belvdr
macrumors 603
Agreed. Apple didn't force anyone to purchase and install 10.6. If someone did this, they volunteered to be a guinea pig.
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Anyone else think Snow Leopard... sucks?
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Agreed. Apple didn't force anyone to purchase and install 10.6. If someone did this, they volunteered to be a guinea pig.
wallaby
macrumors 6502a
I just upgraded yesterday, and while it's not all good news I'm pretty please with the update. I can't really quantify how much faster it feels, but if I had to say, I'd say "An eentsy bit." Just barely noticable. But there's just tons of nips and tucks throughout the system that I found aggravating in Leopard, and I'm glad they're fixed (i.e. the way navigating backward in Icon view in the Leopard Finder would reset to the top of the scroll). Most applications are working just fine, although the ones that were iffy on Leopard (like Office 08) feel even slower in SL, though I don't necessarily blame the OS. I thought I might be aggravated by the new Exposé because all windows tend to become the same size in hierarchy, but the fact that I can see labels (LABELS!) now on all the windows is great, and so is being able to minimize into Applications.
To be sure, this is the operating system we should have gotten when Leopard was released, and paying an extra $29 on top of the $129 for leopard is a little sketch. But it's been almost 2 years, so the money doesn't hurt so much.
Now as soon as Growl is updated to work with Snow Leopard, I'll be content. 😀
To be sure, this is the operating system we should have gotten when Leopard was released, and paying an extra $29 on top of the $129 for leopard is a little sketch. But it's been almost 2 years, so the money doesn't hurt so much.
Now as soon as Growl is updated to work with Snow Leopard, I'll be content. 😀
TheSpaz
macrumors 604
Exactly... I'm still running Mac OS X Tiger at work only because we NEED the Classic environment because we have legacy software that we use. Also, a lot of my workflows and scripts have been written for Tiger and I'm sure that upgrading to Leopard will break a lot of those workflows. Another thing is... I hate, hate, hate, hate the spotlight feature in Leopard... I much prefer Tiger's spotlight.
No one is lazy for not doing a clean install. We shouldn't have to do a clean install. If Apple offers the process to upgrade, it should "just work" as they claim their computers do.
I don't know why so many different people are having issues, but Apple better figure it out soon, or this will be their "Vista".
I haven't upgraded, and I will not until all of these issues are cleared up.
Another vote for "Sucks"
I've installed SL. No, it wasn't a clean install over a virgin OS. I'm with drossad - it shouldn't have to be a clean install. And I'm not impressed.
It's been on my system for over a week and my system won't run a bunch of apps including iTunes, my older version of Garage Band (and I ain't upgrading it), Photoshop Elements 3 (ain't upgrading that one either) and a bunch of other apps. I am not impressed.
Simple stuff, like formatting disks, burning DVDs and changing my Time Machine file location have become crazy exercises of watching the pinwheel spin. I am not impressed.
The original install was quick but my hunt for drivers and tweaking and general hairpulling has cost me dozens of hours of time and probably a year off my life due to the elevated blood pressure. I am not impressed.
As much as I'm not a big fan of shooting animals for sport, Snow Leopard should be taken out and shot and put out of our collective misery.
I am not impressed.
I've installed SL. No, it wasn't a clean install over a virgin OS. I'm with drossad - it shouldn't have to be a clean install. And I'm not impressed.
It's been on my system for over a week and my system won't run a bunch of apps including iTunes, my older version of Garage Band (and I ain't upgrading it), Photoshop Elements 3 (ain't upgrading that one either) and a bunch of other apps. I am not impressed.
Simple stuff, like formatting disks, burning DVDs and changing my Time Machine file location have become crazy exercises of watching the pinwheel spin. I am not impressed.
The original install was quick but my hunt for drivers and tweaking and general hairpulling has cost me dozens of hours of time and probably a year off my life due to the elevated blood pressure. I am not impressed.
As much as I'm not a big fan of shooting animals for sport, Snow Leopard should be taken out and shot and put out of our collective misery.
I am not impressed.
Updated both my Hack and Mac to 10.6 and subsequently 10.6.1 via Software Update. I did clean installs for both because I really hate upgrading to a new OS from an old one.
