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I can't think of anything that Windows does that is difficult to do in OS X let alone impossible. .

By default Windows leaves the front door open to malware et. al.

Sorry I just couldn't resist the low hanging fruit :D
 
a lot more softwares + alot more combination of hardwares, thats more accurate.


well if you want to get down to it, the hardware vendors (like nVidia and ATI) are responsible for writing the drivers that actually allow for the hardware configurations - windows doesn't actually support them, the hardware manufacturer's software does.... so there's more software for windows. that is all.
 
Gorilla marketing?

What Apple seems to be employing here is "Gorilla marketing". Childish it my look but could be very effective in destroying big giants. Giants are big and powerful but this could also make them slow and stupid. Enrage them, they will run after you madly even without noticing that they have left their territory and entered into unknown lands with all their energy and resources exhausted. And now they are like bozos which can be taken out in single shot. This is the risk Apple is taking to bring down MS to its knees. And it seems to be showing its results. Devices like Zune, rumors like Zune phone are examples how MS guys are getting intimidated by Apple's campaign. I can only hope that there are still enough smart people left in MS that can see this and continue to work on their core strengths i.e to remain a platforms company which they are and not try to be everything. They right now in all places, gaming, platforms, development tools, productivity apps, business solutions, services, internet and god knows what else. But I must also admit Apple guys have guts to challenge anything. Let see what happens this year. Seems to me an entertaining year ahead.
 
Ok, I think these ads are childish and not warranted and I too think that Apple should show people they're strengths, and not try to put down the competition by showing their faults.

BUT. What is with the people here with comments like "I don't like Apple's smugness so I'm going to switch to Ubuntu Linux on my Mac" or "I'm not getting a Mac now because these ads are annoying". You mean to tell me that advertising actually influences what you use? Just because of an advertising campaign you're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater? Sorry, that's idiotic and just plain shallow. Hate to be blunt, but I think some of you need a little bluntness smacked across your face to wake you up out of a stupor.

if ads have no influence, why ppl making them?

well if you want to get down to it, the hardware vendors (like nVidia and ATI) are responsible for writing the drivers that actually allow for the hardware configurations - windows doesn't actually support them, the hardware manufacturer's software does.... so there's more software for windows. that is all.

lol,
1, do end user care about why?

2, does apple give 3rd party hardware manufacturers as many chance as windows give them?

don't always blame other ppl, think about apple itself first.
 
PC manufactures do have a better price/component ratio because they use conroe chips...apple DOES need lik a 1000$ model with conroe

Not necessarily defending Apple here, but they don't "need" to compete at every single price point of every single PC manufacturer. Apple's lineup is selling like mad, their market research (for which they paid a lot of money and did a lot of homework on) indicates this is the best mix of features at this price point, and their sales are proving this to be the case.

I'm a print designer, so a PowerMac was my choice. My sister is a more mainstream user who wants to surf the web, play a few games, write emails, download digital pics, and occasionally use Office to do some work from home. For her the iMac was an excellent choice, and she couldn't be happier. My dad will likely get an iMac when he moves to his new house because it has the best combination of features.
 
Yes, kids please do stay in school. And learn that NASA dont have their own operating system-there is no such thing.

Good advice Bobcat.

And also kids please learn that apple fanatics will deiscredit anything going against apple-even if the company is far superior then it. Their minds have been distoreted so much that they still feel like aqua is above aero in the gui dpt. And they still feel like apple is this innovative company with great ideas lol

You know, I just spent about twenty seconds on Google and learned that NASA has their own OS called "Time Warp". You may want to spend a little bit of time researching your arguments before you try to ridicule others via mediocre grammar.

And I believe that the original Mac, the iMac, OS X, the iPod, iPhone, and :apple:TV would be excellent examples of actual innovations made by Apple.

Clearly you are very selective in what you choose to believe and you seem to base those decisions on isolated ideas in your head (ideas such as "I think NASA uses Windows"), so I won't be offended if you don't believe me.
 
There are sure a bunch of wimpy soccer mom types around here.

Competition is what makes living....well worth living. In the business world that is. What else is there?

I hope some of you could be my competitors. You would get hungry very quickly.

Apple is saying nor doing anything that is not true. The truth can hurt. Just ask Billy Boy on his cross country Vista tour nightmare.
 
lol,
1, do end user care about why?

2, does apple give 3rd party hardware manufacturers as many chance as windows give them?

don't always blame other ppl, think about apple itself first.

i mean M$ definitely allows more hardware manufacurers to develop, and apple restricts that. but there's a big difference between M$ and ? here in that M$ just wants to sell their software, whereas ? wants to sell their hardware. So M$ basically says "I don't care what hardware you want to run this on, just buy it from us" and ? says (nowadays) "I don't care what OS you run on it, just buy it from us" They have different objectives as far as hardware configurations are concerned.
 
if ads have no influence, why ppl making them?

