Apple Adds 2016 MacBook Pro Without Touch Bar to Refurbished Store [Updated]

[JGRE]

Still overpriced!

Completely ridiculous, I used to bought my 13" early 2011 MBP back than for just above USD 1.000 which is the max for me I want to spend on a computer that will become out dated within a few years
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Eh with that much storage not really. Also has its ram maxed, which isn't nearly as expensive but still.

Nether are SSDs nowaday, unless you buy it at Apple.
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sometimes i wish i was living in the USA, just so i could enjoy the low dollar value on apple products, avoid import tax of 300 to 700 price difference, and actually have products showing up on the refurb pages.

all we get are like 4 ipads, ... mini ... from 3 years ago.

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If I go there for business, usually one or two Apple products end up in my suite case...
Don't forget the 6% sales tax (which you can get refunded) compared to our 21% VAT.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

Completely ridiculous, I used to bought my 13" early 2011 MBP back than for just above USD 1.000

I don't get what you are saying. Are saying because you spent $1000 in 2011 it's OK to spend $2000 today, an inflation rate of 100% in six years?

 

[JGRE]

I don't get what you are saying. Are saying because you spent $1000 in 2011 it's OK to spend $2000 today, an inflation rate of 100% in six years?

What I am saying is:
a. I wouldn't spend a fortune on an item that only has a short useful life; 1000 usd is the limit
b. prices should go down instead of up, at least not double up just because of a gimmick touch pad added.

 

[Steve121178]

Still it is very expensive and it's not a pro machine with that intel iris graphic chip.

Depends what you're doing. I'm an I.T professional and don't need a dGPU in my work machines.

 

[iMcLovin]

thats a pretty mediocre machine for 2.200, still overpriced if you ask me.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

What I am saying is:
a. I wouldn't spend a fortune on an item that only has a short useful life; 1000 usd is the limit
b. prices should go down instead of up, at least not double up just because of a gimmick touch pad added.

OK I get it, my mistake, looking at your profile location I feel I misunderstood and something got lost in translation. But yeah you're right I 100% agree with you. Standard technology becomes common-place and a commodity, prices should go down.

 

[malexandria]

You forgot no glowing logo

Well the glowing logo would add $200
[doublepost=1489060772][/doublepost]In 2012 I had a new maxed out 2012 that Apple had to replace every component (ram, new motherboard, etc.) in after only a year (and my machine stays docked) and then I got the 2014 because of better battery life and it's buggy as hell. Not sure what to do about the MBP, I need a new laptop, but I refuse to reword Apple's sloppy manufacturing again. I'm tempted to get a Refurbed 5K iMac since 90% of my computing is at Home, but I need home portability when I need it - I don't like having my stuff on multiple computers. I've been thinking about going back to Windows, but I hate Windows and if something goes wrong with a Windows machine you don't have anywhere you can take it - for the most part.

I'd rather just get a new Mac Mini. They should be ashamed of themselves they are selling refurbed 3 year old Mac Minis for $850!

 

[RuffyYoshi]

Well at least it costs only one and a half kidneys as opposed to two.

 

[travelsheep]

So maybe Apple knows this whole Touch Bar thing is a bit of a disaster. Just give us a new, fatter 15" with 32GB RAM and long battery life before Christmas - thanks.

Give us an updated, maxed out MacBook Pro (all ports, great battery, 2015 style keyboard, MagSafe, latest processors, etc) and then I would like to see how many people still buy the Touchbar 2016 with one type of port and less battery than a MacBook Air.

 

[citysnaps]

iPad pros . As silly as it sounds , that is what they expect , not cause it's easy to do and the right tool, but cause they are more profitable . Profit first and foremost, second comes use ability. Used to be the other way around, build a great device and add a price . Now it's remove as much as possible and create revenue streams out of it.

"Used to be the other way around, build a great device and add a price . Now it's remove as much as possible and create revenue streams out of it."

Yes... I remember when Steve Jobs himself introduced the MacBook Air.

One USB port, 2 GB RAM soldered to the board, an 80 GB spinning hard disk, an underpowered CPU (which still managed to cause laptop overheating), a budget TN technology display, and no backlit keyboard. Jobs also removed the FireWire port, Ethernet port, optical drive, SD card slot, Kensington security slot, and line-in jack.

He did keep the dongle-ready micro DVI port, though.

All for $1,799. Profit first, usability second.

 

[MH01]

"Used to be the other way around, build a great device and add a price . Now it's remove as much as possible and create revenue streams out of it."

Yes... I remember when Steve Jobs himself introduced the MacBook Air.

One USB port, 2 GB RAM soldered to the board, an 80 GB spinning hard disk, an underpowered CPU (which still managed to cause laptop overheating), a budget TN technology display, and no backlit keyboard. Jobs also removed the FireWire port, Ethernet port, optical drive, SD card slot, Kensington security slot, and line-in jack.

He did keep the dongle-ready micro DVI port, though.

All for $1,799. Profit first, usability second.

Now now .....that MacBook Air was about innovation that only apple could achieve, it even fit into a folder never aimed at pros...hence it lost ports to achieve form over function . The innovation at the time was limited by components ....hence the issues it had.

The MacBook Air moment was like the 2007 iPhone. Both of which were overpriced btw and received a price dropped once apple realised they were on a winner .

You cannot compare the MacBook Air launch to the 2016 model....nothing in the 2016 is being held back by 2017 tech except for ....battery

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

I had forgotten why I didn't buy the new MBP, after having my iMac die on me a few months ago and having said for the past year or two that once Apple refreshed the MBP, I'd buy one.

When a $400 discount means you're still over $2K for a modestly spec'd computer, your pricing is wrong. Plus still no VR.

