Apple Adds 2016 MacBook Pro Without Touch Bar to Refurbished Store [Updated]

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  1. MrGimper macrumors 601


    Sep 22, 2012
    Andover, UK
    No thanks, I'll stick with my 2014 13" 2.8 i5 16GB 1TB
  2. vcboard macrumors member

    Oct 15, 2016
    Well, we know what it means if refurbished units appear too soon: too many returned units.
  3. BenTrovato macrumors 68020


    Jun 29, 2012
    Looks like all the touchbar people are happier than the non touch as per the returns
  4. citysnaps macrumors 68040

    Oct 10, 2011
    San Francisco
    Just about everything you've said above also applies to the 2016 MBP. The 2016 MBP is very innovative if one's outlook isn't predisposed to ragging on Apple, which btw, occurred when the original MBA was released. Ditto for the iPhone.

    Try and understand what a "Pro" really is. Pro computer users are simply people who work in business environments that use computers. They're not limited to what many here personally romanticize as Walter Murch film editors. I know just as many "pros" using MacBook Air laptops as those using MacBook Pros. The word "Pro" is attached to all sorts of consumer-level products, Sony's PlayStation Pro is a great example.

    Stated differently, "Pro" is just a label that differentiates a bump in performance/features relative to lower cost/performance models. Most people, outside of some here on MR who use that as whine-worthy fodder, understand that.

    "nothing in the 2016 is being held back by 2017 tech except for ....battery"

    The same limitations that pushed the envelope with the original MBA apply to the 2016 MBP. The CPU is a great example. For the last few years Intel's updates have been few, delayed, and very incremental performance increases. Thus "innovation" is limited by components as well with the MBP, even though its extremely high-performance and flexible I/O in compact form is clearly innovative for a laptop.

    The 2008 MBA with limited technology, coupled with removing almost all ports, the optical drive, SD slot, ethernet, etc resulted in a laptop heavily loaded with profit priced at $1799.

    Like the original MBA and previous MBPs, the price for the current MBP will drop while its performance increases as technology evolves.
  5. Spectrum macrumors 6502a


    Mar 23, 2005
    Or a lot more non-TB were an increased chance of a return/refurb cropping up.
  6. Johnny907 macrumors 6502a


    Sep 20, 2014
    Still a ripoff. If you want to bring prices on these things down to earth, wait for Best Buy to put them on sale. Happens every couple weeks lately. Then go buy an Open Box model. They're still covered under the same return policy if anything is wrong, and 9/10 times were owned by someone who used it for a week and was smacked by buyers remorse so are in excellent if not mint condition.
  7. needsomecoffee macrumors member

    May 6, 2008
    That was my reaction in the store when I found out there are limited options for button customizations. However the upcoming version of BetterTouchTool (available for beta download) fixes this. Thank God for BTT - been using it for years, and its developer is so good with features/code. Don't have to believe me, someone wrote an extensive blog post on how BTT improved his interactions with the tbMBP. Highly recommend the page below - shows the touchbar potential in a good developer's hands. (That last statement applies to how much better BTT has made the magic mouse and trackpad work for me all these years. Sorry, but imho Apple now only provides the simplest Preferences options with iWatch Edition owners being their design target):
  8. mr.steevo macrumors 65816


    Jul 21, 2004
    I remember in 2004 buying a 12" iBook for $1700 and by 2009 it was useless. That's the joy of technology!
  9. MH01 Suspended


    Feb 11, 2008
    You missed my point, the first generation macbook air was not fit for purpose, weather you were a pro or not, its GPU could not even run was not till the second generation that it was useable.

    The 2016 is nothing like the original macbook air, its just a slow evolution of the current Macbook pro with some elements from the WOW about it when it was launched.

    Again the 2008 MBA was not useable even for the consumer 2008 CPUs were still underperforming unlike today. Today a 2012 macbook retina CPU is competitive, its the advances in Storage that have leaped . The issue with the 2008 MBA was also storage.....its was SSD that made these laptops a new breed.

    In my opinion there is nothing innovative about the 2016 macbook pro....its just an evolution step..... its not even got major tech advantage, TB3 is useless over TB2 for the average consumer.

