I'm not so sure about that. I think many laptops exceed the MBP on features, price and build quality. I was just pointing out the issues with the keyboard are not affecting 100% of the MBP owners.
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I think many laptops exceed the MBP on price and features. As for build quality, I do not think so. I have checked several laptops in stores and it is hard to say one of them would exceed the MBP in build quality (at least, on the materials used for its construction). I cannot say about reliability, although in my experience MBPs has been more reliable than other laptops.
Proof is in the pudding and just looking back at the MBP, its track record is not all that stellar
2008 - 2011 GPU issues - repair program for the 2011 MBP
2012 - 2015 coating issues, repair program
2016 - 2017 butterfly keyboard issue repair program
2018, butterfly keyboard issues, NO repair program
2016 and beyond, flexgate
I just have a strong opinion. No agendas here. You guys are hallucinating. Because I have a strong opinion, that was formed over a period of 25 years where I have been using windows privately and for work, I have an Agenda? I am just in a discussion forum expressing my opinion. If I can’t convince you or others, then cool. I don’t care. Everybody is different and not everyone has the same quality standards or even expectations. I never said that Windows is unusable. It is actually ok and for many usage scenarios a valid option. I just prefer the way macOS works much better. That’s just my two cents.
You just said it, you are trying to "convince" others. That is called an agenda. Stop trying to convince anyone of anything. You are wasting valuable energy that could be better spent elsewhere.
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That's the issue, instead of discussing the pros and cons you're looking to convince us that you're preference is better.
The apple ecosystem has some advantages, the windows ecosystem has its own advantages but youre trying to convince us that it doesn't.
I like the apple ecosystem but I feel the hardware is not worth the price apple charges and has a number of flawd
I also think windows had a number of advantages going for it that make my life better
Whatever. You just don’t get it.You just said it, you are trying to "convince" others. That is called an agenda. Stop trying to convince anyone of anything. You are wasting valuable energy that could be better spent elsewhere.
There you go again, telling us "we" don't get something, as if you do. That's an agenda. Just because you have an opinion does not make that opinion fact. Your truth is not "the" truth, except to yourself.
I am discussing the whole time, but still haven’t read one comment that really replied to my arguments. I just have the impression that there are many children here on this forum.
I write my opinion. You and everyone else also. What’s the issue here? I never suggested that macOS is perfect. I just wrote why I believe that macOS is better. If this is called having an agenda, then you should all go see a doctor.
Suggesting there are many children on this forum and that we all have to see a doctor contradicts your claim that you are trying to have a normal discussion.
I assume people are not replying to your arguments because they can perfectly make out for themselves what OS they like in their own use cases. They don't need you to tell them otherwise. If I like classical music and you prefer rock music, am I going to try to convince you that classical music is better? Of course not, what's the point? You would probably tell me to mind my own business.
IMO that is exactly what is happening here.
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Read at the thread’s title. We are discussing about people abandoning Apple for other OSes. It is perfectly normal to discuss about our opinions. Anyway, I am tired talking about the same thing over and over. See you in another thread.
agree++
its that apple products are so expensive and ownership has significant risk.
i dont represent apple or any interested party.
The price of admission is extremely high, but then have a look at how much a Surface Book costs. Top quality products cost a lot of money. Apple is definitely not for people on a budget.
I ama comparing the Apple products with the Surface line of products only, because they are on par, as far as quality concerns. I wouldn’t compare these products with cheaper products.
Anyway, people that look for value for money, should look at Dell or Lenovo.
I ama comparing the Apple products with the Surface line of products only, because they are on par, as far as quality concerns. I wouldn’t compare these products with cheaper products.
Anyway, people that look for value for money, should look at Dell or Lenovo.
A lot of people on here think Lenovo and Dell are equal, but I tend to agree more with what you say.
I'd take a Thinkpad running macOS over any of the current Apple notebook options.
A possible flaw in your pudding is, issues with other manufacturers out of warranty hardware are met with go pound sand. At least Apple has integrity to offer repair programs for screwups. I expect that the 2018 keyboard will be included if it really is a generic hardware problem, don’t you, given their history? Creating the problem in the first place is of course another discussion. Interesting article on failure rates
https://www.geckoandfly.com/6311/th...p-survey-best-netbook-reliability-comparison/
I think people would be a lot happier with Apple if they simply listened to their consumers. Take the ridiculous “no travel” MBP keyboard for instance. Who really wanted that? Who’s decision was that to push that on us? I can promise you that no poll told Apple to create such ridiculousness.
Apple has this elitism thing down pat. They feel it’s ok to tell us what we want. When people aren’t happy they simply shrug their shoulders and tell us we aren’t using it right. If they were to lay off on this a bit and start paying close attention to their users, the sky would be the limit for them. They are quite capable of making tremendous products. They could be nearly perfect if they only listened.
Ive, the design team and marketing department all come to mind.
Ive, the same dude who’s bent on trying to prove to the world that he can somehow overcome physics with these thinner and thinner machines. Then when thermal issues arise, they once again shrug their shoulders. That’s just stubborn ignorance. Give me a locked and loaded MBP that’s an inch thicker, has the old keyboard, is heavier, and runs cool and efficient. I’ll take that all day long over these new accidents waiting to happen.
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And then there is this one. Readers digest version, Lenovo #1, #7
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/laptop-brand-ratings
Or this one where is #2 of 5 but the most expensive of the top 5
https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/255115/the-best-laptops
Some Lenovo users are not so happy.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-laptop-quality-control-issues,37510.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-extreme,5865.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/9ykxh2/my_six_day_review_of_the_lenovo_thinkpad_x1/
No system is perfect,and the grass is always greened on the other side.
Your point?
Should we link to all the zillions of complaints about Apple hardware here and elsewhere to?
Nobody has 100% of customers that are happy
https://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/features/creative-hardware/best-laptop-for-design-art/
While design arts claimes the HP something something, was the bestest laptop
Im going to jump ship if my apple tv 2 gen continues to stop foxnow now
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While design arts claimes the HP something something, was the bestest laptop
Im going to jump ship if my apple tv 2 gen continues to stop foxnow now
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The funeral home near cheyrnoble and game of thrones watcher does, they wont jump ship
This is a pet peeve of mine.... lol. I don’t want the machine auto-powering on by opening the lid, I really don’t know why something like this has a toggle in MacOS settings to turn it off.
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I’d have to agree with others here. Lenovo and Dell are probably the biggest competitors to Apple. They have the closest build quality and specs available and are targeted to the same clientele that Apple claims it is aiming for with the MacBook Pro... professionals.
I have a MBP, and love it, but I can easily see the appeal to either Lenovo or Dell (I use a work supplied Lenovo for my day job work). If it weren’t for the ecosystem I am invested so heavily in, I don’t think it would take a whole lot to convince me to buy one of those brands, especially considering a Lenovo or Dell can be easily several hundred less than a comparably specced MacBook Pro. Additionally, Windows is a whole lot better than it was back in the Vista and even Windows 7 era, making the switch in software less harsh as it used to be.
Having said that, I still don’t plan on jumping ship.
Exactly my point.
Just like there is this thread on MacBook Pros, there are similar threads on the alternatives. And their opinions are just as valid as anyone's on this thread.
We have systems from lenovo, dell, samsung, microsoft, and apple. All of them have issues.
And we should expect all of the companies to do their best to address these issues.
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