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I have been with Apple since the original Mac mini and currently run a 2012 I7 mini with internal SSD and CalDigit thunderbolt towers for storage. I've been getting fed up with all of the beach balls and lag over the last few years, and am determined that my next desktop will be Windows and definitely NOT Apple (I just don't like where they seem to be headed). I recently did a clean install of Mojave (and installed all apps new) hoping to get rid of the beach balls and if anything it is worse (seemed great for the first few days). Thinking of a Dell XPS Tower, either i3 quad core or i5, but haven't yet decided. I have all of my movies, tv shows, and music in iTunes/Apple TV (v3) but will probably just run the Windows version of iTunes for the least disruption; I hate Plex and XBMC (whatever the name is these days).
 
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Indeed, but again, its what the majority wants. The Xs is just about as big as I would want, in fact, I was going for the Xr but it was just too big to hold in one hand whilst being able to reach the top to bottom with my thumb.

Everywhere I go people are using bigger phones and I understand why, on the train, sitting in a coffee shop or just at home. They are watching a video, playing games, surfing the net.

A mac is no use on the move, an iPad Pro whilst ok is still not as portable or convenient as a phone that can do everything the iPad can anyway.

Not everyone has the need or money to afford both so a large screen phone is often the goto device.

I have an iPhone X and have had since release, but while I like the phone in general, I do miss the larger size of my iPhone 6S+. When I swap out for a new phone after this September’s releases, I am going back to the larger size.

The 6S+ was my first venture into the bigger size and I thought I missed the smaller size and would be happy with the X, but I would trade it for an XS Max in a heartbeat.

Not for surfing the web, reading news or even watching videos, but for simple texting. I have have big hands and I guess while many folks like the smaller phones because they fit better in the hand, I find them small and I get many more errors in my typing on the smaller phone than I ever did on the 6S+, to the point where I find it frustrating.

I will personally be happy to be done with the X and back to a larger phone/screen :)
 
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Cheers, have to watch the Eurovision song contest now, just voted for Iceland.
The freaking phone manufacturers won't quit until it's 15" phones.
Good luck with that.
 
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It's actually pretty easy to use a Windows machine while being deep into the Apple Ecosystem. I have a PC and use Mailbird for my iCloud email which is seamless and does not add any additional folders to the clean version on both of my iPhones and iPad. I use the Windows version of iTunes which is almost identical to the Mac OS version. I use the iCloud Drive app which allows seamless sharing (drag and drop) to my Mac. I set up an Outlook account on my Macs and I-devices only for the calendar and to do / reminders. Really works very well between all devices. With that said I busted out my spare late 2012 Mini i5 with 16 GB of ram running Mojave and am really surprised how well this thing still works. Using it right now sharing a monitor with my PC. I really enjoy using my Macs but for AutoCAD I need a PC and they are now all tied together.

I just followed your advice and used the iCloud app to sync to MS Outlook. Works well so far!!!
 
I guess you can count me in since I just ordered a Dell XPS desktop. We'll see how well it integrates, but I really don't have too much invested in the Apple ecosystem right now. I would like to continue to use my Apple TV Gen 3's but most of my content is my own rips. The real reason that I have them is that I have had them for years and I still prefer Airplay to any other screen sharing method that I have seen. My wife and I both have iPhones but that should not be a major issue.
 
I guess you can count me in since I just ordered a Dell XPS desktop. We'll see how well it integrates, but I really don't have too much invested in the Apple ecosystem right now. I would like to continue to use my Apple TV Gen 3's but most of my content is my own rips. The real reason that I have them is that I have had them for years and I still prefer Airplay to any other screen sharing method that I have seen. My wife and I both have iPhones but that should not be a major issue.

I’m a Graphic Designer and I switched to a custom PC a month ago. I’ve had no issues working and sharing files with my co-worker (and wife) who is on an iMac. So far so good.
 
Hope you guys saw this..second Gen Thinkpad X1 Extreme announced. same chassis but much better specs for the price.
You can check out some of the discussion of the X1E over here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lenovo-x1-extreme.2134802/page-58#post-27357690

I posted a video here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lenovo-x1-extreme.2134802/page-59#post-27373674

In short its a nice spec update with a better GPU and some nice display options.

Overall, I'm incredibly impressed with the my X1E, aside from a sexy design, its everything that the MBP should have been imo.
 
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You can check out some of the discussion of the X1E over here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lenovo-x1-extreme.2134802/page-58#post-27357690

I posted a video here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lenovo-x1-extreme.2134802/page-59#post-27373674

In short its a nice spec update with a better GPU and some nice display options.

