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That sounds horrible. Talk about defensive driving. I think I will stick with my Honda. LOL.

Daughter has a new Honda Civic and loves it. But even with Hondas there are outliers.

If you own Honda Clarity Fuel Cell, like my neighbor it would be worse. There are 7 Hydrogen stations were he can fill up in a 50 mile radius, and closest one to our neighborhood is 15 miles away. Also $100 a fill up is a little steep.
 
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Daughter has a new Honda Civic and loves it. But even with Hondas there are outliers.

If you own Honda Clarity Fuel Cell, like my neighbor it would be worse. There are 7 Hydrogen stations were he can fill up in a 50 mile radius, and closest one to our neighborhood is 15 miles away. Also $100 a fill up is a little steep.

Off topic, but sounds like your neighbor purchased the wrong car for where they live... Can't blame Honda for that.
 
Off topic, but sounds like your neighbor purchased the wrong car for where they live... Can't blame Honda for that.

Agree about their lease decision. Never understood it.

But, IMHO, Honda should have went BEV like Kia, Hyundai, Ford, GM, and everyone else did to meet the compliance mandate. Electricity is pretty darn common. Compressed Hydrogen, not so much.

But as you say, off topic.
 
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It appears PC hardware has caught up with Apple, and Apple has dropped the ball on the Mac Pro and MBP keyboard.
I think we all want Apple to release great hardware and software but I think the company has shifted mindset where as longterm users haven't. Computers are simply not the priority these days.

Unfortunately wishing something will happen doesn't mean it will. We all know Apple will release a Mac Pro but then won't update it for a while, and also know there is little chance the MacBook Pro will get fatter again.

Everyday on my iMac Pro I wonder whether I should sell it and get a PC workstation. really it would make virtually 0 difference to my work [all apps I use are available on a PC], but I love the integration and ease of use [I don't tinker anymore like I used to].

PC hardware have always been faster and more powerful most especially desktop PC hardware. Most of us are Mac users for the better OS. I'm surprised you are somewhat dissatisfied with the iMac Pro. Unlike the Macbook Pros, the 5k iMacs (both regular and the Pros) seem to be the most solid Macs at the moment. I bought a couple of 5K iMacs (from different years, earliest is from 2015) and two iMac pros for my business and they never gave us trouble unlike the butterfly keyboard Apple notebooks.
 
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Yeah it is interesting. I decided to go hackintosh simply because I wanted a decent gaming rig upon which I could still write my novels. I dual booted for gaming and thought the same as you. Eventually I decided to replace my iPad Pro with a Surface Pro 2017. Next thing I knew I hadn't booted into Mac for weeks. I found it easier to be in Windows 10 on the Surface Pro and stay in it on the desktop. Same as you I had mostly Windows compatible software anyway. So it was an easy change. Try it on a spare machine, and you might find you really aren't missing all that much from the mac world.

At this rate I might even switch to an android phone again (haven't done that since the Galaxy S2 days)...

On my Hack (on the Win 10 install) right now - so ironic..
Glad I built this gaming PC with "hackability" in mind
 
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I have also compared the writing/drawing experience of the Surface Pen using just the screen part as a tablet to writing with an iPad Pro and the Apple Pencil. I have to say that the iPad Pro offers a much more natural "paper-like" writing experience. I think that is due both to the texture of the Apple Pencil tip, as well as the higher refresh rate and sensitivity of the Apple Pencil compared to the Surface Pen.

Have you tried any of the additional pen nibs available for the Surface Pen? I understand it adds tips that simulate 2H, HB and B. I haven’t any experience with them myself, so I can’t speak for how they change the writing experience.
 
Daughter has a new Honda Civic and loves it. But even with Hondas there are outliers.

If you own Honda Clarity Fuel Cell, like my neighbor it would be worse. There are 7 Hydrogen stations were he can fill up in a 50 mile radius, and closest one to our neighborhood is 15 miles away. Also $100 a fill up is a little steep.
Oh, don't worry. I live in a rural area with zero hydrogen stations. I think there are like two plugins for electric vehicles within 100 miles of me. :) Mine runs on gasoline.
 
Spending big on upgrades is the new definition of "Pro" :)
They can't seriously believe anyone in his right mind is gonna pay that amount of money. Unbelievably ridiculous. What universe are those guys living in?

Apple seems so utterly disconnected from reality these days, I wonder what's coming next. They do not seem to be heading in a healthy direction.
Sad, but true: the reality distortion field became even larger, even though SJ is not around any more. Did not see that one coming...
 
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Seems like most RAM modules for 256GB of DDR4 ECC RAM goes for about US $4400+ on Amazon. That's for a relatively no name brand. So I guess $5200 isn't THAT bad. Still an $800 premium. At least you can upgrade them yourself when you feel the need.

They seemed to have lowered the SSD storage prices on the MBP's, but they are still ridiculously expensive.

It's a real shame they are still offering the 5400RPM hard drives on base models for the regular iMac's. That's just being cheap. Just use SSD's for everything.

If Apple wants to move to being a Services company they have to change their strategy with hardware. Before they could get away with charging higher prices for hardware and giving the software away for free and charging minimally for services. When you change that, you need more volume customers. That means reducing the prices of your hardware so you get more potential subscribers. Also porting your services to other platforms would help immensely. You can't have an expensive walled garden and price gouge your faithful customers. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Something has to give. The old model won't work, especially when the hardware isn't as innovative and the competition has caught up.
 
Apple seems so utterly disconnected from reality these days, I wonder what's coming next. Apple does not seem to be heading in a healthy direction.

Base Price: $4900
Memory Upgrade: $5200
Vega 64 16GB: $700

All of a sudden we are looking at All-in-One priced at just under $11K.

