Anyone else abandoning ship?

[Porkchop Sandwich]

Of course ymmv and to each his own, but, I’ll just stick with Mac OS. Just watching that video makes me want to throw a computer up against the wall..lol

I don’t miss a pc one bit, not even a little.

 

[SDColorado]

Of course ymmv and to each his own, but, I’ll just stick with Mac OS. Just watching that video makes me want to throw a computer up against the wall..lol

I don’t miss a pc one bit, not even a little.

To each their own. At least Windows allows you to go into the registry and tweak things to your liking. Many times with Apple if you don’t like a default behavior, the options are to like it or lump it. That’s just the way the powers that be decided that it is.

Both OS’s have their own pros/cons/annoyances 🙂

 

[Honumaui]

I am not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that you can't do file tagging in Windows 10? Because you can. But perhaps I am not understanding what is written?

with such limits its kinda not even a real feature ? more yeah we can do that for this this and this file type only and it takes 5 clicks to change and is all but worthless BUT we have it kinda well for 3 file types !
also they are not reliable when moving to other computers etc..
also no colors for quick visual
OS X one click I can also tie the option to keyboard shortcut and I can even drag and drop to tag
and more important I can setup finder the way I want to really be able to use those tags etc..

file explorer has so many issues ?
and before you defend the file explorer its about as bad as windows implementation of tagging to manage files once you use both or leverage both 🙂

tagging changes all the time on a project and should be like the macs super fast easy to tag any file and/or change do multiple tags etc.. and also find quickly once tagged
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To each their own. At least Windows allows you to go into the registry and tweak things to your liking. Many times with Apple if you don’t like a default behavior, the options are to like it or lump it. That’s just the way the powers that be decided that it is.

Both OS’s have their own pros/cons/annoyances 🙂

since you said you can tweak things the way you want I wish that were true ?

example customize the file explorer like you can easily in OS X (right click or dragging easy)

and maybe you can but I have never found anyone anywhere that can do this like in OS X

show me how to remove everything BUT
a few folders I want up there
and just our 3 computers as single icons not buried under the networking and then not seeing all the other useless stuff they put in
only the main drive ? again on its own single icons on the left not buried
then a list of our tags about 12 of them

no other items !

bonus would be to then be able to drag files onto those tags on the side bar to tag ?

also truly customize the top the way I want it ?

true column view ? not part of the choice sadly
color tagging ? again not available
[doublepost=1555353237][/doublepost]agree both have pros and cons and one is always better than the other for that user !!! never in a absolute way

 

[rutrack]

Amazingly, this is the first time I read about the tagging of files. Had to check what it actually is and to be honest, It's hard to imagine relying on that feature. I understand you sometimes want to group files, like symlinking executables into ~/bin and add ~/bin/ into your $PATH, that makes sense, but it seems like to use tagging you really need to tag all your files, not something I see myself doing ever.
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Oh dear, you grew up without Pathways into Darkness, Marathon, and Myth, didn't you... 🙁

I'm afraid I have, Macs were way out of reach for me and pretty much everyone around me back then. Dune 2 on the other hand ....

 

[SnoFlo]

with such limits its kinda not even a real feature ? more yeah we can do that for this this and this file type only and it takes 5 clicks to change and is all but worthless BUT we have it kinda well for 3 file types !
also they are not reliable when moving to other computers etc..
also no colors for quick visual
OS X one click I can also tie the option to keyboard shortcut and I can even drag and drop to tag
and more important I can setup finder the way I want to really be able to use those tags etc..

file explorer has so many issues ?
and before you defend the file explorer its about as bad as windows implementation of tagging to manage files once you use both or leverage both 🙂

tagging changes all the time on a project and should be like the macs super fast easy to tag any file and/or change do multiple tags etc.. and also find quickly once tagged
[doublepost=1555352178][/doublepost]

since you said you can tweak things the way you want I wish that were true ?

example customize the file explorer like you can easily in OS X (right click or dragging easy)

and maybe you can but I have never found anyone anywhere that can do this like in OS X

show me how to remove everything BUT
a few folders I want up there
and just our 3 computers as single icons not buried under the networking and then not seeing all the other useless stuff they put in
only the main drive ? again on its own single icons on the left not buried
then a list of our tags about 12 of them

no other items !

bonus would be to then be able to drag files onto those tags on the side bar to tag ?

also truly customize the top the way I want it ?

true column view ? not part of the choice sadly
color tagging ? again not available
[doublepost=1555353237][/doublepost]agree both have pros and cons and one is always better than the other for that user !!! never in a absolute way

Yeah, tagging files in Windows Explorer is a real chore and no colour tags either, a real shame.

