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Yeah, I’m not understanding why it’s okay when Nintendo does it but not when Apple does it.

It remains bizarre. The apparent difference is that video games still aren't so critical to everyday life? It feels like governments perennially feel entitled to say "oh, this obscure thing that no one else in history even thought of, let alone astonishingly and expertly invented and maintained, turned out to be pretty normal, and pretty much everyone uses it. And on the grounds that it turned out to be pretty normal and pretty much everyone uses it, we who don't even have expertise in the field, let alone the technology, let alone the systems and products, are overriding the company's lifelong leaders in making the rules and even doing the design work. (We'll leave the implementation to the staff, though. They can do that.)"
 
I want the choice to be able to load whatever i want in my devices.

Either stop your hypocrisy (its for your safety, not for our profits) censorship or allow proper sideloading.

Again, I dont understand apple's customers that insist in having LESS options, which conveniently works in favor of Apples coffers and worse, they insist in taking that option away from the ones that do want that option.

If I paid over 1 thousand dollar for a device, I should be able to do with it whatever I like, not what Tim Apple and Jobs ghoul spirit decides.

Edit thanks for confirming my point.
I can’t get any apps for my google or Android TVs except from their stores. I can’t get any apps for my Roku unless it’s from Roku.
 
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Absolutely nothing has been stopping Apple from doing that.

They don’t want to do that.

They want a cut off all the action, all the time… like a mob boss.
Charge for the SDK based on:
1. Small fee plus percentage of sales in App Store
2. Large fee and bulk activation fees per X installations. Can distribute at will. If you don’t pay, customers will be cut off, even for updates.

If you don’t want to paying, don’t update your app constantly like some companies do.
 
Just let them sideload. I’m in the EU, I can choose another App Store, but I choose not to like probably the majority of iPhone users (iPhones have well over 50% of the smart phone market in my country). I don’t think anybody I know cares.
Apple is right to fight this as the core issue in the EU is screwing American companies any way they can as innovation and entrepreneurship is killed at birth in the EU.
 
So first the capitalists had the audacity to call installing software you want on a computer you own «sideloading»

And now, the nerve to label publishing software built with a publicly available SDK as a «free ride»?

We don't hate them enough.
Yeah, all capitalists must be hated regardless of what they are doing. They manufacture the evil society we live today.

Remember back in very early computing days tinkering and playing around with your computer was encouraged? Nowadays Apple would limit your iPhone to only be able to call a list of approved numbers and use approved apps if they could do it. At that point I wonder what would those defending Apple will say.
 
Again, I dont understand apple's customers that insist in having LESS options, which conveniently works in favor of Apples coffers and worse, they insist in taking that option away from the ones that do want that option.
They exercised their freedom of choice to choose fewer options and more managed approach from Apple. Heck, I think Apple can introduce a curated Apple One+ subscription and Apple takes over all aspects of device usage, including what app to download. How long you can use your iPhone each day, what app to use at any given time, and how involved Siri can be, and more. In short, live approved Apple life.
 
The truth is that the whole ecosystem is locked down to ensure Apple gets a cut of every sale. Consumers should be protected against the egregious extent Apple goes to when exploiting its own customers for shareholder profit grabs! And at the same time, Epic is trying to breach a system because it wants all the money! Both companies are wrong and I cannot stand Epic’s CEO, but what Epic has done is stand up for consumers by standing up for itself. This has benefited consumers in the EU, USA and will continue until the whole ecosystem is about choice for the consumer not locking customers in which does harm competition.
 
Free games? Adds? I’m speaking of 0% commission for selling it or in app sales and be allowed to keep all the revenue as a developer.
Its competition in the service and store that I as a consumer as well as developer can use on iOS.

Neither have my best interests in mind. They are out for themselves.

why do you think Apple allows all the predatory games to be sold in their store? Or advertising in the wallet?

the biggest store was cydia and third party store before the AppStore was even launched. Apple opted to let developers provide apps instead dof webapps saved it from becoming a new newton.

