My post was in relation to SDColorado quoting me in relation to that touch bar, I didn't understand the connection.
I wasn't criticizing touchscreen at all.
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My post was in relation to SDColorado quoting me in relation to that touch bar, I didn't understand the connection.
I wasn't criticizing touchscreen at all.
I realized, i was quoting the wrong person, and I removed the post, but I was too late
I agree. However. I do like the trackpad on XPS. And i have used MBP 2014 for about 4 years. If you are open to experimentation, try dual booting your windows with ubuntu. The synaptics driver are a delite as well.
What "bloatware" do you imagine most Windows machines come with that is responsible for slowing the machine down? Most come with "crapware" like Candy Crush pre-installed, but like Apples "crapware" can be easily uninstalled or not used.
The Touchscreen is strictly your personal opinion, just like preferring a touch screen is mine. You would disable touch screen if you were forced to get it, fine. I would never order a MBP with the touch bar if given a choice not to either, but Apple didn't give me that choice. But while you may be able to disable the touch screen on a touch screen enabled computer, the only option you have to get rid of the touch bar in favor of function keys is to attach an external keyboard. Which of the two is a bigger inconvenience?
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I think I got confused by the shifting posts too hahaha. Nevermind
Yeah I agree. I’m personally not a fan of the surface. Windows aside, I want a laptop and not a laptop slash hybrid tablet. Windows is tablet mode is still clunky, and touch screen on a laptop is pointless in my opinion. Imagine taking the amazing displays on macs then putting greasy finger prints all over it. Eww
Another on for Surface Book best track pad I've used on any Windows machine.
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What "bloatware" do you imagine most Windows machines come with that is responsible for slowing the machine down? Most come with "crapware" like Candy Crush pre-installed, but like Apples "crapware" can be easily uninstalled or not used.
The Touchscreen is strictly your personal opinion, just like preferring a touch screen is mine. You would disable touch screen if you were forced to get it, fine. I would never order a MBP with the touch bar if given a choice not to either, but Apple didn't give me that choice. But while you may be able to disable the touch screen on a touch screen enabled computer, the only option you have to get rid of the touch bar in favor of function keys is to attach an external keyboard. Which of the two is a bigger inconvenience?
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I think I got confused by the shifting posts too hahaha. Nevermind
If people don't like what the OEM provided on the software image as you say it's easily uninstalled. Same with Mac's as they also come with useless applications by default. I'd far rather they all came with the base OS and let the user decide on the rest.
Once you "get" Touch & Pen then it's hard not to have as it most definitely adds to productivity, hence why my secondary machine will always be Touch & Pen enabled, while the primary is there for the heavy lifting. As for the Touch Bar going nowhere fast as Apple has done little to nothing to advance it, for most just a flashy gimmick.
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Big aspect for me too, Apple simply can't be trusted not to do the same and allow the Mac to rot. Currently Apple is just reacting to the highly negative press around the Mac Pro, I agree it will be another rip-off and highly likely just a locked down appliance.
My regret is not switching sooner to more productive hardware, instead of believing that Apple would actually do something meaningful with the Mac which it wont...
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The thing with touchscreen, is that it is kind of like SiriusXM radio on your car. Just because it’s there doesn’t force you to activate it and use it and you can even disable it. TouchBar doesn’t really give you many options. Yes, you can configure it to always show Fn keys, but that doesn’t make them physical keys. Some, like myself would have preferred to order a machine with the physical keys, had the option been presented.
I like the touchscreen, others won’t. That’s fine. But at least you have options there.
I agree that the touch bar is mostly a gimmick. It could have been more useful, Apple said "here, use this" to software developers and the like, expecting them to do things with it and make it useful, they didn't and it, therefore, went nowhere.
To be fair, I do use it for some tasks, but nothing that I would miss if it wasn't there.
The new MBA has the right idea. Touch ID, nothing more. It has a purpose.
Beyond 2019, expect a redesign of the MBP that was part of the "roadmap" not an acceptance of a poor keyboard design or whatever.
As always use what works for you. I have looked at the surface laptop and others, all have downsides just as the MBP does. I found no Windows laptop that had enough upsides to cancel out the MBP downsides. So I will stick with what I know and besides anything else, puts money in the bank.