Overall, I'm incredibly impressed with the my X1E, aside from a sexy design, its everything that the MBP should have been imo.

I had a look at the specs, and then the suggested price (for the lower specs, but still...) - amazing piece. Every single person I know who have used thelenovos have been happy, even my normally grumpy company customers.

I need to try this at work first, then see if it is valid for home use.
 
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I had a look at the specs, and then the suggested price (for the lower specs, but still...) - amazing piece. Every single person I know who have used thelenovos have been happy, even my normally grumpy company customers.
They also have frequent sales, I'm seeing a 30% promotion on the X1E (gen 1) right now, though that's through my work service (tickets at work promotions).

I enjoyed a 30% discount, and snagged a configuration that would have been in the 4,600 range if I bought a MBP but instead paid 2286 (or there abouts)
 
They also have frequent sales, I'm seeing a 30% promotion on the X1E (gen 1) right now, though that's through my work service (tickets at work promotions).

I enjoyed a 30% discount, and snagged a configuration that would have been in the 4,600 range if I bought a MBP but instead paid 2286 (or there abouts)

That difference is just insane, especially given that the old "I gladly pay for quality" is now working for lenovo. Still, Windows 10.....but I can probably stand powershell and ugly windows for that amount of money saved. It is a mater of principle at this point.
 
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As I type this on my company issued 2017 MBP 15... I backspace to fix the double strikes. I bang harder on the keyboard to get some to type. I constantly have to deal with dongle hell just to do my daily job functions. I don't have the physical keys I need to touch type my way through my job.

I am a HUGE Apple fan. I have been an all in guy for a decade plus. But this is just getting ridiculous. I'm serious considering bouncing off to Linux because M$ is just not an option in my mind. I'm not going back to virus hell. I'm just wondering if I'm alone? Is this part of the plan? Is Apple pushing us to iPad Pros? It just feels like I got a "MacBook Plus" not a "Pro" machine. By that I mean it seems like somebody let a marketing person convince them that they could up sell people out of MacBook with bells and whistles and didn't bother giving a Pro line machine features and function I needed.

Again, I'm not some Windows or Android zealot here to start a flame war. Just a hardcore Apple guy wondering what Apple is thinking these days and if they just aren't that "into" the laptop market anymore?

I agree. Used to be a passionate fan of macbooks but maybe their engineers have burned out or just need vacation or maybe considering most their sales coming from iphones and the like they're trying to just kill macbooks faster and move on to products with greater profits.

What I found absolutely amazing is this website eldorado.gg in which you can sell wow gold from the comfort of your computer. It's a game that doesn't demand a lot of resources so even macbooks can run it flawlessly.
 
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.but I can probably stand powershell
I'm not a fan of the powershell, and MS is moving to improve the cmd shell, later versions will have a more terminal like app and if you're so moved you can install a linux subsystem in windows. Later versions will be running a more robust linux kernel instead of emulating the APIs. I actually got gone and a full version of ubuntu running on the subsystem. There was a lot of issues and since not all APIs were ported it wasn't that useful. With the kernel coming, that might change
 
Anyone else abandoning ship?

I’ve used Apple stuff since the Apple ][+ (in 1981) and Macintosh SE/30 (in 1990). The first Mac I bought was a then-new Yikes! Power Mac G4/350 PCI in 1999. My newest Mac is an early 2015 rMBP i5/2.7 running, yes, Sierra, and I still use an early 2011 unibody MBP i5/2.3. I have never used an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch.

I found first Apple’s slip-up the moment they released the iPhone in 2007, then promptly closing both the application ecosystem and the openness of its new handheld hardware. Its marketing angle then, that iOS was based on OS X, fell flat almost instantly as owners ran into problems with jailbreaking the devices. iOS divorced itself from OS X swiftly and emerged as a monetizing OS first, foremost, and broadly. Along with the adoption of iOS for handheld came the reduction of development for haptic-friendly iPod devices (i.e., products with the touch-wheel UI).

From that plateau, I found Apple fell further in 2011 when the iOS UX crept into OS X after perhaps the most stable, venerable build of OS X/macOS, Snow Leopard, itself the product of a decade of steady refinements, was superseded by Lion and then thrust into a cycle of annual version switches and free downloads. After briefly trying it on the 2011 MBP, I skipped Lion, returned to Snow Leopard, and continued to use that until early 2017 when I began using the retina MBP on Sierra.