In any event, both installations seem very stable and I like the little changes. I haven't tested performance very thoroughly but at least in the case of my Hack my Geekbench scores are up a bit in both 32bit and 64bit Geekbench tests. I haven't found any incompatibilities yet. Although, it's only been a few days and I haven't had time to install all the software I use.
In any event, both installations seem very stable and I like the little changes. I haven't tested performance very thoroughly but at least in the case of my Hack my Geekbench scores are up a bit in both 32bit and 64bit Geekbench tests. I haven't found any incompatibilities yet. Although, it's only been a few days and I haven't had time to install all the software I use.
synth3tik
macrumors 68040
There still needs to be a few more updates to SL before I will let the disk get near my computer.
I am sitting on both SL and Logic 9, waiting until issues between the two are fixed.
Just started a couple new projects so now it will be at least 6 months before I will even have the chance to upgrade.
I am sitting on both SL and Logic 9, waiting until issues between the two are fixed.
Just started a couple new projects so now it will be at least 6 months before I will even have the chance to upgrade.
I can second that. My 2006 1.83 core duo with SL feels much more responsive than Leo on my early 2009 iMac. I didn't even bother with a fresh install... 😛
SpaceKitty
macrumors 68040
I like it! My MBP came with SL installed on it. Like some others here, I have only one minor problem but it's nothing to go back to Leopard over.
NT1440
macrumors P6
SpaceKitty
macrumors 68040
No. The problem I am having is when watching TV shows through Front Row. The last watched time and play count isn't updated in iTunes. Itunes will only show a partial blue dot to show the episode was watched but not completed.
This is only a SL bug. My iMac works perfectly for the above problem running Leopard. I tried upgrading it to SL and then it too had the bug. I used time machine to restore back to Leopard.
My Time Machine works perfectly on my SL MBP.
Guilty as Charged....
Okay, I am an optimistic idiot for installing Snow Leopard so quickly. My past experience has been so golden, that I think I set my expectations too high.
After 5 days of troubleshooting and yes I'll admit, occasional whining,... I have gotten SL 10.6.1 running smoothly on my iMac.
Running a clean install would be silly for me, as I have over 30 large 3rd party apps I use regularly on my machine. I was able to avoid this by backing up all my files to my external, deleting my user account and creating a new admin account. This took over a day, because of Snow Leopard's propensity to crash my old user.
Everything seems to be running very smoothly. I am letting go of my grudge. I foolishly opted to be a guinea pig, ALTHOUGH I think it would behoove Apple to perhaps add a hint of a warning on their merchandise, or a system scan to prepare the user for potential issues before the install.
Okay, I am an optimistic idiot for installing Snow Leopard so quickly. My past experience has been so golden, that I think I set my expectations too high.
After 5 days of troubleshooting and yes I'll admit, occasional whining,... I have gotten SL 10.6.1 running smoothly on my iMac.
Running a clean install would be silly for me, as I have over 30 large 3rd party apps I use regularly on my machine. I was able to avoid this by backing up all my files to my external, deleting my user account and creating a new admin account. This took over a day, because of Snow Leopard's propensity to crash my old user.
Everything seems to be running very smoothly. I am letting go of my grudge. I foolishly opted to be a guinea pig, ALTHOUGH I think it would behoove Apple to perhaps add a hint of a warning on their merchandise, or a system scan to prepare the user for potential issues before the install.
Snow Leopard definitely sucks
BIG WARNING - I upgraded to Snow Leopard about 5 days ago. As a matter of good practice I always try to run the latest versions of everything I own and so my iMac with an 2.8GHz Intel Core Duo processor and 4gbs of RAM has pretty much the latest versions of everything. Like most people I was drawn to Macs assertions about efficiency and speed. Sadly my experience is quite the reverse. The most visible problem is that my Mac has forgotten how to network with Windows based PCs. All working fine on Leopard 10.5.2, now - nothing.
In fairness Mac have been very good. I spent nearly 2hrs on the phone to a networking expert in California. He and many of his colleagues have been baffled by it. They sent me some diagnostic software which I ran and currently the pointy-heads are looking into it.