 

[pshufd]

I just had a look around and there is other interesting stuff out there.

The ROG Mothership looks interesting as it hits what I want:

Core i9
32 GB RAM
4K screen
17.3 inches
Good cooling
Reasonably-Priced SSD

I suppose I could run a Hackintosh VM with this configuration.

Unfortunately they're not quite out yet but I'll keep my eye out for them while waiting for Apple to announce their 16 inch laptop.

 

[pshufd]

I spoke to our Mac IT guy today. I asked him about failures for 2016-2018 models. He said that a number of the 2016 models won't charge through the USB-C port. I asked him about keyboard failures and he said that he's only seen one (we probably have at least 1,000 Macs - 13 inch models without TouchBar). So he considers them quite reliable. He also said that we have AppleCare Enterprise which is one-day turnaround on repairs.

 

[hth313]

I am jumping ship after using Mac since 2003.

The reason I went for Mac is that they offered computers that just work with minimal problems, so I can focus on my work. That and the it gives a UNIX commercial experience.

Today I can say I am sadly disappointed with my last Apple machine, a maxed out MacBook Pro Mid 2014 model. Two years into its life it developed peeling screen coating. Apple replaced the screen (for free), with a new screen that had exactly the same issue. Two years later it is also peeling antireflex coating and now they want CAD 900 to replace it, with what I expect would be yet another flawed screen.

I had two broken keys (in the middle), probably had to reinstall macOS five times as it would not boot. I can live with that as I am a really heavy user and I load the machine down quite a lot, it has stand up quite well in these four years. What I cannot accept the behaviour where they have a factory flaw and ask me to pay for fixing their problem, with what I expect is not going to be anything but a temporary fix.

The new machines are not that thrilling either, too thin, no proper ESC and function keys. Many I meet seems to have severe keyboard issues with them. I just see endless problems today, and that is totally against the main reason I choose Apple in the first place, to have a (reasonable) trouble-free experience.

Being a developer, I will now turn towards building a stationary machine from components.

Besides, I also plan to launch software products for various platforms this autumn. MacOS was one of those platforms, but I honestly can say that I quite through with Apple and it will take some pressure now from customers if I ever are going to support macOS with my products. I know that Windows and Linux are way more popular platforms in that particular field, but we'll see about that. Maybe I can get a MacMini for doing builds in that case, apart from that I am not planning to get another Apple product again.

 

[lpolarityl]

To each their own. At least Windows allows you to go into the registry and tweak things to your liking. Many times with Apple if you don’t like a default behavior, the options are to like it or lump it. That’s just the way the powers that be decided that it is.

Both OS’s have their own pros/cons/annoyances 🙂

There is plenty of tweaking you can do via the terminal.

 

[jerryk]

I am jumping ship after using Mac since 2003.

The reason I went for Mac is that they offered computers that just work with minimal problems, so I can focus on my work. That and the it gives a UNIX commercial experience.

Today I can say I am sadly disappointed with my last Apple machine, a maxed out MacBook Pro Mid 2014 model. Two years into its life it developed peeling screen coating. Apple replaced the screen (for free), with a new screen that had exactly the same issue. Two years later it is also peeling antireflex coating and now they want CAD 900 to replace it, with what I expect would be yet another flawed screen.

I had two broken keys (in the middle), probably had to reinstall macOS five times as it would not boot. I can live with that as I am a really heavy user and I load the machine down quite a lot, it has stand up quite well in these four years. What I cannot accept the behaviour where they have a factory flaw and ask me to pay for fixing their problem, with what I expect is not going to be anything but a temporary fix.

The new machines are not that thrilling either, too thin, no proper ESC and function keys. Many I meet seems to have severe keyboard issues with them. I just see endless problems today, and that is totally against the main reason I choose Apple in the first place, to have a (reasonable) trouble-free experience.

Being a developer, I will now turn towards building a stationary machine from components.

Besides, I also plan to launch software products for various platforms this autumn. MacOS was one of those platforms, but I honestly can say that I quite through with Apple and it will take some pressure now from customers if I ever are going to support macOS with my products. I know that Windows and Linux are way more popular platforms in that particular field, but we'll see about that. Maybe I can get a MacMini for doing builds in that case, apart from that I am not planning to get another Apple product again.

