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Did Dave Lee lie?
Would anyone have known about the issue without him? Would it have been fixed as quickly?

I’m pretty sure people would’ve noticed the unimpressive performance. He’s not the only one using benchmarks and power gadget.
 
Sure, but he could’ve contacted Apple first before posting this sort of video. Stuff like this has the potential to ruin sales. Lots of newspapers ran with this without doing their own tests. People who visit these sites daily will find out that the problem is fixed but what about those who don’t? Articles saying everything is fine don’t get many clicks.
Are you blaming the media causing a frenzy on the vlogger? Reach out to Apple? It's not his duty. They sold something that couldn't hit the advertised speeds without being in a freezer. It's on Apple.
 
It was only released to the general public 16 days ago. How quickly do you think they should have figured out the problem? Truth is, is shouldn't have happened at all, but hey, even the people that work at Apple are only human
They would have figured it out within days, but that’s not what I was talking about. I was referring to the comments saying Apple should have posted a ‘looking into it’ comment, not that they should have named the issue or released a fix earlier.

I stick by what I said. It doesn’t bode well to shout that your product is faulty until you know why. It was a major cock up, but 12 days? You’re complaining that it look 12 days?
 
Dave Lee is a real jerk for besmirching Apple’s name right after they had just launched a well received refresh after months of complaining about not having Coffee Lake and keyboard problems.

Apple just can’t get a break. Seems like every other person is just out to damage Apple’s rep. With the iMac Pro it was Linus, breaking a new $5000 machine. All YouTube tech vloggers should be put of out of business.
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Frankly they’re much more likely to worry about performance with FCP X then Adobe Premiere. They also name drop Davinci Resolve a heck of a lot more as an alternative. I’m sure everything will be fine. Maybe Adobe can do something on their end to improve performance on the Mac. These numbers weren’t just due to throttling. It simply isn’t optimized good enough for High Sierra. Perhaps that will change with Mojave when they will be forced to use Metal.

While I agree the sentiment for trying to take Apple to task for many things*, I think Dave Lee would be a jerk if he refused to work with Apple.

As for the Linus situation - yes, his team broke the iMac Pro, but Apple refused to fix it even though Linus wanted to pay for it. That makes no sense whatsoever. PLUS, it sure seems Apple didn't have the right service measures in place when that new product launched which is just bad business. They supposedly have things set up properly now. It's absurd to think he couldn't get the screen fixed/replaced.

* Apple deserves alot of what they're doing. I'm a huge fanboy, don't get me wrong, but they've made some curious decisions the last few years (killed aperture, killed airport products, no new mac mini, took them forever to come out with the iMac Pro and rumoured modular Mac Pro). Plus, no matter what they do, they are #1 in revenue so of course the haters put a target in the middle of the Apple symbol.

Let's hope this bug was fixed.

Cheers,
Brian
 
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is everyone done bitching now? The smart people said it was a firmware or bug fix, which it was, but bangwagoners wanna jump on apple for everything :/

And the really smart people will actually wait to see what the results are after the patch is applied and not rely on Apple's marketing spin either way...

I've worked as an engineer for too long to jump to conclusions on either side...
 
Just to confirm, you're saying that Apple - the richest company in the world, the most profitable company in the world, the company that hit massive grand slams with not one (iPhone) but two (iPad as well) devices/categories off the backs of underpaid employees in illegal conditions and tries its damn best to circumvent paying taxes and repatriating money "can't get a break?"

And this, versus the individuals creating their own incomes in a tough world, by busting their asses trying to create compelling, sustainable content on a very competitive platform that mostly runs on merit?

You are a special kind of "out there" person.

Apple just can’t get a break. Seems like every other person is just out to damage Apple’s rep. With the iMac Pro it was Linus, breaking a new $5000 machine. All YouTube tech vloggers should be put of out of business.
 
Very hard to believe Apple could not detect it given the workflow that exposes it (very normal video exporting).

Its good its fixed supposedly, but Apple does not look good here. If they actually performed "extensive testing" and failed to use Adobe Premier Export... thats not a good look.
I like Dave Lee's videos and all, but I have a hard believing a YouTuber with a job on the side in addition to making other non-other Apple videos is more thorough than Apple's in-house team. If true, Apple should be embarrassed. Perhaps they'll offer Dave a job....
 
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I like Dave Lee's videos and all, but I have a hard time a YouTuber with a job on the side in addition to making other non-other Apple videos is more thorough than Apple's in house team. If true, Apple should be embarrassed. Perhaps they'll offer Dave a job....

Kind of like how video gamers discover way more bugs than a gaming company's own internal testing team.
 
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Please read carefully next time.

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Apple says the bug affected performance on not only the high-end 15-inch MacBook Pro configured with a six-core Intel Core i9 processor, which has faced the most extreme throttling in tests, but also quad-core Core i7 and Core i5 configurations, extending to the latest 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar models.

@Joe Rossignol Is quad-core Core i7 a thing in this years release?
 
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I’ll await revised benchmarks and tests before praising the heavens. I refuse to believe thermal throttling can be significantly resolved through software - it’s basic physics! I hope they’ve sorted it but I’ll be surprised.
It appears to be a problem with thin laptops with insufficient cooling. Thus far, complaints have mainly come from users of MBP's and Dell XPS-15 machines sporting the i9/6 core, which both have a very thin form factor. The issue doesn't come up until CPU intensive applications are ramped into use such as Final Cut or gaming software. Even though those users make a fairly small minority of overall laptop users, they are the ones interested in such high performance and expensive hardware. That means that i9 cpus are actually aimed at those people, and both Apple and Dell failed to supply the needed cooling and form factor needed to support CPU intensive software. Here is a collection of current laptops featuring the i9 - you'll note that they are nearly all large beefy gaming laptops with multiple fans. If companies like Apple and Dell want to feature this chip in their laptops, they are going to have to come up with thicker, heavier laptops which can keep the chip cool under stress.https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs...u&fr=yhs-Lkry-SF01&hspart=Lkry&hsimp=yhs-SF01
 
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My numbers are higher in cinebench, but my temps are not better. I think I'll stick with using Volta, I don't need to have the fastest laptop, but I do want a cooler running one
 
It (The 2018 MacBook Pro) was only released to the general public 16 (I'm crap at maths and probably mean 12) days ago. How quickly do you think they should have figured out the problem? Truth is, is shouldn't have happened at all, but hey, even the people that work at Apple are only human
It would seem apropos for the engineers to have thought to test the i9 under high cpu stress. If they'd have tested the MBP i9 with Final Cut Pro or the like - software for which the chip was designed - you'd think they might have noticed the heating and throttling under CPU stress and corrected the cooling issues before releasing the laptop. The MBP i9 starts over 4K and tops out at over 10K when fully spec'd. People don't buy laptops like that to surf the web, get on facebook, or read email. They want a fully functioning high performance CPU to run their professional applications. The same applies to PC laptops where most PC i9 laptop purchasers are gamers, who don't care about light and thin. To my knowledge, only the Dell XPS15 i9 suffers the same issues as the MBP - they're both thin and light.
 
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