If it was a personal device for general tasks I needed then I would probably go with Asus, they were as close as I could get to being comfortable on a Windows laptop.
To be fair, I do use it for some tasks, but nothing that I would miss if it wasn't there.
The new MBA has the right idea. Touch ID, nothing more. It has a purpose.
Beyond 2019, expect a redesign of the MBP that was part of the "roadmap" not an acceptance of a poor keyboard design or whatever.
As always use what works for you. I have looked at the surface laptop and others, all have downsides just as the MBP does. I found no Windows laptop that had enough upsides to cancel out the MBP downsides. So I will stick with what I know and besides anything else, puts money in the bank.
If it was a personal device for general tasks I needed then I would probably go with Asus, they were as close as I could get to being comfortable on a Windows laptop.
I don’t expect major changes to macs until Apple starts bleeding money. They’re now complacent and lost any hope of vision of innovation.
Jobs came back to Apple and in 8 years saved the OS, saved the computer line, brought us iPhones, iPads, and iPods. 8 years since Jobs died Apple has brought only tiny tweaks here and there.
Playing it safe and scared to be bold.
Jobs came back to Apple and in 8 years saved the OS, saved the computer line, brought us iPhones, iPads, and iPods. 8 years since Jobs died Apple has brought only tiny tweaks here and there.
Playing it safe and scared to be bold.
I wouldn't call the current keyboard playing it safe or being scared to be bold
It was really only an answer to the thinner MacBook and redesign right? Had to minimize the keys.
In any case yeah the keyboard is a step backwards.
[doublepost=1550342654][/doublepost]Since we are talking about bad ideas let’s just throw out the $160 AirPods lol.
That’s something we all want. $160 things I can lose. Meanwhile I had a $20 Bluetooth rechargeable set from amazon that has amazing sound.
I wouldn't call the current keyboard playing it safe or being scared to be bold
I would suggest incompetent & arrogant to be more fitting.
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I don’t disagree with anything you just said, which is why ultimately after trying 2 or 3 Windows models I went back to MBP #5.
Which isn’t to say I love everything about my MBP, I don’t. But for now I like it better than the alternatives I tried. To some degree for purely sentimental reasons. I just wasn’t ready to leave the Apple eco completely yet, though I do also really like my Surface Pro.
But there are new machines coming out all the time and while for now I stayed with the Mac, who knows in the long term or even the short.
I could change my mind next year or even next month
I really like the Asus Studio S and if it were 4K I think I might have had one on pre-order. But if I could get my head around FHD, I might still get there.
that was my view on the Surface Laptop that can never be opened with destroying it, that's incompetent and arrogant. Even if the RAM and SSD are soldered, a potentially simple and cheap out of warranty repair costs hundreds. Well, it can't be repaired, only replaced.
True, I'm not keen on the sealed up approach, although I believe that MS just replace the unit if any issue which is ok, and they have an out of warranty scheme that's not unreasonably priced.
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Have my eye on the Studiobook S myself, not overly concerned with the resolution, more the quality of the panel. I would like to see one first hand, before parting with the $$$$
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I don't get some of MS' move with regard to the Surface product line. One one hand, they seem so be nicely designed and well built but they chose to make opening them up virtually impossible. They're also priced very highly and I think that's a mistake, but those machines seem to have found a following.
1. On a laptop (Mac or Windows) I agree. I have iPads and other similar devices.
2. I would rather it not even be installed. Since it's the final layer, it turns a nice matte screen into a mirror. On cheap laptops, I've seen resolution mis-matches between LCD and TouchScreens that causes screen-door effect at certain angles.
[doublepost=1550346275][/doublepost]So, to answer the thread topic, no … I’m not ready to jump-ship. It’s still the machine I will run XCode on (nope, no Hackintosh for me).
It’s just inconvenient using two different OSes every week… plus iOS . Yeah, the family and I are heavy into the Apple consumer stuff, iCloud, and the Apple ecosystem in general. Even Microsoft Outlook paired with “iCloud for Windows” can’t match what happens on a real Mac … and the integration with iOS/iCloud is getting better/closer every year.
If I could have a new, reasonably priced, upgradable, nicely configured MacPro desktop … that would handle a nice/modern Nvidia gaming card … I’d likely make that my daily driver. macOS would be my Primary OS. I could just natively BootCamp Windows-10/11 (likely just for QuickBooks and Windows gaming … everything else would be moved over to the Mac side).
