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It's more like when you break something as a kid and your parents, uncles, cousins, etc. start beating the crap out of you and you have to remind them that all kids break things and it's not fair to single you out.
God I used to HATE when that happened!
Hate to ask, but how is breaking things not wrong (just because everyone does it)? Isn't learning that, part of life growing up?
Yet you're still wasting energy only to complain about complainers, how does that make you different (if not worse)? Please, give me a hint so I can at least try to understand your motivations...
Also, I'm here because I enjoy other Apple products, yet you want to deter me, and anyone like me from thinking Apple could do better? Fortunately for us all, Apple themselves don't.
I didn't realize we weren't allowed to be skeptics against an Apple product in an Apple-based forum. Perhaps you've been here too long? Please, if little else, grow some tolerance... it will only do you good.
Im not sure what his agenda is, but I post to make sure the trolls dont give the newer people the wrong idea (i.e., if you get the iPhone 4 youre going to lose signal all/most of the time). Whether you believe me or not, I think people should have all the information they can to make an informed decision. Thats why a number of people post rebuttals to the complainers, IMO. Otherwise, youd just have noise, and it would all be negative. Of course, there are fanboys, who post ridiculous stuff no matter what Apple does. You need to learn to discern the difference.
BTW, Im not a fanboy.
Do I wish the antenna was even better? Sure. However, I agree that the antenna needed to be where it is for what Apple was trying to accomplish with this design. Can it be better? Maybe. The antenna originates from the top and ends at the bottom, which is why bridging does nothing at the top.
Ahh thanks. But what about my second question? Think about it. Touching an antenna will decrease it's strength EXCEPT the iPhone 4 (unless of course your holding it where the oter antenna meets) that's something I don't understand.
BTW, I’m not a fanboy.
BTW I'm not more of a "troll" than you're "fanboy" either and frankly doesn't appreciate being convicted as one just because I happen to have registered recently and criticizing Apple on some of their decisions or asking about the reasons.
It is very tiresome to be classified as "troll" and what not because I keep a brandless perspective of things. Like I've written a number of times now, I'm here to make an informed decision, just like you say. Need I remind you that senseless bickering is senseless both ways.
If you give a bother, please correct your post and instead advice me on how I can keep asking my sensitive questions without triggering the over-sensitive "troll" alarm around here?!
Huh? There must be a language barrier. I never called you a troll or even intimated you were one. Uh, wow?!
I'm sorry, it must be a language barrier. I thought you referred to me as having some hidden agenda?!
Fanbois don't know the difference between a death grip and a gentle finger tip causing bars and calls to drop. Apple and Mr Jobs have intentionally tried to muddy the waters.
On most modern phones the antena is impossible to directly touch. It is insulated by some part of the phone out side. The iPhone put it on the outside were human skin can touch it. I do not know of any phones that directly touch the anttena will really screw it up. Apples gets screwed because it is vein shorted out when you bridge the gap. For
me it would be a issue because that is where one of my finger rest plus I temd to sweat from my hands making them more conductive than a normal person so even a greater chance of me shorting it out
Your posts are not characteristic of trolling.
Trolling posts emanate from those who go out of their ways to paint Apple in the most negative light they can conjure - in a smugly berating, mocking and compulsive manner.
Trolling would contrast mere "senseless bickering," in a big way.
More like a CEO who SERIOUSLY needs to keep his mouth shut. Every time Jobs opens his yap, it's a PR disaster in the making. Someone at Apple needs to reign him in and keep him from communicating with the public
Ummm ... except that both have not hesitated to sue Apple in the past, and certainly have not hesitated to sue other competitors for misleading statements in the past.
If a company makes a misleading or flat out untrue claim, the only appropriate response is to sue or threaten to sue. Nokia has done this in the past. Blackberry has done this in the past.
The fact that neither is doing anything more than issuing a sternly-worded PR notice in this case is telling.
It's been quite a while since any Jobs' emails - it looks like the Apple lawyers have cut off his email access to the outside.
Although, looking at the response to Friday's "I-Fail" press conference - the PR department may decide to ban him from microphones as well.
Thank you for the clarification. I only try to see all sides before I make my decisions.
(1) That may be what you wanted to hear, but the Media attention meant that they needed to defend themselves from unreasonable attacks. Therefore, it was NOT a strawman or a distraction. it was the truth, used to show that they weren't negligent, that, unlike all the people online were asserting, they hadn't been sloppy, neglectful, or done this deliberately.
All of which, if you've been reading these forums, you'll know they were accused of.
(2) "we're sorry, and we'll fix it"--really? That's what you wanted to hear? Well, "sorry" you got. Steve said it. I heard it. As for the fix....Okay. Let's say Apple said "We'll fix it." How long would you be willing to wait for it to be fixed? A month? Two? Six? At what point would that promise ring hollow to you and no longer be enough? What if they'd said it and three months from now they said, "We can't fix it" or "We can fix it, but we have to re-do the entire phone and that'll take two years"? Would you have said, "Well, I'm fine with that. At least they said what I wanted to hear during the press conference"?
You--and everyone else who says that this is all they wanted to hear--is lying to yourself and to us. What you wanted was for them to say, "Bring in the phones tomorrow and, in five minutes, we'll fix the problem. You'll never have a dropped call again." But no matter what people say here, no one really knows or can say with authority that it can be fixed (if you know for sure it can be done and can do it, then you don't need Apple to fix it!). Or, if they can fix it, that it can be fixed quick and easy. So why would you want them to promise you something that they might not be able to deliver?
Why should they make such a promise without trying to fix it and finding out if it can be done and how easily/quickly it can be done?
