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Gaming on "open" platforms like windows 11 still sucks big time btw, so many bugs and issues especially with updates and then you have windows itself which continues to be the FIAT of OSs. Can't say I like their world of sideloading openness, you spend a lot of time fixing things rather than gaming. Often it's due to faulty updates, no one checking their subpar work and weak MSDOS based platforms.

You don't actually think Windows is bad because it lets you install software from wherever, do you?
 
Apple is 100% correct. Objectively. Apple risked billions in R&D and Epic just wants to take what Apple built and profit.
Apple is a bully and is using the term “free ride” as a dog whistle to get the political right-wing on their side.

Objectively.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
Wow, such a clever boy. But you’re gonna need to back that statement up.
 
You don't actually think Windows is bad because it lets you install software from wherever, do you?
I think it's a weak OS, based on a weak foundation, DOS, I wish Apple Vision worked with steam and then it would be bye bye ms forever. It could be nice and stable like MacOS which also allowed me to install apps from anywhere, but no, it's the same low grade OS as 20 years ago that'll cease to function just because of an update...
 
Epic and tim swiney are the worst in terms of attitude and entitlement, I would not knowingly buy anything from them. On the other hand I would agree that Apple could reduce their fees and be fine with like 15-20%. They did change the things they were asked to and now epic is back with more ridiculous demands that will be thrown out of court. Ok, they could be paid outside the App Store but you still gotta pay Apple for the app approval/validation, hosting in the app store, bandwidth etc. It's like a used car lot where you need to pay to use their space or their services. Tim swiney is just egotistical and it drives potential gamers away, not a good look.

Gaming on "open" platforms like windows 11 still sucks big time btw, so many bugs and issues especially with updates and then you have windows itself which continues to be the FIAT of OSs. Can't say I like their world of sideloading openness, you spend a lot of time fixing things rather than gaming. Often it's due to faulty updates, no one checking their subpar work and weak MSDOS based platforms.
How about if they don’t want to be hosted in the AppStore or go through an approval and not use apples bandwidth. They want to use their own
 
How about if they don’t want to be hosted in the AppStore or go through an approval and not use apples bandwidth. They want to use their own
they can do that on Android, can't they? They can reach 3x the number of people (~ 4.5B vs 1.5B) - how is that working out for them?
 
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they can do that on Android, can't they? They can reach 3x the number of people (~ 4.B vs 1.5B) - how is that working out for them?
They are doing it on windows, android and Mac without doing a revenue share . And they want to do it on iOS as well without a revenue share.

Meeting a larger part of the market is just in their interest. If the AppStore is great it will stay irrelevant and we will move on as normal, unless it actually is a realistic threat
 
So first the capitalists had the audacity to call installing software you want on a computer you own «sideloading»

And now, the nerve to label publishing software built with a publicly available SDK as a «free ride»?

We don't hate them enough.
Not hating them enough is fine . What surprises me is how people actively defend apple . Unbelievable
 
How about if they don’t want to be hosted in the AppStore or go through an approval and not use apples bandwidth. They want to use their own.
Of course it does. When you pay for the phone you expect it to have a viable app development/distribution infrastructure. Just like with Macs.
No, you have no right to expect anything other than what is explicitly stated in the sales agreement/ToS. Every other argument fails factually.
 
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I just miss all the cool 2d treadmill games we used to have.

I'm glad mega run is back by get set games, but I'd like to see more games like that.
 
I want the choice to be able to load whatever i want in my devices.

Either stop your hypocrisy (its for your safety, not for our profits) censorship or allow proper sideloading.

Again, I dont understand apple's customers that insist in having LESS options, which conveniently works in favor of Apples coffers and worse, they insist in taking that option away from the ones that do want that option.

If I paid over 1 thousand dollar for a device, I should be able to do with it whatever I like, not what Tim Apple and Jobs ghoul spirit decides.

Edit thanks for confirming my point.
Yes, ‘sideloading’ on a smartphone is fundamentally no different than installing a piece of software from Steam or the developer’s website on a Mac, on Windows, or GNU/Linux, etc. and should be treated the same.
 
Again, I dont understand apple's customers that insist in having LESS options, which conveniently works in favor of Apples coffers and worse, they insist in taking that option away from the ones that do want that option.
You have that option. It’s called Android. I don’t understand why you want customers to have less options by forcing everything to conform to Google’s way of doing things instead of having the choice between 2 different approaches to technology.
 
