Anyone else abandoning ship?

[WrightBrain]

I love the Mac OS but can't stand Safari and Mail. I tend to use Chrome, Firefox and Thunderbird. TB has return receipts and works well with Gmail and Google calendar.

I very well may jump ship because of the lackluster hardware though. Thinking about building a PC with the possibility of turning it into a hackintosh. If it fails, I'll have a cool PC.

I keep seeing people settling for slower or older machines because they don't trust the new Mac hardware. You shouldn't have to do that.

The imac's and minis get too hot. And if you adjust fan curves in the new imac's you threaten to build up dust that can get caught in the 5k screen. There's even a lawsuit concerning that. And I know there's AppleCare. But it only covers 3 years. What happens at 3.5 years? Too expensive to gamble. At least I can dust a PC. A good case HAS filters. And I can replace/upgrade parts as needed.

Truly I just want a Mac like my good ol cheese grater. I kept it alive for over 10 years and I'm considering adding an SSD.

 

[MBAir2010]

So.....apple twitter wants my full name and......well:
Thank you for those details. We'd like to gather some additional information to help us facilitate the appropriate next steps. Would you mind providing us with the following details?

- First and Last Name
- Email/Apple ID

Something tells me not to, so i just replied with my email.
[doublepost=1554831420][/doublepost]Apple twitter’s response:
Thank you for confirming that. We have documented your issue and hope that your next visit to the store yields a much more positive experience.
Mine:
Im never going back to that store ever again, i remember going there in 2006, and alot lately but never never again!

I might jump ship for good

 

[booksbooks]

I feel ya - I proudly boasted to my friends that I’ve finally moved away from Apple (cause frankly, I’ve really grown to dislike Apple as a company). That was last September. I’ve used my Surface Book 2 since then and just a few days ago bought a 2018 MacBook Pro. There’s nothing wrong with the SB2 - great keyboard, very good touchpad (there, I said it), fantastic pen input etc. But Windows oh well - I don’t mind working on it, I’m quite efficient and had zero issues really, no crashes and zippy speeds, but there’s no joy using it. It’s like driving a Chevy Cruze. It’s does the trick, looks ok but there aren’t many people who are truly passionate about a Cruze.

I’ll miss the SB2’s input options, but I’m at a point where I’m willing to sacrifice that. An Intuos tablet and an iPad will have to do for the work I’ve been doing with the pen.

Windows like a Chevy Cruze, love it. Windows is a boring, hobbled together piece of hot mess crap that needs to be packaged up and sent into outer space.

 

[tmmacops]

Giving a Lenovo TP X1 Carbon a whirl via work. Will see how it goes. Looks like a decent machine, and will see how Windows does. I do love the 13" MBA I'm using, but has fallen prey to the "reboot" bug/issue, and just not wanting to deal with it. Hoping Apple comes out with a fix, or some kind of work around soon!

No skin in the game really. If it work, great. If not, there's a few rapid Windows fans in adjoining offices that will gobble it up.

 

[dfgddikf]

Truly I just want a Mac like my good ol cheese grater. I kept it alive for over 10 years and I'm considering adding an SSD.

Streacom DA2 case looks similiar to the cheese grater. I'm currently planning an open system on the Streacom BC1 Mini.

 

[TokMok3]

I'm going to stay with Apple for a long time, there's no other place to go. Sometimes I hate it for those incremental speed improvements to their machines. Windows machines are more powerful but not as clean and aesthetically in their design. And this machines inspire me to write code.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Windows like a Chevy Cruze, love it. Windows is a boring, hobbled together piece of hot mess crap that needs to be packaged up and sent into outer space.

Huh?

 

[booksbooks]

Huh?

Huh?

 

[BlankStar]

I work with a Windows 10 Lenevo laptop at work all day. That thing is the weekly reminder that "the other side" is worse... Home will always be where my dock is.

 

[maflynn]

I work with a Windows 10 Lenevo laptop at work all day. That thing is the weekly reminder that "the other side" is worse... Home will always be where my dock is.

My experience has been the polar opposite - I work on my X1E 10+ hours a day, and its a joy. There are things that work so much better in Windows and the Thinkpad, then my old MBP. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed the macOS platform but there are tasks that work so much better in windows, at least for me.