Take your phone back. Get a refund. When and if they fix it, then you can decide if you've forgiven them enough to buy one, or if you will never forgive them and they've lost your business forever.
You were asking why Max(IT) does what he does. I was trying to explain it.
I looked through all your posts on this thread. Your main question seems to be why they picked the spot they did. No one knows, AFAIK. They couldve picked the corner and then it would be less likely to be touched, I guess. Feel free to ask any question you like about the design, as far as Im concerned.
Your other questions seemed to be about Why does all the bickering occur? Thats what I tried to answer in my previous post. Im sure others will disagree with me though.
At least showed people that the "ultra big problem", the "oh my god **** crap iphone 4". Happens in all phones. I was really happy with my E71, then I tried what everybody is doing with the iphone 4. Result: lost my "my bars", and went from 3G to GSM.
Distortion field or wake up field.
Good point, but I guess no company will offer even those numbers. We start with many phones working in the same way, but we don't have even numbers of how many calls do they drop.
It would be nice to see those numbers from other companies to compare.
Neither Nokia did. I had to discover by myself how to do it. Now at least I know.
Believe what you want, but do not cherry pick your what you believe just to make your case.
Deadline. First let's see if Jobs theory is true (Bumpers will fix it as they fixed the problem with the 3GS). If it is, perhaps we will see a bumper inside the iphone case, or... who knows.
Let's see if bumpers fix it. Meanwhile, grip your favourite phone and post it in youtube
For my E71, someone else did it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amPG52DVQuk
It takes more than a few days to prepare a decent complaint for federal district court.
Everywhere else you touch the antenna is being attenuated (by being surrounded by fingers/hands/whatever) to some effect. So, the more fingers/hands surrounding the phone, the more attenuation (reduction in strength). The only place the phone is effectively detuned is that special spot. Detuning is effectively lengthening the antenna, so it works differently than designed. Any more of an explanation will require a real RF engineer, which Im not.
What are you talking about? I accepted each of his factual statements as true. I just point out that several of them are misleading, and/or don't mean what they seem to mean and/or are besides the point. I am not "cherry picking" anything.
If the many features of the i4 aren't of enough value to you to outweigh the need to add a small bandaid to the corner (which many do not even need to do to successfully make calls), or use a (potentially free!) case, then there's very little reason for you to reconsider.
Whatever you think the current alternative product is for you, is and will likely stay the better choice for you, since you value the i4's display, gyro, improved GPS, improved camera, Facetime, etc. as worth so little to you.
There are many in the PR world who disagree. Most of them in fact.
"Don't hold it that way" was a genius statement.
It left no holes to pick at, imparted a concise instruction of how to avoid the problem and was almost impossible to misquote in zen-like simplicity.
Those that wanted to work out how to solve the issue were given the information.
Those that just wanted to whine were not humoured - they will always be whining.
When this is solved and forgotten - it will leave little more trace than the 3.1 coma.
Just a few screen grabs of "we are not perfect" "we want our customers to be happy", freebies or refunds all round, some sobering stats (less than 1% increase in dropped calls) and video illustrations that attenuation is a common engineering problem.
From a PR view - it was very well done.
(If you don't agree - you probably will also want a full recall)
And some complainers post rebuttals to the defense squad because they would spread misinformation :
1- 0.55% of iPhone 4s have the problem : Wrong! 0.55% of iPhone 4 users have called Applecare about it. This leaves out the fact that some went to the Apple Store, unknown number, some went to AT&T, unknown number, some went to O2 UK, unknown number, some complained on the Internet, unknown number, some waited patiently for a response from Apple, unknown number. Steve's comment was disingenuous and made in a way to mislead. It did, as now people are saying there's only 0.55% of units affected (well, at least, people in the iPhone 4 defense squad). It's 100% of units, Steve didn't deny it with only users in low signal areas seeing it represented on the bar display or dropping calls.
2- 1% more dropped calls than 3GS: Wrong! Again, a misleading statistic. It's actually that the iPhone 4 drops an entire percent point of calls than the 3GS does. Uh ? what ? Let's use AT&T's absolute drop call rate (all models combined) placed at 4.5% by ChangeWaveResearch :
Let's say for giggles that the 3GS is in the average, and drops that 4.5% of calls. Now what Steve said is not the iPhone 4 drops 1% more than 4.5% as some are claiming, it's that the iPhone 4 would be dropping 5.5% if this 4.5% number is true. This means an increase of close to 20% of dropped calls. Lies, damn lies and statistics!
3- If you don't like it, return it : Sorry, some people are beyond the 30 days for ETF. Ask BobVB. His contract was 30 days into it already when the Apple press conference happened. If he had waited for a return, he'd have gotten a refund on the phone, but would have been stuck with AT&T and no possibility of a phone subsidy. It's funny how Apple waited for this before making the press conference with essentially nothing.
Works both ways honey essentially. You want to call me a Apple hater ? A troll ? Be real. I have already decided I'm through with the iPhone. My 3GS will be my last, this is the straw that broke the camel's back. I bet the issue wouldn't even affect me, though I'm left handed, since I use a case anyhow. But Apple's response to this mess made me decide otherwise. I still love Macs. I still love the Macbook and find the value of the Mini phenominal. I still post about how it's not overpriced. Yes I'd rather Steve give people the option of blu-ray playback on OS X. Overall, I don't hate Apple. I don't like how they've handled this situation, I don't like their stance on Blu-ray, but I don't love/hate corporations.
Ah, ok. My bad then, we're good.
Yes, bickering and fighting... Seeing more similarities than differences often helps to cut down on that.