Are Developer to be forever gratefully? Developers have been frankly annoyed with Apple and their rules to just make things worse.

Do you think users are happy they can’t signup for Netflix in the app? Do you think Netflix don’t want to have that in the app? They just don’t want to pay 30%. And that’s also why we got most of the terrible freemium apps to try and make more money to escape apples large cut.

99$? You think it’s free to develop a game? Pay developers, rent and running costs?
What do you think happens if I make 100k the first year but I have 70k in expenses for salaries and 30k goes to Apple? Apples commission is a cost you can’t escape 🤷‍♂️

They did. They developed their owngames, their own Game Engine and their own store. Now what are they mooching of Apple?

Well i already owning my device. And I would rather put pressure on Apple to improve it more go somewhere else that is already worse? Have you seen how hard it is to ”jailbreak” Samsung devices? Most are closed down closer to iOS.

If my steam library worked on Linux I would abandone Windows. If Apple computers could actually use proper GPUs from Nvidia I would still have Mac.

The ecosystem and all my purchases and hardware is built around Apple since 20010 and is a bit expansive to change. Back then I just jailbroke my devices and purchased mods, and today I just use certificates to continue to do that. And hopefully it will get better so I don’t need to do that.
Yeah, I used to jailbreak my devices too but I didn't complain about it, I just did it, we all knew the limitations with the Apple ecosystem. Neither do I complain when my HomePods are no longer supported. I knew full well the business model under which Apple and most major tech companies operate. If you don't understand that then you shouldn't invest your hard earned money in them. It's not like Apple have suddenly changed their business model which is why I can't understand why people whinge about something that has been so for decades. Sell your devices and jump ship if you feel so strongly, but complaining won't make Apple or any other company change to suit you, me or any individual. They sell to a mass market, not the complaining one.
 
This happens to just about every successful music artist, every creative in general, they are given the opportunity to succeed on someone else's back, time passes, now they are huge and want to throw their weight around, forgetting who put them in position and thinking they can do it all on their own. It's almost always pathetic. Its greed and Apple shouldn't have to lower their percentage because they have a lot of money, all these dumb excuses 😂 THEY EARNED THAT PERIOD. They took the risks made the right moves and hit jackpot. Thats the issue with the US, so greedy and LAZY.
 
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The truth is that the whole ecosystem is locked down to ensure Apple gets a cut of every sale. Consumers should be protected against the egregious extent Apple goes to when exploiting its own customers for shareholder profit grabs! And at the same time, Epic is trying to breach a system because it wants all the money! Both companies are wrong and I cannot stand Epic’s CEO, but what Epic has done is stand up for consumers by standing up for itself. This has benefited consumers in the EU, USA and will continue until the whole ecosystem is about choice for the consumer not locking customers in which does harm competition.
You think it's that simple? Let's make 1 thing clear Apple's core beliefs are in end to end control for curating the experience, that was the original mission. Maybe your not a creative or have the desire for perfection so it might be hard to envision how important it is to have that control but thats what Apple was founded on. I would do the exact same thing and it has nothing to do with money, ive never cared for it to those degrees. We have examples of companies doing it the other way, shoot.... even Android, it's just about 20 years old and it's been a mess for over 10 years.
 
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Yeah, I used to jailbreak my devices too but I didn't complain about it, I just did it, we all knew the limitations with the Apple ecosystem. Neither do I complain when my HomePods are no longer supported. I knew full well the business model under which Apple and most major tech companies operate. If you don't understand that then you shouldn't invest your hard earned money in them. It's not like Apple have suddenly changed their business model which is why I can't understand why people whinge about something that has been so for decades. Sell your devices and jump ship if you feel so strongly, but complaining won't make Apple or any other company change to suit you, me or any individual. They sell to a mass market, not the complaining one.
Exactly this has been their core business model since the very beginning and people want to make it a money thing just because they have money. Its so sad.
 
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Whatever Epic goal was initially and is now, I applaud Epic tearing away the masks on all Apple users, showing them their true colours. Epic has epically showed the world how divided Apple customer base is at least on this side loading issue. For that I applaud Epic for achieving that.