 

[c0ppo]

I enjoy Mac OS way more then I enjoy Windows or Linux. I mostly use Pop_OS on my X1E, and that OS is really great, but lack of standard 3rd party apps is annoying. If it weren't for 3rd party apps, I would switch to linux completely.

But even though Mac OS is still my no1 choice, I enjoy X1E much more then I've enjoyed my MBP. Excellent build quality, keyboard is a joy to use, and every port I could ever need. What shocked me the most is how much more I enjoy the carbon fibre/graphite exterior finish then aluminium.

All in all, excellent device. If only it could run Mac OS natively

 

[alankeny]

As a long-time MacBook Pro user, I thought I'd share my experience. My latest MBP is a 13" from 2013. Last year I started looking around for alternatives. Windows 10 was never a consideration, but I got a Lenovo X1 Carbon and put Linux Mint on it. I couldn't be happier.

I'm not a creative type, so I didn't have to worry about Adobe products. I mostly do web development, server administration, and technical support. Native support for Microsoft Office was nice on MacOS, but so many tasks have moved to web-based tools, the office suite just isn't as critical for me as it once was. TeamViewer and Zoom are native on Linux now, so that helped a lot in the transition too.

On the operating system side I had grown frustrated with the last several releases of MacOS. Thinner system fonts, over use of gray text on gray backgrounds, and text on translucent backgrounds together with my aging eyes, made MacOS more and more difficult to use. While it was possible to fix most of these problems with a combination of settings changes and third-party apps, the resulting system started feeling more and more cobbled together.

On the hardware side it was a longer and slower downhill slide for me personally. The loss of the anti-glare option years ago meant I had to buy a third-party stick-on filter even for my 2013 MBP. I prefer a clickable track-pad to the vibrator. Loss of USB A ports meant I would have to adopt the "dongle life" for several of the tools I use as a network admin. I could have adapted to all of these changes, but I don't accept that I should limit myself to Apple's restricted designs, when they're the ones obsessed with thin to the exclusion of any other requirements.

The show stopper was the butterfly keyboard. I use a lot of different keyboards on a lot of different laptops and desktops every week. I've never felt the need to adapt my typing to any of them, until I tried the butterfly keyboard. I could not imagine I'd ever get proficient with it, because its feel is so different from all of the other keyboards I regularly use.

The X1C has an anti-glare screen, a reasonable selection of USB ports, multiple input options, and possibly the only laptop keyboard on the market that's better than Apple's pre-butterfly keyboards. For me personally Linux has surpassed MacOS in usability. Its defaults aren't great, but the fact that I can customize it using only the built-in settings, means it actually feels less cobbled together than my current Mac setup. I feel like Linux on laptops continues to improve, while Apple seems intent on devolving MacBook Pros into iPads.

 

[lem150]

If we had all users (or a large majority) of new MBP's participating on the forum, maybe then we could infer any conclusions from the data here, but we don't and so we can't. This is all just extra data that must be considered along with many other sources to form a full picture.

I mean that in all directions regarding the keyboards.

What's inescapable, however, is these sorts of issues were essentially non-existent before.
So whatever percentage of users are having problems, it's too much vs previous generations.

New and presumably better products shouldn't introduce new problems to key components like this.

Apple is not perfect and as far back as I can remember there have always been minor and major issues with their products and there have been quick recalls and more difficult ones. This is no different than any other company that makes computers. I use both Mac and Windows daily and Mac OS X is far superior in every way. I don't have an issues with my MacBook keyboard, but I can imagine how difficult that must be. I remember my 2011 iMac that had the graphics card gpu separate from he circuit board just months after the recall was over. They aren't perfect by far, but they make better software and their computers are better designed (better designed... not perfect designed...)

 

[09872738]

Apple is not perfect and as far back as I can remember there have always been minor and major issues with their products and there have been quick recalls and more difficult ones.

Not that I disagree. However, the difference compared to the past is: today, imperfections are either intentional (No-contrast UI. Soldered RAM. Soldered SSDs. Insane upgrade charges) or they just don't care.
The fact that emojis made it into the change log says a lot

 

[H2SO4]

Apple is not perfect and as far back as I can remember there have always been minor and major issues with their products and there have been quick recalls and more difficult ones. This is no different than any other company that makes computers. I use both Mac and Windows daily and Mac OS X is far superior in every way. I don't have an issues with my MacBook keyboard, but I can imagine how difficult that must be. I remember my 2011 iMac that had the graphics card gpu separate from he circuit board just months after the recall was over. They aren't perfect by far, but they make better software and their computers are better designed (better designed... not perfect designed...)