I use my desktop machine for most of my development work. There is nothing like having a proper keyboard with good switches (MX Brown for me) and dedicated and separated Escape key, 2-3 monitors (debugger, output, code), physical mouse, vast amounts of storage space, separate drives for each OS (Windows and Linux in my case), and fast Nvidia GPUs (need CUDA for Machine Learning).

I was able to build a system with 32 GB of memory, RTX 2070, Intel 9900-K CPU, PS, 2 Samsung 970 SSDs for under $1800. I had the monitors and keyboard. Fast, silent and a joy to use.

 

[richinaus]

I am jumping ship after using Mac since 2003.

The reason I went for Mac is that they offered computers that just work with minimal problems, so I can focus on my work. That and the it gives a UNIX commercial experience.

Today I can say I am sadly disappointed with my last Apple machine, a maxed out MacBook Pro Mid 2014 model. Two years into its life it developed peeling screen coating. Apple replaced the screen (for free), with a new screen that had exactly the same issue. Two years later it is also peeling antireflex coating and now they want CAD 900 to replace it, with what I expect would be yet another flawed screen.

I had two broken keys (in the middle), probably had to reinstall macOS five times as it would not boot. I can live with that as I am a really heavy user and I load the machine down quite a lot, it has stand up quite well in these four years. What I cannot accept the behaviour where they have a factory flaw and ask me to pay for fixing their problem, with what I expect is not going to be anything but a temporary fix.

The new machines are not that thrilling either, too thin, no proper ESC and function keys. Many I meet seems to have severe keyboard issues with them. I just see endless problems today, and that is totally against the main reason I choose Apple in the first place, to have a (reasonable) trouble-free experience.

Being a developer, I will now turn towards building a stationary machine from components.

Besides, I also plan to launch software products for various platforms this autumn. MacOS was one of those platforms, but I honestly can say that I quite through with Apple and it will take some pressure now from customers if I ever are going to support macOS with my products. I know that Windows and Linux are way more popular platforms in that particular field, but we'll see about that. Maybe I can get a MacMini for doing builds in that case, apart from that I am not planning to get another Apple product again.

And on the Windows desktops I currently use in an office I am consulting in, they constantly break. Nothing is perfect my friend.

 

[jerryk]

And on the Windows desktops I currently use in an office I am consulting in, they constantly break. Nothing is perfect my friend.

What breaks?

 

[richinaus]

What breaks?

all sorts of stuff. Windows, hardware [gpu, monitors] etc on different types of machines.

Its not that irrelevant, my point is that 'abandoning ship' is not going to lead to some nirvana where everything is perfect.

 

[c0ppo]

Its not that irrelevant, my point is that 'abandoning ship' is not going to lead to some nirvana where everything is perfect.

Who claims that there even is a perfect solution?
By moving to X1E I'm forced to dual boot. I use Linux as my primary OS, and Win10 as secondary. Linux lacks some software that I need, Win10 has it. But for me, Linux is vastly superior and better then Win10 in other regards.

So is dual booting perfect? Of course not, far from it. But at least I have reliable machine with excellent port selection, way better cooling solution, and best of all, almost perfect keyboard. Remember, nothings perfect, but this keyboard... 🙂

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

I still have a mac, but my daily driver is now windows. I missed it at first but now I rarely even turn on the mac. The laptop I got for 900.00, 15”, would have cost me several thousand for a similar mac at the time.

 

[WrightBrain]

And on the Windows desktops I currently use in an office I am consulting in, they constantly break. Nothing is perfect my friend.

Yeah. But it doesn’t take a Genius Bar to fix them.

 

[jerryk]

all sorts of stuff. Windows, hardware [gpu, monitors] etc on different types of machines.

Its not that irrelevant, my point is that 'abandoning ship' is not going to lead to some nirvana where everything is perfect.

The issues causing people to abandon ship is mostly because of issues with components that used to work fine and have been failing because of changes to working designs.

Things like replacing a good working keyboard with the current keyboard. Adding the touchbar with minimal advantage over the old discrete keys These are the things that drive people nuts about the new design.

 

[richinaus]

Yeah. But it doesn’t take a Genius Bar to fix them.

it does in a small business where nobody really knows anything about them.

 

[PeterJP]

For me the Mac is more cluttered than I like with the dock.

My dock auto-disappears like your taskbar does.

