Anyone else think Snow Leopard... sucks?

[brbubba]

Another one...

There are some definite video rendering problems on my crappy intel chipset. I have a similar video corruption where old scrambled video images will show up in a Safari screen when hitting the Top Site button. Doesn't happen often, but on rare occasion. Very odd.

EDIT: The best I can describe the main issue for me is similar to a memory leak. The system slowly degrades performance wise until it becomes virtually unusable. A restart is pretty much the only solution.

 

[arpanet]

crashes on numerous apps.

Oct 5, 2009

Upgraded 1 yr old MacBook 2.4Ghz. Snow Leopard sucks for me.

What crashes? Safari, often (not always) when I print & save to a PDF
but also at other times. iPhoto. iTunes. Firefox. Preview.
How often under Leopard? Safari maybe once, the others, never.

What has not crashed? Palm Desktop, Quicken, Quicktime, Skype,
Apple Remote Desktop, Terminal, Console, Activity Monitor.
Finder has not "crashed" but has needed to be relaunched
repeatedly to refresh device listings.

My SnowLeopard install was first an "upgrade". Then I tried booting
from optical and "Fixing permissions", removing all
~/Library/Cashes, all system Caches. Then tried
a fresh install on a newly formatted (different) disk. Same thing.

Booting off my saved image of Leopard, all is fine, as it hasbeen for a year. Moving this image to the SL disk...all is fine.

Looking for my rubber chicken -- it seemed to help fix recalcitrant
mainframes. Uh oh, they were not usually 64-bit. Maybe I can get
the chicken upgrade from Apple for another $30.

 

[TheSpaz]

Oct 5, 2009

Upgraded 1 yr old MacBook 2.4Ghz. Snow Leopard sucks for me.

What crashes? Safari, often (not always) when I print & save to a PDF
but also at other times. iPhoto. iTunes. Firefox. Preview.
How often under Leopard? Safari maybe once, the others, never.

What has not crashed? Palm Desktop, Quicken, Quicktime, Skype,
Apple Remote Desktop, Terminal, Console, Activity Monitor.
Finder has not "crashed" but has needed to be relaunched
repeatedly to refresh device listings.

My SnowLeopard install was first an "upgrade". Then I tried booting
from optical and "Fixing permissions", removing all
~/Library/Cashes, all system Caches. Then tried
a fresh install on a newly formatted (different) disk. Same thing.

Booting off my saved image of Leopard, all is fine, as it hasbeen for a year. Moving this image to the SL disk...all is fine.

Looking for my rubber chicken -- it seemed to help fix recalcitrant
mainframes. Uh oh, they were not usually 64-bit. Maybe I can get
the chicken upgrade from Apple for another $30.

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I don't have those issues. My issues have been so minor that I can't really even worry about them, but none of my apps have crashed and I use my computer all the time. Are you using any third party drivers, extensions or control panels?

 

[alecgold]

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I don't have those issues. My issues have been so minor that I can't really even worry about them, but none of my apps have crashed and I use my computer all the time. Are you using any third party drivers, extensions or control panels?

only flaws that i found is that my 3th party isync plugin doesn't work anymore and that my mobile internet provider isn't ready with it's driver. other than that, SL is the update that windows 7 hopes to be.

 

[Eidorian]

I'm happily back on 10.5.8 now after a messy migration.

 

[LogicProbe]

Flaky Flaky OS

I can't express my dissapointmne enough with SL. My iMac 7,1 was running great prior to installing SL. Since installation my user switching takes nearly 10 seconds when under 10.5 it took about 1.5 seconds. I get the blue screen of death for about 7 of the 10 seconds. Apple support told me to reinstall SL, no effect. Certain photos in iPhoto are not accessible by one user by ok when accessed by the other user and we share a common library so the data is not corrupt. The whirrling rainbow is now my constant friend. Program launch is lethargic. I have spent some time trying to revert to 10.5 as I have time machine. Under SL I can no longer burn a DVD with my photos taken since the installation of SL. Three times I get burn failed and I have excluded the photos not accessible by the one user. In another attempt to backup my photos I tried to access iDisk to put the photos someplace during the drive format, no access to server? What the hell. This OS is truly SH&T. I have had more system crashes in the past month than in the past 2 years. I commend Apple for trying to produce a smaller tighter OS but it is not nearly ready. I wish I had not installed it. I double wish I could just pop 10.5 into the drive and do an archive install.

