does Apple has design flaw? yes it does.
do other phone companies have the same design flaw? yes they do
so can we call it design flaw? no we can't, because that is something that nobody knows how to fix (yet) and everybody should accept it for now
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does Apple has design flaw? yes it does.
do other phone companies have the same design flaw? yes they do
so can we call it design flaw? no we can't, because that is something that nobody knows how to fix (yet) and everybody should accept it for now
Can you do it, it should be easy
It'd be easy. Run a patchcord from the earphone output of your Moto Droid to the mic input of your video camera, and record the sound output from the Droid along with the video showing that it was a phone call.
Could you do that?
I'm surprised that no one has done that if its as big as an issue as it seems to be.
It'd be easy. Run a patchcord from the earphone output of your Moto Droid to the mic input of your video camera, and record the sound output from the Droid along with the video showing that it was a phone call.
Could you do that?
I'm surprised that no one has done that if its as big as an issue as it seems to be.
Actually, you're wrong on two out of three counts--they are correct to distance themselves as all companies would for fear that it might affect sales.
But the point is that it is not an Apple issue and no one else's if the issue affects everyone. And when has Apple dragged other companies into things before to make it typical? Can you back up this statement? I'd be interested.
Very true. I wish people would realize how special it is that Jobs even responds to users emails. I can't think of another CEO of his stature who would even hand out a personal address. You're talking here about one of the most influencial businessmen of the last twenty/thirty years and he responds to emails from regular users. I like this.
Apple "hasn't received significant customer feedbacks” on the “problem” either. That was the whole point of Apple’s discussion: the 4 doesn’t drop calls more than 3GS. In fact it drops less, because it achieves the same drop rate despite cases (which help any phone) not being widely available. So, no, even though I myself believed the hysteria, I was wrong: the iPhone 4 does NOT have reception problems worse than other phones—the dropped-call data is there.
Meanwhile these companies’ own manuals and stickers contradict their claims that THEIR phones can magically send radio waves through the water-logged human body. They should probably lie low and not draw attention to their own phone’s problems.
Meanwhile these companies’ own manuals and stickers contradict their claims that THEIR phones can magically send radio waves through the water-logged human body. They should probably lie low and not draw attention to their own phone’s problems.
Right thats it....I'm suing you! Oh...no...no...wait....I'm in the UK. All good
It is a bit retarded how they sue for simple little "he said she said" crap. I'm shocked that nobody's tried suing AT&T yet for this, blaming their network!
At this point my AppleLove meter has dropped another point. Reason being Steve pointlessly (but very predictably) drawing in others to this. Bad move which I hope he pays for dearly - had enough of his crap now.
(P.S - Not a "troll" - just someone who finds this whole iPhone fiasco rather amusing now!)
Well, you're no fun at all. Everybody knows that little kids have the most fun and no responsibilities. Don't you want to have fun? Why do you hate children? Won't somebody think of the children?
You don't believe that both antennas are being connected to form one unusable, out-of-tune antenna?
Jobs poor attempt at deflection seems to have backlashed, now 
has an entire industry calling it's bluff. Oh my.
has an entire industry calling it's bluff. Oh my.
LagunaSol watching Apple's slanted ads making fun of PC's: "Hahaha, so true!"
LagunaSol watching Asian YouTube movie making fun of Apple: *Cries* "B-b-but that's not fair!"
Could have sworn he says he is from Texas.
The ratio of lawyers to citizens in the United States is greater than the ratio of doctors to citizens. This is ridiculous. We need lawyers, but to this degree? What we do NOT need are frivolous lawsuits.
What's 1,000 lawyers* at the bottom of the ocean?
* or CPAs ... or IRS agents
Fixed
On a side note: no cellular phone company should EVER insult Nokia. Its exactly like kicking your Grandfather in the balls. Apple just acted like a little child that whole press conference, never owning up to their imperfections and constantly reminding their "customers" (more like Zombies) that they "love them". When any logically-thinking person with a brain saw they were trying to butter-up the mindless masses who compare Apple to Jesus himself.
... absolutely disgusting
Toss one of those into Apple's wireless testing facility.
Are you really going to accept a YouTube video as gospel?
I don't think Apple called out Motorola at all did they? They've been out of it for a while prior to their Android phones.
LOL, I'll bet you would say that, who wouldn't? Get real man, nobody wants to take the blow for everyone else's mistakes and if you think you'd take one for the team while everyone else is speeding you're delusional.
