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These companies are full of ****, come on all phones have this issue, Apple is only called out because they sell the most of one phone, if a blackberry sold 3,000,000 in 3 weeks then their reception issue with be the talk of the world, Apple has came out and told the truth are these other companies going to come out and tell the truth now?

Nope. No other phone in the world can be disabled by a touch of a finger. Get your facts straight.
 
Everyone talking about the antenna issue is way off base...

This whole circus is Apple's doing. They built the Jesus Phone, sent hype through the stratosphere, purposely was ill prepared to take orders, and then forced people to wait in ridiculous lines on Launch Day for even more free press.

So when the greatest cell phone since Moses on Mount Sainai was disabled by the human hand, the howls were equally loud.

Overhyped B.S. flows both ways. If Apple didn't want the mass criticism, they should tone down their own egos a notch or two below "deity."

:apple: :rolleyes:
 
Well - either there is a good reason for putting it where they did

or apple are dumb and all their success so far has been a fluke

Then why do they not come out and say so instead of dragging everyone else into this? Or is it perhaps some national security issue as to why they decided to put the worst possible spot to touch the phone where most users was going to touch it?

They love us so much that they make a great product only to cripple it's core functionality and thus harder for all of us to easily enjoy an otherwise excellent smartphone?

Who cares if other phones have the same problem when you want a current phone that uses iOS?
 
First, I think it's probably fair to say that for every single phone that shows four signal bars, every user everywhere will always see 1-2 bars except where they see 3-4.

The only case not included in that is no bars-- no signal at all. When you say you never see areas of low signal, that basically means that you've never left your coverage area (not that your operator has signal everywhere, because none of them do). What it does mean is that for the purpose of demonstrating this antenna flaw-- whether the apparently dramatic attenuation in the iPhone 4 or the less dramatic drops in other vendors phones-- you lie outside the scope of the experiment, since the entire issue revolves around what happens when that attenuation takes a signal that *is already low* and drops it below the point where it is usuable-- to where it negatively affects call quality or causes a call to drop.

If you never travel to a location where your signal level is that low, you probably won't see a noticeable drop even if your handset had such a flaw and you were holding it in such a way to cause that flaw to manifest.

Sir you do not understand. I am on the Verizon network. Where I live, you have trouble finding dead-spots in their network. Outside of where I live you will have trouble finding dead-spots. This last christmas I went christmas tree hunting in the Lassen national forest and was still using 3G at 8,0000 ft in the middle of nowhere in the forest. I'm not migratory, but I'm not sitting in the same spot.
 
Nope. No other phone in the world can be disabled by a touch of a finger. Get your facts straight.

You get YOUR facts straight. Apple has proven that. What rock have you been under? Oh yeah, that usual troll rock. Show us where those Apple videos are wrong. :rolleyes:
 
You get YOUR facts straight. Apple has proven that. What rock have you been under? Oh yeah, that usual troll rock. Show us where those Apple videos are wrong. :rolleyes:

I didn't see apple proving that other phones can be disabled by a touch of a finger. All I saw was apple showing other phones can have the number of bars reduced by wrapping a hand around the entire antenna.

Can you direct me to the point I must have missed on the video?
 
I didn't see apple proving that other phones can be disabled by a touch of a finger. All I saw was apple showing other phones can have the number of bars reduced by wrapping a hand around the entire antenna.

Can you direct me to the point I must have missed on the video?

You must've missed it, conveniently. :rolleyes:. The Blackberry Bold. Just notice that the person in the video's thumb lays over the same area as the iPhone 4 which causes the signal to drop. I guess you'll find a way to defend that too. :rolleyes:
http://www.apple.com/antenna/
 
You must've missed it, conveniently. :rolleyes:. The Blackberry Bold. Just notice that the person in the video's thumb lays over the same area as the iPhone 4 which causes the signal to drop. I guess you'll find a way to defend that too. :rolleyes:
http://www.apple.com/antenna/

You are incorrect. Watch that video. The bars do not drop until the guy holds the phone in his palm. The photo you are looking at, with one thumb, gets 5 bars.

Again, where did Apple prove that ANY other phone drops calls with just the touch of a single finger?
 
The trouble for you fanbois defending the indefensible is that the iPhail 4 is rendered utterly useless by the merest tip of the finger. No death grip required. Keep drinking the koolaid. :rolleyes:

That's BS, I live near 4 Apple stores and have gone to every one of them and tested their phones and I made a video. There was no way the signal even moved by the touch of my finger. I had to lay my thumb over the buttons on the top for at least 5 seconds before even one bar dropped. Stop making it up as you're going along. :p
 
That's BS, I live near 4 Apple stores and have gone to every one of them and tested their phones and I made a video. There was no way the signal even moved by the touch of my finger. I had to lay my thumb over the buttons on the top for at least 5 seconds before even one bar dropped. Stop making it up as you're going along. :p

Apple stores typically are either in strong reception areas or have their own cells to make the phones look good. (my phone drops calls with the death touch at my house and office, but not at valley fair apple store, university ave apple store, etc)

Again, please address my point and show me where apple proved any other phone drops calls with a touch of a single finger.
 
The trouble for you fanbois defending the indefensible is that the iPhone 4 is rendered utterly useless by the merest tip of the finger. No death grip required. Keep drinking the koolaid. :rolleyes:

Fixed your spelling error.

Most iPhone 4 owners have never experienced this issue. It has nothing to do with koolaid. It’s just facts, which the media and posters like you don’t care about.
 