 

[vpkb1998]

I have iMac 7,1 and have not experienced what you mentioned. Actually, only had issues with the earlier beta builds, but not with the RTM build.

Did you do a fresh install or an upgrade? As with any new operating systems, bugs are inevitable.

I have no issues and found the enhanced UI to be very worth it.

 

[5DollaFootlong]

the only problem i have with snow leopard, is when i use my macbook in clamshell mode connected to my monitor. the macintosh hd icon on the hard drive ends up somewhere in the middle of the desktop. relaunching the finder takes care of it. with 10.6.2 coming soon, i have no doubts that snow leopard will be a rock solid os.

 

[HLdan]

Anyone having any major issues outside of softwares that haven't been updated by the developers for SL should consider the issues they are having as their own fault and nobody else's. I have 5 Macs and none of them gave me a hitch with installation or running my apps. There's no such "blue screen of death" on a Mac. Starting to get suspect of how many lies are told here to spread FUD. Notably, it's from newer accounts and/or disgruntled Windows users that are retaliating from the Mac vs. PC ads.
Again, if anyone is having issues with the beachballs, crashes, freezes or any other lie they want to spread FUD over, it's their own fault and they need to own up and take responsibility instead of blaming an OS that most people are having great experiences from. Most of us are using the same computer hardware and the same OS, wonder why only some of us are having problems? Hmm. PEBACAC.

 

[Eidorian]

Anyone having any major issues outside of softwares that haven't been updated by the developers for SL should consider the issues they are having as their own fault and nobody else's. I have 5 Macs and none of them gave me a hitch with installation or running my apps. There's no such "blue screen of death" on a Mac. Starting to get suspect of how many lies are told here to spread FUD. Notably, it's from newer accounts and/or disgruntled Windows users that are retaliating from the Mac vs. PC ads.
Again, if anyone is having issues with the beachballs, crashes, freezes or any other lie they want to spread FUD over, it's their own fault and they need to own up and take responsibility instead of blaming an OS the most people are having great experiences from. Most of us are using the same computer hardware and the same OS, wonder why only some of us are having problems? Hmm. PEBACAC.

I have problems on a clean install. I've tried different media and I can replicate my Open/Save file dialog issues on 3 different Macs.

Don't forget losing my Spotlight comments. I might as well throw my Mac out the window if I can't use those.

 

[feuerschlange]

Snow Leopard doesn't suck for me - except a few issues

I like snow Leopard so far.
I like:

- the (subjective) boost in responsiveness, start and shut down time, some apps (Lightroom especially).

I like the new finder icon functions.

I like, that I can natively access my files on my Windows XP partition without jumping hoops with VMWare Fusion (Windows is soooooo slow, to boot up, just for a few files ).

I like, that my Dragthing desktop trash bin now stays fixed, when using Exposè "show desktop".

I do not like:

That Apple COMPLETELY messed up a perfectly streamlined, responsive and logic Exposè to a steaming pile of …

I don't like the new tab style in Safari, where Safari "marks" all not yet viewed tabs, making it very hard, to see, which tab is active at the moment.


I have the feeling, Apple likes to ruin their great improvements now and then in just putting in some "repair until it's broken attitude".

 

[Saxking20]

Sucks for me......

I just spent 20 minutes typing all the problems I had with SL, clicked on preview post and lost the whole damn thing.
Will sum up in 20 words or less:
Have done installs/upgrades on 5 Macs-starting with Panther and have never had a problem until this one.
24 hours farting with it: FOUR CALLS TO APPLE TECH and they tried everything......... No go. Spinning beach balls......... forever to do the simplest task. Blue screens.......... You name it. IT SUCKS!!!!!!
Reloaded Leopard.
About a week later, someone on LOGICHELP suggested deleting a couple of files from a MOTU driver which I did. Reinstalled SL and same thing. SIX hours later I am back on Leopard.......
It will take a lot of persuasion to get me to try this again........