If you were the CEO of Apple you would do the exact same thing as Steve Jobs did, because it makes sense. It's not like he just got up on stage and made blanket statements that other phone's have the same antenna issues as the iPhone 4, he actually showed videos of the signal attenuation. Does that bother you that he was able to back up his claim? That must be it.
Apple backed up their claims with proof and some of the haters here like you just can't stand it!
It's not taking one for the team, it's owning up to your mistakes. While attenuation is an issue for all phones, not all phones were designed so that users could inadvertently short their antennae. Stop attempting to confuse the issue with rhetoric.
Apple screwed up, and is now trying to save face by drawing everyone's attention to a similar issue with other phones that isn't actually the cause of the problem. It's the old bait and switch. Just because some people are buying it doesn't mean everyone else is as gullible.
Look up 'troll' in the dictionary and this post is there. Can we find somewhere to keep these guys? It's just getting silly.
+1 I agree, pointing the finger at other companies is stupid. Apple should keep them out of it.
I've yet to see any credible evidence that the 'shorting' issue is anything more than the speculation of bloggers and forum posters. Do you have a link?
Um, no it IS relevant. Look, there are two things going on here:
(1) The fallacy of a double standard: This is when you hold one company to a higher standard than another. If customers were unhappy, and just customers, then I think Apple might have avoided pointing out the other phones. But when the Media got involved, the implication became that ONLY Apple has this problem and has to fix it. That's a double standard. And Apple has every right to say, "If you're going to hold us to this standard, you have to hold others." Otherwise, Apple is going to be punished for something EVERYONE is doing. So if the Media is going to punish a company for this flaw, why just Apple?
(2) Evidence of Innocence: Now this is where it gets really important. Please, try to understand this point. If Apple DEMONSTRATES that other phones have this problem, then it makes its point that this design flaw can't be avoided. Meaning there is no phone yet made that has conquered this issue. That's important. If none of the other phones had this problem, it would indicate that Apple had bad or sloppy engineers, designers, or had, indeed, picked form over function (as accused). By showing that the other phones have this issue, Apple defends--and presumably proves--it's assertion that this issue can't be entirely avoided--yet. All cellphones will have this problem to a greater or lesser extent.
Thus, once again, they weren't negligent. Keep in mind, they're being compared to BP and Toyota--who WERE negligent.
I'm kinda amazed at people bitching about Apple showing the other phones, by the way. What I'm getting is that none of you wanted Apple to present evidence in its defense. You just wanted Apple to "man up!" and...What? Say, "We made the worst phone ever. Bring it back. We'll give you all Blackberries and close our doors forever in shame and failure...."
Pointing out the other companies is EVIDENCE that this is a flaw that all phones have. Now what *may* be a mistake on Apple's part, and Jobs pointed it out, was where they put the break can be easily found and touched to make it happen. And they put the antenna on the outside which also makes it easier. BUT Jobs also pointed out why they did this. It wasn't out of being sloppy or negligence or even to make it pretty. It was so the phone could get better reception in weaker spots. And users claim that the phone does do that! So, whether it is a worse problem on Apple's phone than others depends. Apple argues that the numbers so far seem to indicate that it isn't worse than other phones--but it might be easier to cause. However, that easier element also gives users an advantage.
If you're being accused of a crime, you have every right to defend yourself and present any evidence there is of innocence. This was why those demonstrations of other phones were presented. But Apple did say they're sorry. And you can get a refund if you're unhappy with the phone. So. What more do you want from them? Seriously. What could they say that would satisfy you? "Humility" you say? So, "We're not perfect. We make mistakes. We want our customers happy...." isn't humble enough? Why not? And would you buy a product from any company that said, "To be honest and humble, our products have problems. Let me give you a list of all that's not perfect...."
I wouldn't call my worst enemy a teletubby. But since the internet provides ironclad anonymity, I applaud your innovative thinking. But instead, people who overly emotionalize and present others' arguments in as extreme a light as possible, I will continue to think of as unintentional trolls. Those who attempt to remain happy and understand each other and get along are the teletubbies.
But seriously, it seems Apple has a problem, maybe it's a bigger deal than most other companies' hardware, but most have it to some extent. I even have it on my non-smartphone by Samsung. Whether the way Jobs is handling this is good (from a PR standpoint) remains to be seen. I wouldn't bet against Steve Jobs in the long run. Antenna design is hard. I predict a new antenna design in iPhone 5.