I much prefer the Mac OS, but posts that say things like it’s better in every way lose all credibility with me.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The fact that emojis made it into the change log says a lot

!

 

[rutrack]

Apple is not perfect and as far back as I can remember there have always been minor and major issues with their products and there have been quick recalls and more difficult ones. This is no different than any other company that makes computers. I use both Mac and Windows daily and Mac OS X is far superior in every way. I don't have an issues with my MacBook keyboard, but I can imagine how difficult that must be. I remember my 2011 iMac that had the graphics card gpu separate from he circuit board just months after the recall was over. They aren't perfect by far, but they make better software and their computers are better designed (better designed... not perfect designed...)

I just couldn't disagree more with this statement. I don't think we are talking about a "minor and major issues" which is "no different than any other company that makes computers."
It is very different from most other companies, that makes computers. You have to try very hard for so many users, many with significant investments into the operational environment, to start switching platforms. For many it is going to be a several years process which requires a lot of thinking and consideration of inquired costs and lost productivity. It's not just about a screwed up keyboard, Apple as a company is in war with their users, attacking users freedom of choice. The includes freedom to choose a keyboard on "professional work" laptop with full functionality, including functional and escape keys, freedom to upgrade laptop with components at market rate, freedom to service computers users own and paid a full price for at independent service provider and just so much more.

It is great that you like MacOS X , many of us do, but far superior in every way? I think the MacOS X is well balanced and is a great OS, but there are so many ways that it is no match for windows, for example font scaling that does not exist on MacOS X and works great on Windows and Linux which is extremely important in the day of high resolution screens. The other obvious one would be performance - including game performance and application performance. I don't use windows daily, but one has to admit that it performs way better than MacOS X or Linux for majority of applications, including 3D design, CAD, Office suite, Gaming etc.

Again, it's not about a single particular issue, it's not like "the graphics card gpu separate from he circuit board just months after the recall was over."
This is about what Apple is now and about what they do.

 

[MBAir2010]

im finished with, getting a PC laptop silver and running unbuntu fedora or what ever linux system i wants!
i just need a reliable laptop........silver

 

[OdT22]

The beatings will continue, until morale improves.

Whatever your choice, get on with it.

 

[BlankStar]

My experience has been the polar opposite - I work on my X1E 10+ hours a day, and its a joy. There are things that work so much better in Windows and the Thinkpad, then my old MBP. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed the macOS platform but there are tasks that work so much better in windows, at least for me.

Reasons why I prefer the MacBook (Pro)/OS X;
Desktop clutter: I have 10-15 programs open sometimes and switching from one to another with alt-tab or windows-tab isn't always making me find the right one fast. On Mac OS I use different spaces to group several apps and that makes life so much easier... Swiping with four fingers to switch back and forth is superfast.
Trackpad: Dunno about your X1E, but mines trackpad is so much smaller and utterly useless compared to the MacBook.
Spotlight: cmd+spacebar is so much faster and cleaner to find stuff. On Windows the big square that pops up from the taskbar is no match.
Preview: hitting the spacebar to quickly preview a document before opening it is such a timesaver sometimes...

If some of these features exist in Windows 10, please enlighten me, cause that would make my life much easier

 

[Honumaui]

I did part way and it sucks !!!!

I am a full time photographer and retoucher so I live in Capture one and PS

the finder on the PC sucks beyond sucking no column view ! so like that horrid sore throat you get and you realize how many times you swallow during the day !!! you realize how much you use your finder to manage files (at least I do with clients) and the lack of native preview !!! the 3rd party one in windows again sucks and is super slow and wont do raw files etc..
also when saving opening the way it wont let you see everything out of PS when saving only the current file type is again stupid and a pain
no quick way native to tag files and create custom tagging ! in todays meta world even basic color tagging with changing names that OS X has win should have !!!

my intel 7820x and 1080 GPU well built setup is insane fast and plan to hackintosh it

color management OS X is OS based so everything is managed where windows is app based so it can ignore it or use it and each one sadly does not do a good job or use it so things are all over the place

so yeah I tried to abandon ship and still use the PC for Capture one tethering but am going to be buying two more macs for the studio and try to make my PC a hackintosh or just keep it as is for me and my kids since its a awesome gaming setup

I was going to get a dell or other laptop as the windows surface seems really really slick and sadly they seem to have more issues then macs by a huge margin ?