With my own eyes, I watched High Sierra wreak utter havoc on my peer’s i7 Mac mini from 2014. This, plus Apple’s insistence to develop the blemished APFS (after forgoing ZFS way back in 2007 when someone at Sun spilled the beans that Apple were planning to adopt ZFS a day before Jobs was to deliver his frisson-inducing keynote scoop about… ZFS superseding HFS+) which still is far from perfect, was another fall down to the next plateau.

And lastly, once Apple’s strategy with laptops championed thinness over modularity to the point of borrowing from how it produced its handheld mobile devices to be completely sealed and non-upgradeable from the outset, from the retina MBPs in mid-2012 and, this was yet another slide down the mountain. That Apple chose not to follow a path of offering a consumer line of laptops and desktops which went with no upgradeable parts, next to a line of laptops for professional and higher-end users who require modularity, adaptability, extensibility, and longevity (with the understanding one pays more for this approach), is still lost to me.

Once Touchbar-era MBPs replaced the rMBPs in 2016, I realized I was done. Whether this means I’ll try a go with a Hackintosh setup next or not is down the way and not something over which I’m going to lose sleep.

For my work and for my play, the motivation to spend up to $5K+ for a completely non-upgradeable portable — especially as we can no longer pretend to ignore the 1:1 relationship of planned obsolescence and disposability with an overload of consumption waste everywhere — is zero, while growth and profit are not infinite (nor do we have any business deluding ourselves to function as if they are, whether as consumer or shareholder).
 
My first Apple was an Apple II fully configured with BOTH 5-¼” floppy drives. More recently, I really liked my 2008 15” MacBookPro and followed it up with a 2012 version. Then I began looking for a 2016 replacement and had the good fortune to actually try to type on one at an Apple Store. What a miserable experience for a fast touch-typist. And the decision to abandon the amazing MagSafe adapter, now adopted by Microsoft on their Surface Books, just seemed so wrong. So I waited for the 2017 version expected these design choices to be rectified. No such luck. 2018 the same. So? Abandonment.

Moved to an iMac for heavy-duty stuff and 5K resolution, and use my iPadPro with Logitech keyboard case for all else. Miss the MBP but can’t deal with its, in my opinion, failings. Sad.
 
For now my option is using a enclosed GPU for the time being with the 13" using a RX 580... but sadly it only works when connected to an external display lol
 
There are two ways forward, they introduce an 'all new' keyboard for 'the future' of the MBP which they let us lab rats test out and determine if it's any good, or they simply have the balls to just run with a 4th generation butterfly keyboard.

So I was unfortunately right, they launched updated MBP's today with a 4th Generation butterfly keyboard. Turns out it takes nothing but balls to keep trying over and over.
 
So I was unfortunately right, they launched updated MBP's today with a 4th Generation butterfly keyboard. Turns out it takes nothing but balls to keep trying over and over.
WOW,
I didn't see that coming. I've been buried at work and this is the first time since this morning that I come here.
 
So I was unfortunately right, they launched updated MBP's today with a 4th Generation butterfly keyboard. Turns out it takes nothing but balls to keep trying over and over.
It is the same crap as 3rd gen but with "new materials", whatever that means. Also they expanded keyboard replacement program to 3rd gen and the 2018 MBP will get the "new improved" sort-of 4th gen keyboard when replacing the original one. I find it funny, that they already included the 2019 MBP in the keyboard program on launch date:

https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/
 
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Well, I aint going to be the Guinea Pig for this one, been burned twice on that keyboard, won't be a 3rd :)
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It is the same crap as 3rd gen but with "new materials", whatever that means.

I suspect all they have done is made the butterfly switches out of harder/thicker material. So if any of the keys get clogged up with dirt, the switch will be less likely to break at the weak points under the stress.
 
WOW,
I didn't see that coming. I've been buried at work and this is the first time since this morning that I come here.

I doubt it will make a HUGE difference, this whole design seems flawed from the start.

Maybe they found a way to avoid dust and somehow heat not reach the keys?
 
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I doubt it will make a HUGE difference, this whole design seems flawed from the start.

Maybe they found a way to avoid dust and somehow heat not reach the keys?
Rumors were swirling about regarding a 16" laptop, I guess that rumor has been put to rest.

I don't think we'll see much in terms of improved cooling, unless they beefed up the fans, and you're right the keyboard is sill the same flawed one, though with new materials it may be sturdy enough to withstand the issues that caused the others to fail.
 
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