly, no pilot is allowed to do more than 8 hours at a stretch (9 in case the flight time is around 8:45, and it would be infeasible to add another crew for just another hour).
Secondly, they have to rest at least 18 hours between consecutive flights. that being said after every trip, originating from bases and ending at the same base, you get ~2 days off.
point of all this is that although its wont be impossible to somehow cram 100hours in a 31 day month. One an average pilots do somewhere b/w 60-70.
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100 hours a month is the limit in the US, with an annual limit of 1000 hours. It is possible to fly that much, but my impression is most pilots in the US fly about 75 hours a month. This of course represents a lot more time than the 75 hours they are actually flying the aircraft. :)
Just for reference: https://www.airlinepilot.life/t/how-many-hours-can-you-fly/3561/5
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cube said:
https://onemileatatime.com/boeing-suspending-737-max-production/
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Cube,

If you really want to engage in deep conversations regarding this and other Boeing news I'd recommend joining this site (if you're a not a member.) You'll find a far greater range to engage.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1432067

Also, assuming you are not a member https://www.pprune.org/trending.php is also a great site if you're interested in the more technical side of the industry. The first site tends to be more operations based. ;)
 
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According to a senior Boeing executive, the documents include new messages from Mark Forkner, a senior company test pilot who complained of “egregious” erratic behavior in flight simulator tests of Boeing’s MCAS anti-stall system, and referred to “Jedi mind tricks” to persuade regulators to approve the plane.

www.theguardian.com

Boeing 737 Max: new 'troubling communications' sent to regulators

A senior executive says the company has handed over more messages from test pilot who complained about anti-stall system
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

No wonder Dennis Muilenburg had to go...

www.theguardian.com

Boeing ousts chief executive Dennis Muilenburg

Company battles to regain trust after two fatal crashes involving 737 Max planes
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
It's about time! The new CEO should investigate who approved the decision to push the MAX-8 out before it was ready and send that person packing also. It's likely that several were complicit in making one of the worst R&D decisions of all time. They all should be looking for work, in another field.

Why do people never learn? Do things the right way, every time. Cutting corners costs lives, the primary concern. But it also harms the company's reputation and bottom line.
 
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