Of course ymmv and to each his own, but, I’ll just stick with Mac OS. Just watching that video makes me want to throw a computer up against the wall..lol

You never had to tweak macOS that way? I lost count of the afternoons spent cursing the security guard, disabling it by terminal commands, or trying to get macports to finally just install some damn piece of software.

But I actually agree with you. Windows registry is a smelly dumping ground of 1990s ugliest technology. And don't get me started on Linux. Install - doesn't work - tweak configuration - turn system unbootable - reinstall Linux from scratch. I've used Windows since 1991, Linux since 1992 and macOS since 2014. I'm not going anywhere: macOS combines the power of Linux with the user friendliness of Windows, only better.

The new machines are not that thrilling either, too thin, no proper ESC and function keys

I don’t use the function keys. But I mapped the top left key next to the 1 to be escape. When you're using vi as I am, you'll appreciate the shorter distance your fingers need to travel. It's also where the escape key used to be on the Wyse terminals that I used to connect to our AT&T SVR4 Linux machine when I learned vi.

 

[maflynn]

all sorts of stuff. Windows, hardware [gpu, monitors] etc on different types of machines.

Its not that irrelevant, my point is that 'abandoning ship' is not going to lead to some nirvana where everything is perfect.

No of course not, but many long term apple fans are tired of over paying for a class of a machine that has many problems. Why spend 3k on a machine that apple made an apology for, when you can buy a faster, more durable machine for around 1,000 less.

As I see it, apple used to provide a great design, with a well made laptop that ran an OS that is written for the hardware. The benefits are a well running smooth computing experience. I'm not seeing much improvements on software side, I see a high number of people complaining about bugs and issues with every annual release of the OS. (I know MS has had their share of problems with the bi-annual release). On the hardware, with the risk of beating a dead horse, the keyboard, flexgate, staingate, etc, etc. Are these the qualities and experiences you expect when buying a premium product? For me its not.

I've been quite pleased with how solid the Thinkpad has been, its keyboard has been joy to use and windows has been rock solid. There are things I miss with with macOS but not at the price that apple is charging.

Let me just add, I totally understand my opinion is unpopular and in the minority here as its an apple fan sight. I'm not looking to convince anyone, rather just post about my experiences, choices, and opinions.

 

[pshufd]

No of course not, but many long term apple fans are tired of over paying for a class of a machine that has many problems. Why spend 3k on a machine that apple made an apology for, when you can buy a faster, more durable machine for around 1,000 less.

As I see it, apple used to provide a great design, with a well made laptop that ran an OS that is written for the hardware. The benefits are a well running smooth computing experience. I'm not seeing much improvements on software side, I see a high number of people complaining about bugs and issues with every annual release of the OS. (I know MS has had their share of problems with the bi-annual release). On the hardware, with the risk of beating a dead horse, the keyboard, flexgate, staingate, etc, etc. Are these the qualities and experiences you expect when buying a premium product? For me its not.

I've been quite pleased with how solid the Thinkpad has been, its keyboard has been joy to use and windows has been rock solid. There are things I miss with with macOS but not at the price that apple is charging.

Let me just add, I totally understand my opinion is unpopular and in the minority here as its an apple fan sight. I'm not looking to convince anyone, rather just post about my experiences, choices, and opinions.

I want something that works that has a decent amount of power and that will last for at least five years. My 2014 MacBook Pro meets those requirements but I'd like something with more horsepower, RAM and a bigger screen. At the moment, the only options for the latter are in Windows - land. And those options aren't cheap. But you get more hardware value. I really don't like Windows 10 and I haven't used Windows in over a month. I have two capable Windows desktops that haven't been turned on for a while. I'm thinking of playing around with a Hackintosh Virtual Machine on one of them and look to see if it's a viable option for the future, at least until Apple gets its act together.

I would buy another 2015 with 2.8 Ghz and AMD graphics but I had a disappointing result trying to buy one this week. It was a shop that takes corporate systems, refurbishes them and resells them. They advertised 2.8 Ghz systems. I went there and bought one and got it back and it was a 2.5 Ghz. I went back and got a refund. This is the second time this place has done this. 2.8 Ghz systems have dried up in my area - though they did change their Craigslist Ad for the systems.

So Apple, please get your act together.

Oh yeah, Microsoft became a Trillion Dollar company yesterday. Apple was close behind at $975 billion. Most of us may not like Windows but most of the world runs on it.