Google reveals pages like this:
https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-pro/
But as usual, Apple does a really good job of hiding new hardware until reveal. Yeah, that would be funny if everyone just gave-up waiting.
I'm trying to wait and see it also (before buying another Mac/Windows desktop). I think my biggest concerns are:
- It will priced too high
- I won't be the "expandable tower" most of us Pros want
- Will it still do a (full) BootCamp boot for native Windows use
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MR is a dumpster fire... but it's just following the evolution of the internet... we're seeing the same things on every website and forum... from the click-bait headlines to the least informed and knowledgeable people being the loudest voices in every online discussion. The devolving discourse is a reflection of that.
A couple things to keep in mind...
MacRumors has never been a "support" site - it's a prototypical "tech" site... it's mostly people who like to tinker with tech. The tech industry is moving away from people who like to tinker with tech to "consumer" devices where people using the devices have no interest in "tech" in itself... the devices are simply tools to do whatever it is they want to do. This transition has been going on since the first PC's of the 1970's... so whether someone started tinkering in the '70s or not until 2010, they've been subjected to this trend of computers becoming more and more closed devices.
And just like those guys who like to tinker with cars, they don't like the new stuff because they can't tinker with it. To someone who's always liked being able to upgrade their RAM or their storage drive or whatever it is, it's a net loss to them. Whereas, the other 93% of the computer buying public couldn't care less... but they obviously aren't going to hang out on a tech forum to rant about why they couldn't care less.
Add to that Apple products are "premium" devices at "premium" prices. The regulars on tech forums are mostly young people with no money or very limited budgets, and... older tech enthusiasts with no money or very limited budgets. When you're on a very limited budget, one way to save money is to tinker... if you can do it yourself, you can save money. If the device is closed and limited upgradeability, you can't save money, and so you don't like the product. Then there are a lot of people who simply resent the cost of the product because they can't afford it but feel entitled to it.
Then there's simply the "internet" - as wonderfully "open to all" as the internet is, without proper "enforcement", public forums slowly devolve to the lowest common denominator... just think youtube "comment" sections. That's where forums like MR are headed. There are regular posters here with literally hundreds of posts saying essentially the same thing... fill-in-the-blank Apple product sucks or some variation on that.
Without casting aspersions (i.e. we can't really talk about this)... what kind of a person spends so much time on a forum posting that? More importantly, what kind of a person continues to participate in a space where that's the "norm"? IOW, the forums are self-selective. It's a certain kind of person that will post the same negative thing hundreds of times. And it's a certain kind of person that wants to continue to read the same negative thing hundreds of times. And no surprise, there's far more of the former than latter, so we've seen a brain-drain as the latter moves on or rarely participates. You're left with mostly people who like to rant and argue.
You'll see bizzaro-world accusations of the forums being overrun with Apple "apologists", but where are they all? The seem to be out-numbered about 10-1 by Apple "haters". I've been accused of being an apologist on more than one occasion. Even though I could write a hundred page book about all the shortcomings of Apple and Apple products. Because if you're not here to bash Apple on a daily basis, then you're an Apple apologist.
We obviously can't talk about Maflynn's moderating in "frank" terms, but I hope it's safe to remark that I think moderators of a very large and influential public forum like MR have to understand that when you become a "moderator", you gain certain privileges, and you give up certain privileges. It's like being a moderator at a political debate... with the title "moderator", you have undue influence, and you don't want the perception that you're using that influence to favor certain arguments or posters. This is a wide-spread "issue" with MR forums in general, and where much of the accusations of moderator unfairness stem from. And across the board, the mods are obtuse - I suspect that's partly why they are selected, but it also comes from being a moderator for too long. Just like what happened here, it's pretty much par for the course that if you make a comment about the negativity of the forums, they will point out that you could have just skipped this "negative" thread, as though you were commenting only on this thread specifically and ignoring that you were referring to the forums in general. I equate it to talking to a brick wall - every conversation with MR mods goes exactly the same way.
Yeah, with Surface the 4 year warranty on my Surface Pro under complete for business was less than Apple Care + for 2 years and if it breaks they charge me $49 and hand me a new one. That’s still cheaper than either of the Apple “co-pays” for display replacement or top case replacement. So who really cares if you can service it or not? Give me a new one in year 4 for $49. Why not?
