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After more than 10 years playing World of Warcraft, my kids tell me it is a sign of my age and it's probably only played by people over 40 now...
After more than 10 years playing World of Warcraft, my kids tell me it is a sign of my age and it's probably only played by people over 40 now...
My wife and I left WoW this year after playing since BC. Not having enough time to play with stuff going on in life. So I pop on Starcraft II now and then once or twice a week. There are quite a few >40+ players out there surprisingly. I'm in my mid 30s
. Can't stand these pay to win cellphone games...WoW on Mac has input lag with mice so I prefer Windows for Blizzard games.
May come back for classic in August.
After more than 10 years playing World of Warcraft, my kids tell me it is a sign of my age and it's probably only played by people over 40 now...
I have stopped for now because of BFA. But I do plan to come back come next expansion... I play it on a desktop but while on the trips I would like to play on my Mac.
I am about to change job. In my current role i have a 2017 13 inch MBP non touchbar. I have had it six months or so and thus far no problems.
At home i have a 15 inch 2013 MBP (which is a great piece of kit, which my partner uses and which has never given me a minute's trouble) and a Thinkpad X1 Carbon which I picked up for £950 or so a few months ago on ebay. It's a fifth generation model, really nice piece of kit.
In my new job i have been told i can have what i want. I am very tempted to go for another MBP (I am an Apple user since 1992 or so, when i had an LCII, and I much prefer OSX) but am put off by reading of all the problems so many people seem to be having around the keyboard.
My Thinkpad has an excellent keyboard, but - ironically, given it's a model a few people here seem to be switching to - a few weeks ago I noticed certain keys had started registering twice or not registering at all (sound familiar?).
And this is where the difference is.
I get the distinct impression that if I get a MBP and it starts to have keyboard problems it is going to be a saga of trips to the Apple store to get sorted, and that I might end up without the laptop at all for a while.
What happened with the Thinkpad's keyboard failure? Lenovo sent the replacement part to my home via DHL (it's the whole top unit that needs to be replaced) and the day after I get a call from an engineer who came around my house that day and fitted it for me. All sorted.
The concern around this whole fiasco with Apple for me is not just that things will break, it is also that when they do break, there does not seem to be any way to get them sorted quickly and without trouble - that's not what I'd expect from a piece of kit costing several thousand pounds.
I might be being a tad drama queenish, but the most disappointing thing for me in this whole saga is not so much that they've made the kit worse (worse keyboards which break far too easily), it's the sense of arrogance around it.
At home i have a 15 inch 2013 MBP (which is a great piece of kit, which my partner uses and which has never given me a minute's trouble) and a Thinkpad X1 Carbon which I picked up for £950 or so a few months ago on ebay. It's a fifth generation model, really nice piece of kit.
In my new job i have been told i can have what i want. I am very tempted to go for another MBP (I am an Apple user since 1992 or so, when i had an LCII, and I much prefer OSX) but am put off by reading of all the problems so many people seem to be having around the keyboard.
My Thinkpad has an excellent keyboard, but - ironically, given it's a model a few people here seem to be switching to - a few weeks ago I noticed certain keys had started registering twice or not registering at all (sound familiar?).
And this is where the difference is.
I get the distinct impression that if I get a MBP and it starts to have keyboard problems it is going to be a saga of trips to the Apple store to get sorted, and that I might end up without the laptop at all for a while.
What happened with the Thinkpad's keyboard failure? Lenovo sent the replacement part to my home via DHL (it's the whole top unit that needs to be replaced) and the day after I get a call from an engineer who came around my house that day and fitted it for me. All sorted.
The concern around this whole fiasco with Apple for me is not just that things will break, it is also that when they do break, there does not seem to be any way to get them sorted quickly and without trouble - that's not what I'd expect from a piece of kit costing several thousand pounds.
I might be being a tad drama queenish, but the most disappointing thing for me in this whole saga is not so much that they've made the kit worse (worse keyboards which break far too easily), it's the sense of arrogance around it.
Are laptops, etc going to have price increases in the united states when the Chinese tariffs take effect?
I have not read anything yet.