If Apple didn't want the mass criticism, they should tone down their own egos a notch or two below "deity."

Yeah, play it safe, why bother innovate?

I'd rather see them try and fail than not bother at all.

This is probably the most uncorrelated reply I have ever seen so far in macrumors. Mr. Fusion was talking about hype created by apple at product launches and your response was sarcasm over apple's innovation. bravo! :rolleyes:

its common sense to at least read others' comments before trolling.
 
The trouble for you fanbois defending the indefensible is that the iPhail 4 is rendered utterly useless by the merest tip of the finger. No death grip required. Keep drinking the koolaid. :rolleyes:

You RIM fanboys are upset the CEO of RIM won't come out and admit similar problems. What's his/her name anyway?
 
Apple stores typically are either in strong reception areas or have their own cells to make the phones look good. (my phone drops calls with the death touch at my house and office, but not at valley fair apple store, university ave apple store, etc)

Again, please address my point and show me where apple proved any other phone drops calls with a touch of a single finger.

Wrong again, my video shows me testing out 2 phones, one of them successfully dropped signal and the other one did not in the same store right next to each other, no matter how I held it. You sound like you're just pissed because Apple proved the news media and the rest of the haters here who blew this crap out proportion wrong. Funny how you're trying to come up with ways as to how they actually held the competitors phones and now you're saying that their stores are designed so the phones work better there? "face in the palms". :rolleyes:
 
You get YOUR facts straight. Apple has proven that.
Apple has proven that other phones lose signal with the touch of a fingertip? Hardly. They've proven that they lose signal if you wrap your hand around the antenna area and squeeze hard. That's a different and acceptable behavior (not desirable - acceptable), which is why everyone accepted it when the 3GS and 3G did the same thing. Those phones were never singled out for any signal issues, because they were on par with the rest of the market in that department.

A lot of hard work is being put into diffusing the issue here, but sorry, no sell. No amount of verbal contortionists are going to make attenuation and bridging the same thing. Apple knew they took a risk by placing the naked antennas on the exterior of the phone. They did it in their ceaseless pursuit of thinner and thinner products. It was a bold design choice and it blew up in their face. And now they're retroactively "redesigning" the phone by offering free cases to cover the naked antenna, in effect changing the iPhone 4 to be more like other manufacturers' phones except their antenna covers aren't detachable. The solution is acceptable. I personally find it satisfactory. But the way they handled this issue is far from acceptable.
 
Wrong again, my video shows me testing out 2 phones, one of them successfully dropped signal and the other one did not in the same store right next to each other, no matter how I held it. You sound like you're just pissed because Apple proved the news media and the rest of the haters here who blew this crap out proportion wrong. Funny how you're trying to come up with ways as to how they actually held the competitors phones and now you're saying that their stores are designed so the phones work better there? "face in the palms". :rolleyes:

First, I'm not pissed. I am just disputing your false comments. I have no problem with Apple. My problem is unsupported assertions. You said Apple proved other phones suffer call drops from a single touch. You called someone a troll for saying it hadn't been proven.

I asked you to show me where Apple proved it.

You pointed me at a still photo of someone holding a blackberry bold with a thumb, which showed 5 bars. Clicking the photo shows that the bars do not drop until the phone is moved into the palm of the hand, with the fingers wrapped all around it.

I asked you, again, to prove your point. You provided the above post, which doesn't seem to prove anything.

As for cells in Apple stores, yes, there are cells in apple stores where there are weak at&t signals. There are also cells in at&t stores. This is not a controversial comment. It's just common sense.

I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to "your video." So I ask again: you said apple proved that other phones die from a single finger touch. Please point me to where apple proved that. Which video, at which time code? Because having watched them all, I only see where apple showed that other phones can lose bars if you hold them in such a way that your hand surrounds the entire antenna, so you must have a URL for some video that I am missing.
 
Because that is where the FCC requires it to be, as has been stated several times.

It has been stated several times, but it is incorrect. I do not think you understand what the FCC requires. The antenna does not have to be on the bottom. The Droid antenna is on the top.

Location of the HTC Droid Eris' main antenna - from Apple(http://www.apple.com/antenna/):
htcdroideris-position-20100715.jpg
 
Apple has proven that other phones lose signal with the touch of a fingertip? Hardly. They've proven that they lose signal if you wrap your hand around the antenna area and squeeze hard. That's a different and acceptable behavior (not desirable - acceptable), which is why everyone accepted it when the 3GS and 3G did the same thing. Those phones were never singled out for any signal issues, because they were on par with the rest of the market in that department.

A lot of hard work is being put into diffusing the issue here, but sorry, no sell. No amount of verbal contortionists are going to make attenuation and bridging the same thing. Apple knew they took a risk by placing the naked antennas on the exterior of the phone. They did it in their ceaseless pursuit of thinner and thinner products. It was a bold design choice and it blew up in their face. And now they're retroactively "redesigning" the phone by offering free cases to cover the naked antenna, in effect changing the iPhone 4 to be more like other manufacturers' phones except their antenna covers aren't detachable. The solution is acceptable. I personally find it satisfactory. But the way they handled this issue is far from acceptable.

Okay, so what rebuttal would you throw to me if I showed you a video of at least one of those same phones on Apple's website attenuate the signal with just a fingertip vs the deathgrip? Would you accept that or are you just another RIM fanboy trying to cover up the competitions imperfections?
 
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