However long this saga will last, I’ll keep watching, with my popcorns.
 
it seems Apple CarPlay is the one that wants a free ride on automakers.
Haha true, tho it’s usually a classier interface than Bluetoothing into most of the primitive auto head deck OS’. I’m with Apple on this, privacy is a massive concern so sidedooring or whatever it’s called into iOS is a pretty bad idea. Hardcore gamers use different gear anyway.
 
Whatever Epic goal was initially and is now, I applaud Epic tearing away the masks on all Apple users, showing them their true colours. Epic has epically showed the world how divided Apple customer base is at least on this side loading issue. For that I applaud Epic for achieving that.

However long this saga will last, I’ll keep watching, with my popcorns.
Zealots are basically sheep without knowing it

I only buy Apple computers, I will never buy any of their services otherwise because of their lockdown garbage.
 
I want the choice to buy a locked down ecosystem. If someone doesn’t want that, there are other companies to buy products from. But if the courts blow that up, then there is NO option to buy into that system. These rulings destroy choice and pick winners and losers.

“I want the right to make the wrong choice in phones, then force the company that makes my phone to change to suit my desires.”

Any other product and the answer would be to sell your mistake and buy what you actually wanted.

For some reason, despite iOS having a minority position in the phone OS market, they are being forced to change into a carbon copy of the dominant OS, which is itself a copy of iOS.
 
Funny that Epic evidently has no issues with paying Sony and Nintendo their 30% cut, and Fornite makes even more money on those platforms compared to iOS.

And spare me the "but the PS5 is a console while iOS is a computing platform" argument. Money is money, regardless of where it's taxed.

That’s the stupid argument Epic made in court because they had a hard time justifying their opposition to Apple getting a cut while consoles were OK.

Epic tried to argue specifically that an iPhone is a “general purpose computer” and not an appliance like a console. They lost that argument.

Epic also tried to argue that a smartphone (iPhone) is an “essential” device people need and therefore shouldn’t be closed down while forgetting all the essential things people do with smartphones (phone, email, message and browsing the Internet) are all built-in functions and not something people have to pay money to get.

It’s no wonder Epic lost 9/10 counts in their trial. And again on appeal.
 
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I want the choice to be able to load whatever i want in my devices.

Either stop your hypocrisy (its for your safety, not for our profits) censorship or allow proper sideloading.

Again, I dont understand apple's customers that insist in having LESS options, which conveniently works in favor of Apples coffers and worse, they insist in taking that option away from the ones that do want that option.

If I paid over 1 thousand dollar for a device, I should be able to do with it whatever I like, not what Tim Apple and Jobs ghoul spirit decides.

Edit thanks for confirming my point.

Less options?

I can do more on my iPhone than any Android phone with sideloading can do. Mainly because App quality/selection is superior on iOS.

Oh sure you can come up with some obscure use-cases that nobody actually uses (but people pretend they’re dealbreakers) but that doesn’t change the fact that the iOS (or iPadOS) ecosystem is superior. A side bonus is not using a device from a company whose only purpose for existing is to mine your data and sell ads (about 80% of Google’s revenues).

And if there’s content you want that’s not available (like adult entertainment) you can use Safari, which will let you visit any website and view any content you wish no matter how offensive.
 
Whatever Epic goal was initially and is now, I applaud Epic tearing away the masks on all Apple users, showing them their true colours. Epic has epically showed the world how divided Apple customer base is at least on this side loading issue. For that I applaud Epic for achieving that.

However long this saga will last, I’ll keep watching, with my popcorns.

Funny. All I see are the typical vocal minority of Apple haters pretending they speak for everyone.

Sort of like when they all scream “I’m never buying another iPhone since Apple did…” and Apple goes on to have a record quarter.

One wonders how they can stand being proven wrong year after year after year and yet continue to spout their dual BS as if it’s fact.

Reminder: Apple won 9/10 counts in the Epic trial. Which was upheld on appeal. Not sure of the technical legal term for that but it’s probably called an &@$-whooping.
 
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