More worryingly is the speed. My Mac now runs most apps at about 20% less speed. It's especially irksome that Firefox now downloads like a 54k modem. I switched to Safari with the same result. Photoshop, Quarkxpress, Illustrator, Microsoft Office - all the same results. Mysteriously Adobe Acrobat has lost some of its functionality. I would love to blame something else but I know enough to know that these problems occur when you make changes to your set up and Snow Leopard is the only change I have made. Any ideas?
BIG WARNING - I upgraded to Snow Leopard about 5 days ago. As a matter of good practice I always try to run the latest versions of everything I own and so my iMac with an 2.8GHz Intel Core Duo processor and 4gbs of RAM has pretty much the latest versions of everything. Like most people I was drawn to Macs assertions about efficiency and speed. Sadly my experience is quite the reverse. The most visible problem is that my Mac has forgotten how to network with Windows based PCs. All working fine on Leopard 10.5.2, now - nothing.
In fairness Mac have been very good. I spent nearly 2hrs on the phone to a networking expert in California. He and many of his colleagues have been baffled by it. They sent me some diagnostic software which I ran and currently the pointy-heads are looking into it.
More worryingly is the speed. My Mac now runs most apps at about 20% less speed. It's especially irksome that Firefox now downloads like a 54k modem. I switched to Safari with the same result. Photoshop, Quarkxpress, Illustrator, Microsoft Office - all the same results. Mysteriously Adobe Acrobat has lost some of its functionality. I would love to blame something else but I know enough to know that these problems occur when you make changes to your set up and Snow Leopard is the only change I have made. Any ideas?
i installed snow leopard when my dvd finally came..it was meh.
MUCH more excited when i installed windows 7 via bootcamp. i love it!
MUCH more excited when i installed windows 7 via bootcamp. i love it!
I think it's ok. I did an over the top upgrade but I wasn't seeing the speed bump. I was beachballing in Firefox all the time and programs didn't load any faster. Last night I did a fully clean install and thinks are as advertised. Everything is faster and loading quick. Bliss.
whooleytoo
macrumors 604
That seems to be a common experience. If upgrade installs are that problematic, you'd wonder if Apple should even offer it as an option..
miknos
Suspended
My experience with Snow Leopard:
My specs:
Macbook (early 2008)
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz
2GB RAM
Intel GMA X3100
I did a clean install and I always avoid bloated apps that might sluggish the computer (like Norton for example).
- Free HD Space? I used Xslimmer to remove PPC binaries and other languages from my apps so I didn't gain any space with Snow Leopard.
- Stability? It's as stable as my Leopard but after using Snow Leopard for a while, sometimes artifacts appear, probably because of poor graphic drivers.
- Speed increase? It's around 10%. Any gain is good but it's barely noticeable. [I don't care about Shutdown/CD Eject speed btw.]
What I liked:
- Increase in speed ~10% for most apps (it's very subtle but any increase is fine).
- Minor tweaks.
What I dislike:
- Exposé is sluggish and arrange horribly (download window gets bigger than Safari itself!). The feature I most like in Os X got $crewed. And WHO THE HELL choose that ugly blue aura?
- Artifacts (in window's shadow), probably caused by poor graphic drivers.
I recommend people to NOT INSTALL Snow Leopard. Wait for more updates, and check if they "fix" Exposé.
It's only 30 bucks, but paying for a "problematic service pack" it's not in my plans.
I love Apple products but I must say Snow Leopard = Vista. Maybe has something to do with Steve Jobs absence?
My specs:
Macbook (early 2008)
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz
2GB RAM
Intel GMA X3100
I did a clean install and I always avoid bloated apps that might sluggish the computer (like Norton for example).
- Free HD Space? I used Xslimmer to remove PPC binaries and other languages from my apps so I didn't gain any space with Snow Leopard.
- Stability? It's as stable as my Leopard but after using Snow Leopard for a while, sometimes artifacts appear, probably because of poor graphic drivers.
- Speed increase? It's around 10%. Any gain is good but it's barely noticeable. [I don't care about Shutdown/CD Eject speed btw.]
What I liked:
- Increase in speed ~10% for most apps (it's very subtle but any increase is fine).
- Minor tweaks.