Also i put the mini and tv 2gen on Craigslist, will deauthorize everything mac related and trash my mail account.
Any advice?
I have not read anything yet.
Also i put the mini and tv 2gen on Craigslist, will deauthorize everything mac related and trash my mail account.
Any advice?
In 2014 I had a Lenovo Thinkpad X200 that had the same problem - keys not registering or registering twice. Scary to see this still happening today?!
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Sounds like what I did with Google last year. lol.
Highly recommend Fastmail. Love it - and works well with my domain and adding aliases.
Tariffs haven't been announced yet on laptops and phones. A lot of laptops are made in Taiwan too.
Lenovo has a sale and I did some pricing on this system:
8th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 6 core processor (2.20GHz, up to 4.10GHz with Turbo Boost Technology, 9MB Cache)
Windows 10 Home 64
17.3” UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) IPS anti-glare, 400nits
32GB (16GB + 16GB) DDR4 2400MHz
NVIDIA Quadro P600 4GB
256GB Solid State Drive PCIe-NVMe OPAL2.0 M.2
$1,518.30
It's user-expandable to 128 GB of RAM and can take four SSDs (2 NVM, 2 2.5 SATA). So I could take my existing SSDs and install them.
This offer is an employee-purchase program offer and is only good for this week and next week (I think that it's related to Memorial day too). This hardware configuration would be good for about 7-10 years for me as it has way more performance than I'd need for quite some time and it's quite expandable. This is what Apple is up against in terms of raw compute power, RAM and storage and it's not just Lenovo. A bunch of other vendors have this same configuration of expandability.
Now if I could just run macOS in a VM.
Problems can happen with any machine, from any vendor. My first X1 Carbon had a weird bug with the wifi card seeming to cause interference with the display and nearby devices, but their service was easy to work with and my replacement machine is stellar.
It's not like none of us have never had problems with prior MacBooks, either. But they were rarely so widespread, and crucially, could actually be repaired.
These keyboards aren't repaired. They're replaced, along with the speakers, battery, touch pad and upper chassis every single time there's a malfunctioning key or two (or dozen). It's absurd. And the keyboards they replace them with are fundamentally flawed in the same way, so it's not providing an actual resolution to the problem.
Meanwhile, Apple fails to provide any sense of the scope of the issue, leading to situations where lower-level Genius employees happily empathize (because they see the scale first-hand), but managers stonewall you with plausible deniability. It's the same as the people in these threads and on Twitter who constantly try to downplay the scale of the problem — the lack of actual information around the issue, which only Apple could provide, allows misinformation to run amok.
Even if Apple introduces a "fixed" keyboard in a 16" MBP next month, it won't do anything for those who already blew their budget on a machine tht typslik ths.
I did a comic of pulp fiction sam Jackson yelling at a mbpro saying: type ”WAHT” one more time....!
There are two ways forward, they introduce an 'all new' keyboard for 'the future' of the MBP which they let us lab rats test out and determine if it's any good, or they simply have the balls to just run with a 4th generation butterfly keyboard.
If the latter, I will save up all my laughter for the day of launch. If they go with the former then I suspect they will still roll out the butterfly keyboard on the 13 and 15" with the expected spec boost.
Call me a skeptic but I'd be very surprised if they changed it. Don't get me wrong, I hope they do, but... lol.
The only thing that makes me think they will change it is if they launch this new 16", it gives them the opportunity to avoid admitting the current keyboard is bad by saying this new model with a different keyboard is part of their planned road map.
They should use the keyboards featured on the airs in 2010, they still type!
Depends. If they stick to a ”mute” keyboard, still prioritizing visual experience over a tactile one, then I am still off. The rumored ”magic keyboard” equivalent is still butterfly, right?
Came for the Air keyboard, left for the butterfly.
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I thought that the Magic was scissors.
Easiest thing to do would be to stuff new CPU/GPU in 2015 chassis. Would be great would be to add one or two USB-C ports to the 2015 chassis.