Well, some ads work. They introduce a product or show a new feature of an existing product to make people want to go out and buy it. Are you personally influenced by these anti-vista ads at all? Do you think others will be? Sure, maybe some.

But my jab was mainly aimed at some of the people in this thread that were making claims of getting rid of their Macs or switching to Linux just because of these ads. Isn't that a tad shallow? I know they're probably not going to anyway and just spouting off nonsense here, but really...change your entire OS just because you don't like an ad? Come on...
 
You know, I just spent about twenty seconds on Google and learned that NASA has their own OS called "Time Warp". You may want to spend a little bit of time researching your arguments before you try to ridicule others via mediocre grammar.

And I believe that the original Mac, the iMac, OS X, the iPod, iPhone, and :apple:TV would be excellent examples of actual innovations made by Apple.

Clearly you are very selective in what you choose to believe and you seem to base those decisions on isolated ideas in your head (ideas such as "I think NASA uses Windows"), so I won't be offended if you don't believe me.

And don't forget NASA (as well as any company) can use, brace yourself for it, MULTIPLE operating systems! << gasp >> They might use Windows on some computers and their own OS on other computers. If you expect that one operating system can do everything in the world well, you're deluding yourself.
 
well if you want to get down to it, the hardware vendors (like nVidia and ATI) are responsible for writing the drivers that actually allow for the hardware configurations - windows doesn't actually support them, the hardware manufacturer's software does.... so there's more software for windows. that is all.

Yeah but both nVidia and ATI have written Linux drivers. So it stands to reason if Apple would support all of their cards, they'd write drivers for Mac,
 
You know, I just spent about twenty seconds on Google and learned that NASA has their own OS called "Time Warp". You may want to spend a little bit of time researching your arguments before you try to ridicule others via mediocre grammar.

And I believe that the original Mac, the iMac, OS X, the iPod, iPhone, and :apple:TV would be excellent examples of actual innovations made by Apple.

Clearly you are very selective in what you choose to believe and you seem to base those decisions on isolated ideas in your head (ideas such as "I think NASA uses Windows"), so I won't be offended if you don't believe me.

NASA may use their own O/S but folks on the shuttle use MS Outlook for email.I've watched them do it on NASA TV.
 
I have NEVER been a salesman, and even now 90% of my work is in Networking Solutions and Training, but when i rarely get the chance to hang around on the shop floor for a while it is a pleasure talking to people about how the OS could really help them just get things done. I don't SELL customers Apple computers, i just strongly believe that any person, shown a tool that will suite them better than something they already have, will buy it. I know i certainly did!

It's true. I work technically as a hardware salesman at CompUSA. I SUCK at sales because I'm not pushy at it; someone tells me no to something and I don't force it on them like most of the sales people do.

Yet, the salespeople that add hundreds of dollars on their paycheck a week in sheer bonuses tell me I'm the best Mac salesman they've ever seen barring the Apple rep; but all I do is show them what they can do with it (and perhaps my sheer enthusiasm bleeds over).
 
And don't forget NASA (as well as any company) can use, brace yourself for it, MULTIPLE operating systems! << gasp >> They might use Windows on some computers and their own OS on other computers. If you expect that one operating system can do everything in the world well, you're deluding yourself.

You know, I was really just trying to shoot down uNext. He was claiming that NASA did not write its own OS. I provided a link stating otherwise. I did not mean to imply that NASA doesn't use Windows at all, but I really don't know what OS's are in use there, so I won't comment either way.

But oh yeah, << gasp >>. So glad I braced myself before reading your comment. You've taught me so much.
 
Not necessarily defending Apple here, but they don't "need" to compete at every single price point of every single PC manufacturer. Apple's lineup is selling like mad, their market research (for which they paid a lot of money and did a lot of homework on) indicates this is the best mix of features at this price point, and their sales are proving this to be the case.

I'm a print designer, so a PowerMac was my choice. My sister is a more mainstream user who wants to surf the web, play a few games, write emails, download digital pics, and occasionally use Office to do some work from home. For her the iMac was an excellent choice, and she couldn't be happier. My dad will likely get an iMac when he moves to his new house because it has the best combination of features.

I see what your saying..but personally no desktop apple computer appeals to me. I already own a good monitor..so the imac is out. The mac mini has no graphics card so thats out. The Mac Pro is way to much for my needs, so that's out. Personally, if they had a desktop with 2 hd bays, 1 dvd bay, 1 conroe chip, 2 gigs of ram, and a radeon 1900xt or something for 1000$, I'd jump on it.
 