Can’t wait to see some reviews on the Studio S
All of the people who buy it not realizing it could not be repaired and as a result didn't realize the warranty was such a critical consideration as a result? Which is probably the majority of people, warranties are considered rip off's by most and avoided.
I don't want to turn this into you list a positive and I a negative, so many others do that better than me. Sure, you got a decent warranty and if it lasts 4 years it will likely last 4 more if needed, if not you get a replacement.
Microsoft should be forced to tell people they are buying a machine that no matter what goes wrong with it, no repair is possible. Actually, it's a situation where the warranty should not be offered but built into the price.
I disagree. Apples hardware strategy is a total success.
It is a failure for your needs.
I have an iMac pro. Spec for spec it is similar in price to a PC workstation, is super quiet, has an awesome screen and has not once let me down. It also runs Windows 10 extremely quickly.
Regarding laptops, I have not found a better alternative than the MBP. yes some have slightly better specs, or cheaper price, but fail in other areas. I have tried very hard to find a PC laptop I want to buy, but none jump out.
I really would like someone to prove me wrong, and not just base it on specs and price.
Decisions should be based on [for most. - if you are a pragmatist or tech guy ignore this] :
1. Do I love it
2. Does it do what I need it to do
3. How does it feel to use and does it look great
4. when I handle and turn the computer on is it a joy every time
5. Can I go to a local store and discuss an issue with it
6. Where can I go to learn about my computer
7. How well does my phone and tablet integrate with it
8. Is it easy to use
Just my thoughts on the matter. As I have given a lot of thought to why I would want to leave Apple, and believe me I do have a few important reasons, but I simply cannot find better alternatives, that would make me more happy when I use them.
I used to be a tinkerer but now I am the latter who needs the device to be a tool. But then that is no surprise in the world today, tech is such an integrated part of what we do now that it needs to be a tool more than a device for tinkering.
I really do not want to contribute to this thread anymore (once was enough, its a crap show) but I will contribute one last time
This thread started by the OP complaining about his keyboard on his 2017 15" COMPANY ISSUED MBP. Giving mention to not being a PRO machine just a Macbook with extra bells and whistles and a price tag. I would say the same thing about my company Dell laptop.
795 posts later and the USUAL APPLE HATERS keeping the ridiculous thread going. You know who you are, just look at the repetition on how much you contributed to this thread.
If you are surprised that Apple laptops have quality issues or design issues, then you have not been paying attention for the last 12 plus years.
I had a 2008 White MacBook that I had to keep on a pillow or it would burn a hole in my jeans.
I had a 2011 MBP 15" the reason I joined this forum for help for the failing dGPU. The extended warranty repair was not invented for the 2016-2018 laptops. It goes way back.
If I have to climb in the trench with someone, I will take APPLE over any windows machine, They proved that to me over the years. It wasn't always pretty but they have always come through. Even my 2017 15" MBP......
Enjoy the rest of your fan fair on Windows and track pads........Maybe all you Apple Haters should be posting Pictures of your new laptops when you are done posting on Twitter.
This thread started by the OP complaining about his keyboard on his 2017 15" COMPANY ISSUED MBP. Giving mention to not being a PRO machine just a Macbook with extra bells and whistles and a price tag. I would say the same thing about my company Dell laptop.
795 posts later and the USUAL APPLE HATERS keeping the ridiculous thread going. You know who you are, just look at the repetition on how much you contributed to this thread.
If you are surprised that Apple laptops have quality issues or design issues, then you have not been paying attention for the last 12 plus years.
I had a 2008 White MacBook that I had to keep on a pillow or it would burn a hole in my jeans.
I had a 2011 MBP 15" the reason I joined this forum for help for the failing dGPU. The extended warranty repair was not invented for the 2016-2018 laptops. It goes way back.
If I have to climb in the trench with someone, I will take APPLE over any windows machine, They proved that to me over the years. It wasn't always pretty but they have always come through. Even my 2017 15" MBP......
Enjoy the rest of your fan fair on Windows and track pads........Maybe all you Apple Haters should be posting Pictures of your new laptops when you are done posting on Twitter.
Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 thread right here with over 11,000 posts. No clue why you had trouble finding it. It’s very active.