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Apple Addresses MacBook Pro Throttling Controversy After Working With YouTuber Dave Lee
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Dave Lee is a real jerk for besmirching Apple’s name right after they had just launched a well received refresh after months of complaining about not having Coffee Lake and keyboard problems.
Apple just can’t get a break. Seems like every other person is just out to damage Apple’s rep. With the iMac Pro it was Linus, breaking a new $5000 machine. All YouTube tech vloggers should be put of out of business.
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Frankly they’re much more likely to worry about performance with FCP X then Adobe Premiere. They also name drop Davinci Resolve a heck of a lot more as an alternative. I’m sure everything will be fine. Maybe Adobe can do something on their end to improve performance on the Mac. These numbers weren’t just due to throttling. It simply isn’t optimized good enough for High Sierra. Perhaps that will change with Mojave when they will be forced to use Metal.
Apple just can’t get a break. Seems like every other person is just out to damage Apple’s rep. With the iMac Pro it was Linus, breaking a new $5000 machine. All YouTube tech vloggers should be put of out of business.
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Frankly they’re much more likely to worry about performance with FCP X then Adobe Premiere. They also name drop Davinci Resolve a heck of a lot more as an alternative. I’m sure everything will be fine. Maybe Adobe can do something on their end to improve performance on the Mac. These numbers weren’t just due to throttling. It simply isn’t optimized good enough for High Sierra. Perhaps that will change with Mojave when they will be forced to use Metal.
Coming from the Hackintosh community I can say without a doubt that this is a software issue
Probably a miss-configured SSDT that caused some clock speeds to not register properly in the OS.Chill.
I don't understand the hatred towards the YouTube vloggers. How is Dave Lee a jerk? Did you not read "Apple says it contacted Lee within 48 hours after he published his video, working with him to replicate his workflow." I say bravo for pointing out this issue in the first place. I'd much rather a reviewer point out the problems they've noticed versus just singing praises and ignoring any issues. It obviously got the attention of Apple and they started working on a fix. As far as Apple getting a break, they've managed to shoot themselves in the foot lately.
Wow, Matthew, I bet you’re right! It’s probably a hardware issue! And the update probably WON’T fix this issue! I’m sure that after Apple made a huge deal about admitting this problem, only days after this major new product was released, and that they are now intentionally issuing a patch that DOESN’T work because they are looking to create more controversy!
I’m amazed that you could calculate that all from your remote post at the far end of the internet. Well done, man. Well done.
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They would have figured it out within days, but that’s not what I was talking about. I was referring to the comments saying Apple should have posted a ‘looking into it’ comment, not that they should have named the issue or released a fix earlier.
Fix appears not to be properly active if booted into bootcamp not mac os, so this is still not a 'full' solution.
You beat me to this! I was just about to ask that if they updated just Mac OS High Sierra, how does that help Bootcamp? Has anyone else investigated this yet?
where are these folks that said dave lee is just some youtuber again?
I feel bad for all the people that cancelled their orders because they were impatient. I'm excited to try my 15" i9!!
In theory this should be all being managed by the SMC ( now the T2 ) in either mac or windows.. but as far as I can see, in bootcamp it doesn't seem to be. I'm wondering if it loads a simpler T2 firmware when booting a non Mac OS.
Great to hear that they identified the problem and fixed it so quickly.
Doubtful that it’ll appease the Intel bashers who insisted that this was Intel’s fault.
But it’s good that Apple stated where the problem was (software coding) and issued a fix.
Doubtful that it’ll appease the Intel bashers who insisted that this was Intel’s fault.
But it’s good that Apple stated where the problem was (software coding) and issued a fix.
While this fixes some issues, turbo boost is basically useless on the 6 core machines for sustained work.
This patch does not change the fact that the machine has insufficient cooling and the 6 core CPUs will produce much lower performance than expected.
Here are some recent benchmarks after the patch. Notice how fast the CPU returns to its base clock speed.
Dave2D after rendering with Premiere:
A Reddit user running Cinebench (2 times):
This patch does not change the fact that the machine has insufficient cooling and the 6 core CPUs will produce much lower performance than expected.
Here are some recent benchmarks after the patch. Notice how fast the CPU returns to its base clock speed.
Dave2D after rendering with Premiere:
A Reddit user running Cinebench (2 times):
For me the high temperatures was a bigger concern in the long run.. tests I have seen and a couple I ran before the patch showed high 90s under load, now it looks to be within the 80s.. this patch seems to bring temps to more sustainable levels.
Apple should be offering a corporate job to Dave Lee in that sphere building with a window view for all his expertise in the PC world. He would be an asset for Apple.
Those look like what I would expect. Glad the patch seemed to work. Utilization v temp v clock all seem to look proper. What performance were you expecting? Turboboost is not designed to maintain high clock speeds at high temperature.While this fixes some issues, turbo boost is basically useless on the 6 core machines for sustained work.
This patch does not change the fact that the machine has insufficient cooling and the 6 core CPUs will produce much lower performance than expected.
Here are some recent benchmarks after the patch. Notice how fast the CPU returns to its base clock speed.
Dave2D after rendering with Premiere:
A Reddit user running Cinebench (2 times):
Sort of a side note: I would be extremely surprised if anyone could capture a jump to 4.8 GHz using Intel Power Gadget and default polling of 50 ms. Probably not even is faster polling were setup (it's one of those diminishing returns kind of thing). Also, IPG averages those 50 ms polls over a period of one second, so there's even coarser granularity than most people give it credit for.
Good on Apple for having YouTubers do Apple's real-world testing?!
New Apple Motto: "We build 'em, you test 'em!"
Of course Turbo boost is “useless” for sustained performance. And single core turbo is different from all-core turbo. And Intel’s Thermal Velocity will give you that 4.8GHz clock only under 50°C.While this fixes some issues, turbo boost is basically useless on the 6 core machines for sustained work.
This patch does not change the fact that the machine has insufficient cooling and the 6 core CPUs will produce much lower performance than expected.
Here are some recent benchmarks after the patch. Notice how fast the CPU returns to its base clock speed.
Dave2D after rendering with Premiere:
A Reddit user running Cinebench (2 times):
All expected performance characteristics of the i9.
While this fixes some issues, turbo boost is basically useless on the 6 core machines for sustained work.
This patch does not change the fact that the machine has insufficient cooling and the 6 core CPUs will produce much lower performance than expected.
Here are some recent benchmarks after the patch. Notice how fast the CPU returns to its base clock speed.
Dave2D after rendering with Premiere:
A Reddit user running Cinebench (2 times):
Turbo boost is just marketing man. It is just meant to provide a short burst of speed and to allow them to write 4GHz on paper. The base clock is what people will really get over long periods of time. Desktop CPUs that are liquid cooled can sustain high speeds but then again those are overclocked rendering turbo irrelevant. It really won’t be much different no matter what notebook people are using. Perhaps a really thick 17” desktop replacement gaming laptop will do better but they can’t be used on battery. The MBP has the perfect balance of performance and battery life.
Did Dave Lee lie?
Would anyone have known about the issue without him? Would it have been fixed as quickly?
Sure, but he could’ve contacted Apple first before posting this sort of video. Stuff like this has the potential to ruin sales. Lots of newspapers ran with this without doing their own tests. People who visit these sites daily will find out that the problem is fixed but what about those who don’t? Articles saying everything is fine don’t get many clicks.