What I dislike:
- Exposé is sluggish and arrange horribly (download window gets bigger than Safari itself!). The feature I most like in Os X got $crewed. And WHO THE HELL choose that ugly blue aura?
- Artifacts (in window's shadow), probably caused by poor graphic drivers.
I recommend people to NOT INSTALL Snow Leopard. Wait for more updates, and check if they "fix" Exposé.
It's only 30 bucks, but paying for a "problematic service pack" it's not in my plans.
I love Apple products but I must say Snow Leopard = Vista. Maybe has something to do with Steve Jobs absence?
miknos
Suspended
I think artifacts are happening only with intel GMA X3100 cards. I found some pics:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/...ton12031987/Screenshot2009-09-05at53959AM.png
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachsilvey/3872786661/
In my case It happens rarely (but it happens!), specially when my laptop is ON for a while. In 10.5 After days of no-reboot and no problem.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/...ton12031987/Screenshot2009-09-05at53959AM.png
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachsilvey/3872786661/
In my case It happens rarely (but it happens!), specially when my laptop is ON for a while. In 10.5 After days of no-reboot and no problem.
63dot
macrumors 603
History repeats itself. When a new OS comes out, different features or incomplete features piss people off and they write it off as a bad version the day they install it. Leopard initially had issues with internet connectivity via DSL and some people not liking the dock and how it showed apps that were open, among other gripes. Either people got used to Leopard or Apple fixed problems and most eventually became happy with it.
Snow Leopard may need tweaking and after that it will become the standard OS, unlike MS who tried unsuccessfully with true flops like Millennium and Vista.
From what I can gather, the only OS I remember Apple folks generally not liking was the first beta and then first "finished" release of OS X. Most of my friends stuck with OS 9 until 10.2 came out and converted a large amount of classic OS folk. Some on these forums waited until 10.3.
Snow Leopard may need tweaking and after that it will become the standard OS, unlike MS who tried unsuccessfully with true flops like Millennium and Vista.
From what I can gather, the only OS I remember Apple folks generally not liking was the first beta and then first "finished" release of OS X. Most of my friends stuck with OS 9 until 10.2 came out and converted a large amount of classic OS folk. Some on these forums waited until 10.3.
I upgrade installed my MacBook Pro 13" with no problems at all. But it was a new machine, only a couple of weeks old.
I upgrade installed on my MacPro and had a few issues, so went back and did a clean install. Now everything is fine.
I think the success of the upgrade install seems to depend on how old and clogged up your computer is.
I upgrade installed on my MacPro and had a few issues, so went back and did a clean install. Now everything is fine.
I think the success of the upgrade install seems to depend on how old and clogged up your computer is.
miknos
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63dot,
I know bugs will be addressed in the future but when I upgraded 10.4 to 10.5, I saw a great improvement and stability wasn't a issue.
The only issue I am really concerned is Exposé. If Apple don't fix it or put some option to change the arrangement of windows (to relative size, like 10.5), I'll downgrade to Leopard. Meanwhile I'll keep searching for a "hack". Hopefully somebody might find a way to use 10.5 Exposé in SL.
I know bugs will be addressed in the future but when I upgraded 10.4 to 10.5, I saw a great improvement and stability wasn't a issue.
The only issue I am really concerned is Exposé. If Apple don't fix it or put some option to change the arrangement of windows (to relative size, like 10.5), I'll downgrade to Leopard. Meanwhile I'll keep searching for a "hack". Hopefully somebody might find a way to use 10.5 Exposé in SL.
HLdan
macrumors 603
Makes no difference if your Mac is 1 day, 2 days, 2 weeks or a year old. It matters what you've got installed over that time that creates conflicts with a new operating system upgrade. This is not towards you but SL has been out 3 weeks now, I don't understand why some people that have long term accounts here with hundreds of posts still go the ignorant way and upgrade SL knowing many posters are having issues with it.
It's ridiculous to spend several days working on fixes when they could've easily spent on day completely erasing Leopard or Tiger and installing SL and manually installing their apps back, that's what I did on 3 of my Macs and I have zero issues with SL. One day of work for me and I get to sit here and laugh at the complainers who upgraded.