These prices actually killed my interest in Apple. I check MacRumors less often now than before, and I comment in the forums a lot less than before. Why bother? Apple either doesn't see me as a customer, or they do and they're trying to shake me down. Either way, I'm not buying.

 

[Royksöpp]

This has got to be one of the worst product lines Apple has released in quite a few years. It should actually be called the Crapbook Pro and the Crapbook Pro with Touch Bar. It's a prime example of purchase just to have the latest and greatest which it's not. It's a downgrade in every area.

 

[Spectrum]

You forgot no glowing logo

And no charging indicator.
And no ports.
As I said in another thread, to replace a 2009 13" MBPro, my parents just bought an aluminium ChromeBook for about £300. It is REALLY nice to use.
The only thing that makes a new 13 MBPro more appealing is if you need to plug in to a 5K display, or need on board storage.

Personally, I need onboard storage, but how many casual users need uber-expensive/fast internal SSD and TB3 ports?

My Mum and dad's 2009 13 MBpro still has the original HDD spinner in it (and they have only used up about 60GB up on it!).

I just don't know who would pay over $2000 for a 13 inch second hand laptop...

 

[imronburgundy]

Eh with that much storage not really. Also has its ram maxed, which isn't nearly as expensive but still.

16 gb of RAM is at most $100

 

[thekeyring]

tim cook's motto: it's all about the margins and profitability. innovation? too risky

Then how do you explain them building a car? Or building a health and fitness research facility?
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And no charging indicator.
And no ports.
As I said in another thread, to replace a 2009 13" MBPro, my parents just bought an aluminium ChromeBook for about £300. It is REALLY nice to use.
The only thing that makes a new 13 MBPro more appealing is if you need to plug in to a 5K display, or need on board storage.

Personally, I need onboard storage, but how many casual users need uber-expensive/fast internal SSD and TB3 ports?

My Mum and dad's 2009 13 MBpro still has the original HDD spinner in it (and they have only used up about 60GB up on it!).

I just don't know who would pay over $2000 for a 13 inch second hand laptop...

How many casual users need a Pro laptop? I'd say not many.

 

[Goatllama]

Just let me know when they start offering refurbished iPhone SE, eh?

 

[Spectrum]

How many casual users need a Pro laptop? I'd say not many.

That's my point: Where is the market for a £2000 13" laptop?

 

[Juicy Box]

For those not interested in snark, the refurbs aren't a bad deal. They are nearly as good as new and come with a full warranty. I bought a refurb MacBook Air a few years ago and had no issues with it whatsoever.

I agree.

Setting aside whether or not it is worth the price for the new MBP, refurbished products from Apple are a good deal, well, assuming you wanted to buy a new MBP, a refurbished one will be just as good, but cheaper.

I have purchased many refurbished Apple products over the years, such as Macs, Airports, ATVs, and some others. All where perfect, and once out of the box, you would never know it was refurbished.

The MacPro I bought has all the protective film on the case, but not the original box. But, one of the refurbished ATVs I bought looked like it may have been a new one, because it came in a sealed original box.

Anyways, if you were going to buy one new, consider the refurbished one. You can save so money on that overpriced product.

 

[Chicane-UK]

That's my point: Where is the market for a £2000 13" laptop?

Not entirely comparable, but I did fully max out my 11" MacBook Air when I bought it. There are people out there who like the most portability, with the most horsepower. I must say though, on reflection, I'm not sure why I didn't just a MacBook Pro.

 

[compete12]

Apple seems to have abandoned the Mac for the iPhone ecosystem. They've made literally TONS of $$$$ off the phones. The thing is, BEFORE the iPhone was invented, they HAD the resources (and drive) to develop/produce the Mac Ecosystem into an incredible product. Now, they have way more resources ($$$$) and they're choosing to neglecting it. They also had Steve Jobs back then, too.

Which is my my 2008 MacBook and my 2009 iMac are still being used, and won't be replaced until they fail.

I'm also not replacing my iPhone 6 Plus until if fails. Phones trending towards $1000 are ridiculous.

 

[satchmo]

Horrible discount for 2016 model.....Best Buy and other stores sell it brand new for significantly cheaper all the time. The 2016 non-TB model goes on sell for $1,250 all the time. Crap...its still $100 off right now at Best Buy brand new and can buy a Best Buy open box for even cheaper.

To be fair, you need to compare Apples to apples. The refurb is 16gb RAM and 512GB SSD, not 8/256.

 

[Juicy Box]

Genuine question, is this earlier than usual?

Haven't been around the Mac scene long enough to know. Just curious.

Anecdotal I know, but it certainly seems like it.

No. They have been on sale for 4.5 months now. Usually we see refurbs about this time. Remember most are hardly-used returns. The holiday return period ended 2 months ago.

Not really. It's usually within a couple months of launch.

It depends...
From what I have noticed, for the lower end models Apple tends to start selling as refurbished about 4-5 months after the release.

As for higher end models, it tends to be a lot more.

For example, the last Mac I purchased was a brand new Late 2012 27" iMac with a BTO option with the i7 upgrade and graphics upgrade.

For that generation, the 21" models started selling as refurbished in about 5 months. But, the 27" one, like I had, didn't sell as refurbished for over a year.

I noticed other high end models of the same generation are similar.

 

[dreamlikestate]

used it in an apple store and its incredibly useful

Did the same. I was skeptical about it, and thought I will give it a chance in a store. Well for me it was a devastating experience. Very low touch bar display quality and I just use those buttons all the time - brightness, volume, next/play/prev track, mute. And I never look on them. I just know where it is and it's always there.

I waited for this update to spend 2k+ on a pro machine, but for now I will just stick with the junior one, with real keys.

 

[kazmac]

Wow...pricing is ridiculous, and, sadly typical for today's