I am one of those that feel/think Apple died with Steve and the hardware issues are showing that lack of quality and innovation that made apple come back !
not sure what happened to Ives having say ? but I think he was muffled somehow for the bottom line or who knows ( tin foil hat off)

I wont say one is superior over the other for everyone but for me as a creative
for me window finder and lack of proper color management sucks and when I came back to OS X after using NT for years its still the same horrid interface and overly cluttered clunky ways of doing things that are so buried and then again clunky and horrid etc..

if they could come up with a column finder and tagging and proper color and better menus and better interface and better ways to manage things without having so so so so many hurdles I could live with it

so superior OS and slipping hardware
vs
superior hardware options and horrid OS
I will take the apple with slipping hardware choices and superior OS for now !

I do also want to keep the PC just to keep my toes in the water so to say


I am 55 I had PCs and macs all my life

I am a tech fan and not locked to any company I just want what works best

like canon or nikon and now sony in the pic as a pro photographer I go to what will work for the next ten years or so

again apple users are in a bad spot sadly but PC is not the answer for many either

 

[maflynn]

If some of these features exist in Windows 10, please enlighten me, cause that would make my life much easier

Both operating systems have their own advantages and disadvantages. To be sure some of things you listed are not fully implemented in windows. There's work arounds and utilities, such as those that exist that provide a preview like experience.

You might of missed the last statement that last portion of my post "at least for me" There are many tasks that I use where windows is simply much better at it then macOS. I can rattle of a number and I'll do that, but that sort of debate turns into some sort **** waving competition

Windows for me is much better, due to MS office, its implementation in windows better imo. For instance On the mac, I have to zoom the magnification in excel because the text rendering is so small. This is one tiny example of why i think excel is better in windows. RDP, and remoting into servers and desktops, is much better in windows. Text editing, game playing, customizing the OS, are all other examples that windows is easier or better.

One size doesn't fit all, and I'm wasn't trying to invalidate your post, but rather point out my experience is the polar opposite. I'm on a mac forum, and clearly my opinion is in the minority.

Another poster said that macoS is better in every way, and that's simply not the case. Both platforms have the pluses and minuses, its how those features align with your wants and needs.

 

[MBAir2010]

I am realizing there are too many good laptops out there, and some duds, but confusion galore!
The pricing on these laptops are very different from dell.com, microcenter and amazon.
asus is harder to find and other srd party sellers are charging more that the asus website, which goes to the homepage when you select a asus zen book blue to purchase.
this dilemma might be better than just 3 macbooks with absurd price hikes on features galore!

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

I am realizing there are too many good laptops out there, and some duds, but confusion galore!
The pricing on these laptops are very different from dell.com, microcenter and amazon.
asus is harder to find and other srd party sellers are charging more that the asus website, which goes to the homepage when you select a asus zen book blue to purchase.
this dilemma might be better than just 3 macbooks with absurd price hikes on features galore!

Yep. More freedom of choice, but more complicated choices as well!

 

[PeterJP]

Windows for me is much better, due to MS office, its implementation in windows better imo. For instance On the mac, I have to zoom the magnification in excel because the text rendering is so small. This is one tiny example of why i think excel is better in windows.

The whole Office suite is much, much better in Windows than on Mac. There are serious pieces missing in the Mac versions. I forgot exactly what, but it made me decide I couldn't use Outlook on Mac. I'm using mail.app now.

With Outlook on Windows, you get a seamless workflow between contacts - mails - calendar - Skype. You can see when people are present or busy, plan meetings based on their calendars. Invitations are sent out, you get the replies and if you need to reschedule, you can see everybody's calendar. If somebody's not available, just send them a Skype chat or call. It works so well that remote work becomes completely transparent. It's a shame it's not replicated on Mac.

Same goes for the other apps. The ribbon implementation on mac, for example, is just simplistic. On Windows, it's central in the Office UI and it works much better.