What dictionaries are your reading? Holiday is a proper noun and does appear in dictionaries. Check your dashboard dictionary widget if you don't believe me. Although holiday may be a word used for christmas, it is the Brits version of 'vacation'. A word has more than one meaning. Please get your facts straight before posting stuff like this, and using wiki as your refernces isnt the greatest idea. Ok wikipedia is a great source, but it isnt all true, anyone can edit it, for example someone could read your post and edit wikipedia to say it isnt a proper noun as it doesnt exist in dictionaries, someone else reads it and tells someone else. More research than wiki alone is needed ;)

I wasn't using wiki as a source; the other guy was.

I say that Holiday does not exist in the dictionary as a proper noun. It is a generic word, which is what you were saying as well. MacRumors, as well as Apple, have been using Holiday (e.g. Holiday 2007) as describing some kind of specific time/date/event.

I have checked the dashboard widget, and it supports my position.

I also notice some sort of apparatchik deleted my post that you were responding to. Very Apple-esque!
 
New Mac Commercial...


Steve: "Bill, since you don't like our current commercials about Vista, we thought about creating a new commercial that would let PC tout all the new functions and apps that is currently in R&D and will be in Vista II when it comes out. So I need your help with the script. What will PC say?"

Bill: "Can't Steve, Leopard and it's full functionality hasn't been released yet!"

It's easy to say Mac is smug when there are more features showing up in other OS's after the Mac releases theirs, then visa-versa. Even if computer companies are emulating Apple's "tight lip" with regards to specifics, maybe they can at least give a synopsis of their future OS's "vision" like when Apple did when it decided to change the "vision" of the personal computer "to become a Digital Hub" and thus various products and apps have followed since, like iLife apps, iPod, iTMS, :apple: tv, iPhone...

So, Bill Gates, I know you are out of the loop somewhat, but maybe you and Steve Ballmer can preannounce Microsoft's vision and what might be coming up next so Apple can't be smug and say "Redmond, start your photocopiers"! :rolleyes:
 
Hmm, let's examine this. If you are an entry level Mac user, you don't need or want a high end graphics card -- chances are you don't even know what that is. Mac Mini is perfect. Perhaps there are those who don't want a Mac, but want to find a way to get their iTunes content onto their TV... oh wait, there's AppleTV! Then there are the mid-range computer users who want a nice screen and feature set, so they have the iMac which is as fast as anything in its price range. Those who want lots of expandability to do their own thing are high end users, and that's what the Mac Pro is all about.

People who make statements such as yours just sound like they are upset they can't afford the most power Mac system, so they bash Apple for not putting the Mac Pro's capabilities into a Mac Mini box for under $400. Your arguments have no basis and hold no water.
So apple not having a mid grade Consumer tower holds no water? LOL Thats funny 95% of the world says you dont know what you are saying. PLus I have bought and supported Apple since you were in diapers more then likely. Apples hardware is a joke. Best software on gimmicky hardware. (edit) we need another quicksilver!
 
All microsoft has that apple doesn't is a lot more software. That's about it. I can't think of anything that Windows does that is difficult to do in OS X let alone impossible. The real reason the government and all use windows is because they'd have to buy all of their software again, and that makes no sense.

Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure most people in my government drink the blood of virgins to live longer, which might have something to do with why they use windows.

bLU-RAY DRIVES AND HD-DVD are now supported on both xp and vista.
Blu-ray and hd dvd have been supported by xp for a little over a year or more.

Can mac os x claim this? Can mac os x really claim in giving you the ability to choose your own hardware?
 
bLU-RAY DRIVES AND HD-DVD are now supported on both xp and vista.
Blu-ray and hd dvd have been supported by xp for a little over a year or more.

Can mac os x claim this? Can mac os x really claim in giving you the ability to choose your own hardware?

Oh really? Windows Vista: No Blu-ray/HD DVD support out of the box

I really wish you would at least consider looking these things up first.

Oops, that link was a few months old. Here's one from yesterday: Vista will not support Blu-ray or HD DVD playback out-of-the-box or on most PCs
 
So apple not having a mid grade Consumer tower holds no water? LOL Thats funny 95% of the world says you dont know what you are saying. PLus I have bought and supported Apple since you were in diapers more then likely. Apples hardware is a joke. Best software on gimmicky hardware.
I wouldn't say that, but you're right that there are a couple of gaps in the product mix that could do with filling. A reborn Cube, priced properly, for one.

Anyway, that's for another thread (and another....and another...;) )
 
Vista runs on Macs, i find this a very bad marketing ploy if Leopard won't run on PC's. Windows and osX will have to battle it out on the same hardware and the Mac will have to prove its superiority on its own.
 
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