My daughter recently purchased a 2017 nTB 13" MBP from Best Buy for a decent price. Her and her husband are Apple people (iPhones, Apple Watches, 15" 2015 MBP), and she's very excited with her purchase. She's a part-time college student, so it will get a workout soon.
I was very careful not to bury her with FUD regarding the keyboard, though I did ask how she liked the feel of it, stating that it was pretty polarizing among long time Mac users. She actually loves the feel. She's pretty manic about things working as they should, so I'll be the first to know if she has issues.
Her dad, on the other hand, the person who got her interested in Apple products, is saving for a new Thinkpad X1 Extreme, in anticipation of Apple not providing a much-needed update to the roll-the-dice keyboards...
I was very careful not to bury her with FUD regarding the keyboard, though I did ask how she liked the feel of it, stating that it was pretty polarizing among long time Mac users. She actually loves the feel. She's pretty manic about things working as they should, so I'll be the first to know if she has issues.
Her dad, on the other hand, the person who got her interested in Apple products, is saving for a new Thinkpad X1 Extreme, in anticipation of Apple not providing a much-needed update to the roll-the-dice keyboards...
Most likely they will change the keyboards this either or in 2020.
They can't keep up with it like this, the repair numbers gotta be insane... I mean people actually type on this
Every time I roll past the Apple store or Microcenter I go futz around with the new MacBooks (Pro and otherwise). I wish I could have USB C ports. I wish I could have a fancy new GPU. I wish I could have that new, sexy space grey body.
But I can't accept that sh*tty keyboard. So I go home and remember why I love my 2015 MBP.
I will never buy another Apple machine until they get over this keyboard nonsense. Period.
But I can't accept that sh*tty keyboard. So I go home and remember why I love my 2015 MBP.
I will never buy another Apple machine until they get over this keyboard nonsense. Period.
Original 2015 MacBook owner here. I believe this was the first Apple with the new butterfly keyboard. I've had three replacements in four years and the spacebar is becoming unresponsive again. It's not a MacBook Pro, but same type of keyboard (although Gen 1). And yes, my 15" MBP I purchased in 2009 ran 6 years without an issue.
It's time for me to upgrade again and I'm considering the MBP when the new one is released but will look long and hard at the keyboard specs. It's a three-day downtime at a minimum to get this replaced when it happens. And it is absolutely MADDENING to have the spacebar start glitching out. Youstart seeingsentenceslike this and then have to backspace backspace and backspace.
It's time for me to upgrade again and I'm considering the MBP when the new one is released but will look long and hard at the keyboard specs. It's a three-day downtime at a minimum to get this replaced when it happens. And it is absolutely MADDENING to have the spacebar start glitching out. Youstart seeingsentenceslike this and then have to backspace backspace and backspace.
This is a shame, my 2010 mbair types great well the keys that work, but not as good as other company’s laptop.
Sadly par for the course with Apple now. I too have a 2015 MB and no surprise it too developed keyboard issues and the USB C port is no longer reliable. Another replaced by a W10 OEM, Butterfly keyboard is simply cheap garbage, that's expensive to repair.
Maybe the 4th Gen Butterfly keyboard will actually work, or maybe after four years the farce will continue. Right now seems like Apple could care very less about the Mac and it's users...
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Indeed: even if they'd came up with a 4. gen "fixed" butterfly keyboard the issue is not exactly resolved for the real problem is not necessarily the keyboard's unreliability. The real issue imho is the fact its not user replaceable and repairs are ridiculously expensive. Sure, one could get Apple Care, but this just postpones the problem to a later point in time. Sooner or later warranty will expire. If a keyboard failure happens after expiration you're seriously screwed, left with only two options: have it repaired for a pretty hefty fee or hand the device over to garbage disposal; both options are not exactly convenient, especially given the original asking price.
In conclusion, if Apple wants me back as a customer they'd not only have to fix the keyboard, they'd also have to separate it from the upper casing and battery and not only make it user replaceable, but also offer replacement keyboards at reasonable prices.
To be honest, I don't think they are about to do any of this, which is why I can't see myself purchasing any Apple device in the foreseeable future.
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What would be nice is a modular keyboard. So you could pick the style you want.