Also, I had turned off the updating in Time Machine at the first install to protect my original data. Forgot to turn it back on and when the drive got stripped on the second SL install, I lost five days of data....... Took me 10 hours to reverse engineer the music tracks, the score and all. I won't make that mistake again!....

OK so I ran over the 20 words......... I just don't appreciate some a**hole calling me a liar or an amateur just because he was able to get a good install. Something is wrong with this OS.

Alum iMac, 1 TB Lacie Firewire, Three LaCie 150 gig Firewire, White MacBook.

 

[TheSpaz]

I just spent 20 minutes typing all the problems I had with SL, clicked on preview post and lost the whole damn thing.
Will sum up in 20 words or less:
Have done installs/upgrades on 5 Macs-starting with Panther and have never had a problem until this one.
24 hours farting with it: FOUR CALLS TO APPLE TECH and they tried everything......... No go. Spinning beach balls......... forever to do the simplest task. Blue screens.......... You name it. IT SUCKS!!!!!!
Reloaded Leopard.
About a week later, someone on LOGICHELP suggested deleting a couple of files from a MOTU driver which I did. Reinstalled SL and same thing. SIX hours later I am back on Leopard.......
It will take a lot of persuasion to get me to try this again........

Also, I had turned off the updating in Time Machine at the first install to protect my original data. Forgot to turn it back on and when the drive got stripped on the second SL install, I lost five days of data....... Took me 10 hours to reverse engineer the music tracks, the score and all. I won't make that mistake again!....

OK so I ran over the 20 words......... I just don't appreciate some a**hole calling me a liar or an amateur just because he was able to get a good install. Something is wrong with this OS.

Alum iMac, 1 TB Lacie Firewire, Three LaCie 150 gig Firewire, White MacBook.

Time Machine is a backup... not a storage drive. I don't get how you can LOSE 5 days of data that should still be on your startup hard drive.

It's your own fault you lost that data and you've obviously got some misbehaving third party drivers that are not compatible with Snow Leopard. Get on THEM about it and don't complain about the OS.

 

[LightDJ]

Cant tell if it sucks or not but...

I have a macbook pro 2.26 unibody, 4GB and a 500GB HDD.

Just shortly after installing 10.6 I had a hard drive failure when running a system scan with Cocktail Snow Leopard version, the computer crashed and on the reboot the directory was lost, and had no access to the drive.
I formatted the drive and restored everything.

Had a big video project I was working on Final Cut, but since I wanted to do simple editing I migrated it to imovie ilife 09. The quicktime media files imported with no problem but after 10 minutes of editing the clips, imovie stopped working. Couldnt fix it. I had been doing large edits on imovie first time I have this kind of crash. The thumbnails wouldnt show up and the whole system crashed when trying to get some response.
The way I fixed it was restoring the preferences and deleting the media files and projects.

I also have experienced decrease in speeds after long hours of working on the computer. The dock becomes unresponsive, and the whole interface slows down.

Previously with 10.5 I hadnt experienced this kind of issues.

Is it the upgrades fault or some set of unwanted situations all coming up at the same time?

 

[markjones05]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that they ruined quicktime? It has half the options as Quicktime 7. I cant even export, or see timecode...its horrendous.

 

[iLog.Genius]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that they ruined quicktime? It has half the options as Quicktime 7. I cant even export, or see timecode...its horrendous.

Then use QuickTime 7. It's still there in your Applications folder and if not, you can always reinstall it. This "problem" was blown out for nothing without knowing all the facts.

 

[flanamac]

Glad I haven't moved yet...

Sounds like after reading the last few days of posts, that Apple hasn't worked out the kinks in this upgrade-ware.

I think I will keep the $25 for now and buy some good wine.