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I want the choice to be able to load whatever i want in my devices.

Either stop your hypocrisy (its for your safety, not for our profits) censorship or allow proper sideloading.

Again, I dont understand apple's customers that insist in having LESS options, which conveniently works in favor of Apples coffers and worse, they insist in taking that option away from the ones that do want that option.

If I paid over 1 thousand dollar for a device, I should be able to do with it whatever I like, not what Tim Apple and Jobs ghoul spirit decides.

Edit thanks for confirming my point.
I think people forget what those options (or lack thereof) meant for iOS and Android users back in the past.

You could sideload on android phones since day 1 (someone correct me if I'm wrong here). This meant rampant piracy, higher incidences of malware, less profits for developers, and consequently fewer apps available on said platform. Human nature will always be human nature, no matter the platform. We have seen it play out on the PC platform for decades.




On the flip side, what the absence of sideloading meant for me as an Apple user was that I had a wider variety of paid apps to choose from, back when I had just purchased my first iPad and was experimenting with apps to see what worked and what didn't. For example, I paid for Notability, PDF Expert and Goodreader (all are PDF annotation apps that weren't available on Android). Even today, I continue to maintain a Notability subscription on my iPad while the app is still conspicuously missing on Android!

This is the benefit a closed ecosystem brings. Prior to the iOS App Store model, nobody downloaded apps, because viruses and malware were rampant, and it devastated the trust that users had because again, nobody was in a position, much less had the financial incentive, to do anything about this. Apple recreated a market that had ceased to exist, and they did it with their promises (of a safe and secure market) and their technology (eg: biometric authentication to streamline the purchasing process) and their ability to aggregate the best users in the market. You see what happens when people ca no longer pirate software and are made to pay for software the honest, old-fashioned way? Developers make more money, they are in turn incentivised to develop for iOS, and we iOS users benefit in return.

The irony is that were I to migrate over to Android, having the freedom to sideload any app I want is a moot point because the apps I want aren't available on Android to begin with, even if I were willing to pay for them!

Granted, given the recent ICEBlock debacle, I can see the argument for allowing users to access apps that are otherwise not available in the App Store, but it means that the whole "open vs closed" debate is at its core a discussion of tradeoffs and compromises. Each side has its respective pros and cons, and you cannot latch on to one particular feature that you want, insist that it's all that matters, and pretend all the other drawbacks will magically not matter or just cease to exist.
 
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No, you have no right to expect anything other than what is explicitly stated in the sales agreement/ToS. Every other argument fails factually.
Sales agreement? No right to expect? They can still do what they can to maximize their interest. Especially if said agreement isn’t coacher.

Funny that Epic evidently has no issues with paying Sony and Nintendo their 30% cut, and Fornite makes even more money on those platforms compared to iOS.

And spare me the "but the PS5 is a console while iOS is a computing platform" argument. Money is money, regardless of where it's taxed.
Well who knows. Perhaps they will be next in line if they win over Apple. Tactical decision to pick your fights.

Plus sideloading was available on both platforms from day one. It took a while before the AppStore was introduced
 
Funny that Epic evidently has no issues with paying Sony and Nintendo their 30% cut, and Fornite makes even more money on those platforms compared to iOS.

And spare me the "but the PS5 is a console while iOS is a computing platform" argument. Money is money, regardless of where it's taxed.

Yeah, I’m not understanding why it’s okay when Nintendo does it but not when Apple does it.
 
I want the choice to be able to load whatever i want in my devices.

Either stop your hypocrisy (its for your safety, not for our profits) censorship or allow proper sideloading.

Again, I dont understand apple's customers that insist in having LESS options, which conveniently works in favor of Apples coffers and worse, they insist in taking that option away from the ones that do want that option.

If I paid over 1 thousand dollar for a device, I should be able to do with it whatever I like, not what Tim Apple and Jobs ghoul spirit decides.

Edit thanks for confirming my point.
Buy an Android device and you can load whatever.
For now at least.

I dont see why your desire overrides mine to have a safer, controlled environment.

You have an option now but you want to remove mine.

Why is that fair?
 
You don't actually think Windows is bad because it lets you install software from wherever, do you?
Windows is bad in that it has a lot of issues caused by people loading software without checks.

Over decades I've spent countless hours reinstalling Windows and fixing issues with other people's computers because they clicked on a link, opened an email or installed something they thought was safe.

I dont get that on Mac.
And not ever on iOS devices.
 
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