 

[cram501]

No of course not, but many long term apple fans are tired of over paying for a class of a machine that has many problems. Why spend 3k on a machine that apple made an apology for, when you can buy a faster, more durable machine for around 1,000 less.

As I see it, apple used to provide a great design, with a well made laptop that ran an OS that is written for the hardware. The benefits are a well running smooth computing experience. I'm not seeing much improvements on software side, I see a high number of people complaining about bugs and issues with every annual release of the OS. (I know MS has had their share of problems with the bi-annual release). On the hardware, with the risk of beating a dead horse, the keyboard, flexgate, staingate, etc, etc. Are these the qualities and experiences you expect when buying a premium product? For me its not.

I've been quite pleased with how solid the Thinkpad has been, its keyboard has been joy to use and windows has been rock solid. There are things I miss with with macOS but not at the price that apple is charging.

Let me just add, I totally understand my opinion is unpopular and in the minority here as its an apple fan sight. I'm not looking to convince anyone, rather just post about my experiences, choices, and opinions.

I agree. My Macbook Pro early 2013 is still going strong. It is a bit slow and only has 16gb of ram. I need at least 32gb.

I built a hackintosh and used it for over a year. I ended up getting an iMac Pro (basically an even power between the two) because I got tired of dealing with OS updates. I usually use my Linux laptop (Dell XPS 9560/Ubuntu 18.04) when I need to go mobile.

The OS is a tool. Whether it's Mac Os, Windows, or Linux I don't care as long as I get my work done and play games when I want. With VM's on any of the 3 OS's, I can get done whatever I need to do regardless. I'm not sure why people get so militant about the operating system.

I will end up buying what makes sense based in price and quality. I am hoping that Apple fixes the keyboard and cooling solutions for their MacBook Pros. I really like my old Macbook Pro but for that price I expect zero issues and that includes not throttling.

 

[Mendota]

My dock auto-disappears like your taskbar does.



You never had to tweak macOS that way? I lost count of the afternoons spent cursing the security guard, disabling it by terminal commands, or trying to get macports to finally just install some damn piece of software.

But I actually agree with you. Windows registry is a smelly dumping ground of 1990s ugliest technology. And don't get me started on Linux. Install - doesn't work - tweak configuration - turn system unbootable - reinstall Linux from scratch. I've used Windows since 1991, Linux since 1992 and macOS since 2014. I'm not going anywhere: macOS combines the power of Linux with the user friendliness of Windows, only better.


I don’t use the function keys. But I mapped the top left key next to the 1 to be escape. When you're using vi as I am, you'll appreciate the shorter distance your fingers need to travel. It's also where the escape key used to be on the Wyse terminals that I used to connect to our AT&T SVR4 Linux machine when I learned vi.

Well I have tried setting the task bar that way but it keeps popping up. Not that big a deal. As for the registry it has become the new propaganda tool for putting down Windows, now that the blue screen of death is fading into history. I don't really understand the mentality behind trying to find something wrong with Windows in order to justify using Mac.

I wake up my machines and I start to work or play. The registry doesn't affect me in any way. I don't have any reason to bother with it other than to back it up from time to time on my test machines in case some new or unknown shareware or software is being tried out.

And much of MacOS is based on tech from the 90's most systems are the product of evolution so... Millions of people everyday run Windows and get work done with no issues, despite your views on the registry.

To be honest I don't have any real issues with my Mac either. I turn it on and I use it. I am not that fond of the Finder and iCloud is useless for me, but I don't dwell on those things, I just use OneDrive and move on. The only thing I care about is if the computer is unstable... If it is crashing that is an problem, otherwise I don't look for things just to make an issue.

 

[tmmacops]

I've been running the Thinkpad X1 Carbon G6 for about 2 weeks now. Keyboard is nice. Screen is good, but not great. I went the matte route w/ WGHD. I still think MacOS is superior in every way [IMO] compared to Windows 10. The latter is useable, and runs Office well.

I am trying to do more on the TP, and actually kept the MBA closed for a week. The way Windows does virtual desktops, the TP trackpad, mouse/cursor movement, etc. is just blah. I haven't made any attempt to reinstall everything fresh, because I just don't think it's worth the effort. But I'll give it a bit more and see if I just need more time.

 

[Altis]

Dune 2 on the other hand ....

I love that we can still play Dune 2 even today. In fact, one of the things I like most about Windows in general is being able to run just about anything. I find with every annual macOS update, some stuff breaks and if it isn't updated, it won't work properly within just a few years.

Don't even get me started on iOS. 😛