 

[AAPLaday]

lol i have problems with Expose too. I still after using it for nearly 2 months click on the wrong window is im trying to switch application fast as it makes them all the same size!

 

[markjones05]

Then use QuickTime 7. It's still there in your Applications folder and if not, you can always reinstall it. This "problem" was blown out for nothing without knowing all the facts.

Still doesn't answer the question of why they would intentionally downgrade an application.

 

[TheSpaz]

Still doesn't answer the question of why they would intentionally downgrade an application.

Do you realize how OLD QuickTime is? Re-writing that is a HUGE task. So they made a separate QuickTime called QuickTime X and the main benefit is, it's now COCOA and 64 Bit! So they're working toward phasing out QuickTime 7, but they're not completely there yet.

Think about the OS 9 to OS X transition in relation to QuickTime 7 and QuickTime X. They need to completely re-write it to bring it up to speed with the rest of their apps.

iTunes is another big one that uses legacy code (a lot of it is from SoundJam). So, please give QuickTime X to develop into a feature-rich new-age app.

 

[Maccin475]

Yes.

 

[HLdan]

I just spent 20 minutes typing all the problems I had with SL, clicked on preview post and lost the whole damn thing.
Will sum up in 20 words or less:
Have done installs/upgrades on 5 Macs-starting with Panther and have never had a problem until this one.
24 hours farting with it: FOUR CALLS TO APPLE TECH and they tried everything......... No go. Spinning beach balls......... forever to do the simplest task. Blue screens.......... You name it. IT SUCKS!!!!!!
Reloaded Leopard.
About a week later, someone on LOGICHELP suggested deleting a couple of files from a MOTU driver which I did. Reinstalled SL and same thing. SIX hours later I am back on Leopard.......
It will take a lot of persuasion to get me to try this again........

Also, I had turned off the updating in Time Machine at the first install to protect my original data. Forgot to turn it back on and when the drive got stripped on the second SL install, I lost five days of data....... Took me 10 hours to reverse engineer the music tracks, the score and all. I won't make that mistake again!....

OK so I ran over the 20 words......... I just don't appreciate some a**hole calling me a liar or an amateur just because he was able to get a good install. Something is wrong with this OS.

Alum iMac, 1 TB Lacie Firewire, Three LaCie 150 gig Firewire, White MacBook.

Actually that ****** was able to get 5 good installs on the first try. If you can't even succeed at one then it's has to be user error.

 

[KALLT]

I'm disappointed as well. I spent the money because I expected a speed increase, rewritten applications and a lot of bug fixes.

My MacBook isn't noticeably snappier, with the exception of Mail. The boot time is slightly shorter. Overall I have more problems with crashes and loud fans than I used to. The 64-bit mode of System Preferences is just annoying. I have to restart the application very often. iTunes is becoming more and more an abomination. Not just because of it's new look, but because it is noticeably slower as well.

There are almost no new useful/important features that I am aware of. Exposé is just terrible since it shows minimized windows too. Emptying the trash is taking forever.

The biggest bummer for me is that my Unibody MacBook, which is actually capable of running in 64-bit mode, is not able to because Apple prevents it.

I am happy that it costed me only € 29. It feels more like a Windows Service Pack than an actual major update. For some reason I expected a lot more from Apple. I switched a year ago and now I realize that Apple is hardly better than Microsoft.

 

[MythicFrost]

If you don't do a clean install, you have a chance of that happening.
There are a lot more variables in play when you upgrade, or restore from a Time Machine backup.

Did you do a clean install? or not?
I did one on my new SSD and it's working great, just as the upgrade from Leopard that I did on my HD before I got the SSD.
So I can only recommend waiting until you have time, backup all your data w/ TM and an external backup, double backup particularly important files and then do a clean install.

Hopefully 10.6.2 will fix many of these bugs without having to do this!

Kind Regards

 

[jgerry]

I upgraded from 10.5.8 on day one. I've not been thrilled. But, this is what I expect from a .0 release. I know better, but I did it anyway.

Most of the OS X releases have gotten good & stable around the .4-.6 mark.