Wonder what the Mac Pro redesign will have in store?
 
Last year I assembled a hackintosh because it would cost so much to get a new MBP with nice specs, specially where I live that I either pay a ripoff (around 3x more than US prices) that Apple charges in this country or bring one from the US and pay taxes at the airport. Either would cost me more than US$ 3.000, which is absolutely ridiculous. I have an 8th gen i7, 32gb, multiple TBs of ssd/hdd running windows and macOS for half that. And Steam.

Apple is lucky that Windows has so many problems. I plan to move full Windows almost every week, but macOS is so much easier and gives me no headache at all. It only hurts my pocket.
 
Base Price: $4900
Memory Upgrade: $5200
Vega 64 16GB: $700

All of a sudden we are looking at All-in-One priced at just under $11K.

Wonder what the Mac Pro redesign will have in store?

The new Mac Pro starting at the low price of $10,000 with 8GB of RAM 256GB HD and Radeon Pro Vega6 with 2 GB of HBM2 Memory. Upgradeable to $50,000!

Hackintosh, here I come! lol
 
Seems like most RAM modules for 256GB of DDR4 ECC RAM goes for about US $4400+ on Amazon. That's for a relatively no name brand. So I guess $5200 isn't THAT bad. Still an $800 premium. At least you can upgrade them yourself when you feel the need.

They seemed to have lowered the SSD storage prices on the MBP's, but they are still ridiculously expensive.

It's a real shame they are still offering the 5400RPM hard drives on base models for the regular iMac's. That's just being cheap. Just use SSD's for everything.

If Apple wants to move to being a Services company they have to change their strategy with hardware. Before they could get away with charging higher prices for hardware and giving the software away for free and charging minimally for services. When you change that, you need more volume customers. That means reducing the prices of your hardware so you get more potential subscribers. Also porting your services to other platforms would help immensely. You can't have an expensive walled garden and price gouge your faithful customers. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Something has to give. The old model won't work, especially when the hardware isn't as innovative and the competition has caught up.

They are not putting in a single 256 GB module in though, it will likely be 4x64 GB modules.
Quick amazon search:
Crucial:
https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Technology-288-Pin-PC4-21300-Reduced/dp/B01NBMUPQ6/
Samsung:
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PC4-19200-DDR4-2400MHz-Registered-M386A8K40BM1-CRC/dp/B01GSE85YO/


Retail prices are between 500 and 700 per stick. You can't upgrade that yourself, at least not easily, would have to tore the desktop apart. It is clear what Apple wants, they want to lock down the system and milk their customers until they go red, at least the ones that still choose Apple.
I just really think this logic does not work here, people don't buy workstations because they look great in rose gold or space grey, there has to be a balance between reliability, cost/performance ration and confidence in continuity of product support and delivery. You can't just fallout from the market for several years, like it happened with mac pro and in this case reliable macbook pro, people invest in software, but more importantly in time to learn and perfect their working environment. It is a little bit different than switching from iphone to pixel and back.
 
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Base Price: $4900
Memory Upgrade: $5200
Vega 64 16GB: $700

All of a sudden we are looking at All-in-One priced at just under $11K.

Wonder what the Mac Pro redesign will have in store?

Mac Pro starting at $5999
...comes standard with a 128gb ssd

lmfao!
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Hackintosh, here I come! lol

Already on one as I type this..

Making me wonder if this where I'll be "forever" until I just go back to Windows when they totally lock down and "iOS-ify" macOS during the ARM transition...
 
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Seems like most RAM modules for 256GB of DDR4 ECC RAM goes for about US $4400+ on Amazon. That's for a relatively no name brand. So I guess $5200 isn't THAT bad. Still an $800 premium. At least you can upgrade them yourself when you feel the need.

They seemed to have lowered the SSD storage prices on the MBP's, but they are still ridiculously expensive.

It's a real shame they are still offering the 5400RPM hard drives on base models for the regular iMac's. That's just being cheap. Just use SSD's for everything.

If Apple wants to move to being a Services company they have to change their strategy with hardware. Before they could get away with charging higher prices for hardware and giving the software away for free and charging minimally for services. When you change that, you need more volume customers. That means reducing the prices of your hardware so you get more potential subscribers. Also porting your services to other platforms would help immensely. You can't have an expensive walled garden and price gouge your faithful customers. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Something has to give. The old model won't work, especially when the hardware isn't as innovative and the competition has caught up.
You can’t upgrade the memory after buying the iMac Pro, or the 21” models. Only the 27” model has a door at the back. Honestly ridiculous.
Oh and in the iMac Pro you get 4xDDR4 slots so if you choose 256GB you’ll be getting 4x64GB which will likely be cheaper than $4k
 
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You’d hope it won’t happen but also knowing at the same time it probably will.
The next iMac redesign will probably be using their new ARM chips if they decide to go that route

I can’t imagine Apple leaving that one model with upgradeable RAM out there as an anomaly. If it remains so I will be very surprised.

I hope they have a more successful launch with ARM than they did with T2 and the BrdigeOS crashes. I guess ARM will eliminate the need for BridgeOS maybe? Probably those of us who have a T2 equipped model will never get a real fix? Had another crash last week. Will see what yesterday’s beta brings.
 
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I can’t imagine Apple leaving that one model with upgradeable RAM out there as an anomaly. If it remains so I will be very surprised.

I hope they have a more successful launch with ARM than they did with T2 and the BrdigeOS crashes. I guess ARM will eliminate the need for BridgeOS maybe? Probably those of us who have a T2 equipped model will never get a real fix? Had another crash last week. Will see what yesterday’s beta brings.
What Mac are you using with a T2?
That’s ridiculous I’d be returning that if my $2K+ computer was crashing for no reason
 
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