    What is the selling point of the 2016 Macbook pro, the original air was size/weight, the 2012 was again size and weight...... the 2016....a slight weight loss.... compared to the major weight cuts of the previous 2.....meh in my opinion. TB3 over TB2....meh.....pass.
  10. WatchFromAfar macrumors 6502a


    Jan 26, 2017
    The problem is Apple has never set a precedent for dropping prices as the rest of the industry evolves. It's "this is our product, buy it or don't".
  11. Thunderhawks Suspended

    Feb 17, 2009
    All good point. I don't agree with Apple's elimination of all useful ports and then just telling people to connect things outside with dongles.

    They did the same with the Mac Pro. If you see one in an office it 's funny how it looks like a kraken with all the cables, Maybe personal taste, but a portable all in one would be incredible to have.

    Imagine a 17 inch (sniff/sob , I stopped using my 2008, too many beach balls), with 1 TB SSD upgradeable, memory upgradeable and a removable Superdrive, hot swappable for another SSD possibly evenSSD RAID (As the Superdrive takes up lots of space) and card slot.

    What a beast.

    With today's technology much less weight than the original.

    One would never need a desktop, only a larger monitor, which btw is what I do with MBPs now.
  12. Chicane-UK macrumors 6502

    Apr 26, 2008
    Not entirely sure about that. They have dropped prices on some things historically, and made new SKU's available to lure in new customers, etc.

    BUT I would say that's certainly gone away in recent years now that Apple is so set on positioning itself as a purveyor of luxury goods rather than just a pure technology company. And prices of of luxury goods (e.g. Rolex, etc) generally only seem to go one way - northwards.
  13. jonnysods macrumors 603


    Sep 20, 2006
    There & Back Again
    No, its been around 6 months now, thats fairly typical.
  14. B.K. macrumors member

    Sep 5, 2014
  15. newdeal macrumors 68020

    Oct 21, 2009
    I got an open box from bestbuy for a pretty good deal. I regret buying it though to be honest. Other than the screen my 2013 macbook air is just a far superior computer
    --- Post Merged, Mar 9, 2017 ---

    I actually think no touchbar is an advantage!
  16. scott911, Mar 9, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2017

    scott911 macrumors 6502a

    Aug 24, 2009
    Makes me even happier for just buying the last gen model new, for $999.
    These new prices are nuts.

    and in two. three years - I will be able to load up the memory and SSL of my prior generation for dirt cheap - and probably have a machine that will outlive the usefulness of the new model with it's soldered in components.
  17. sman789 Customer Support


    Dec 25, 2007
    Richmond, VA
    They're gone now. Someone must want them.

    ...I actually do but the 15" non-touch.
  18. Powerguru macrumors newbie

    Apr 4, 2010
  19. rumplestiltskin macrumors regular

    Apr 12, 2006
    Can get a new (not refurb'd) HP Envy 13 with i7 Kaby Lake, 512GB SSD, 3200x1800 display, 16GB RAM for a bit over $1600. Windows 10, of course, but then you're not overpaying for the Apple logo. (No, I'm not a Windows troll; I own both Macs and PCs.) Oh, almost forgot: You also won't have that numb excuse for a keyboard.
  20. alphaod macrumors Core


    Feb 9, 2008
    Of course someone configured this, realized how stupid it was to get the non-touchbar model at this price, returns them.
  21. AllergyDoc macrumors 65816


    Mar 17, 2013
    Utah, USA
    I bought my late-2013 rMBP with 16GB and a 516 SSD in Oct 2013 for $2,050. The new model here is likely better in every aspect except perhaps for battery and ports. And it has twice as much storage.
  22. SamVilde macrumors regular


    Oct 18, 2008
    New York City
    This philosophy - all over mac rumors - drives me insane.
    There are not two groups of people: pros and casual users.
    It is not a dichotomy between pros who edit high definition videos for feature length films and casual users who scroll Facebook.

    I'm an english teacher, which means I do some photoshop, some iMovie, some word processing, some garageband, some screencasts, some manic 10-tab web searches, some powerpoint, some excel, some google docs, some podcasting - and since they're all part of my lesson planning, I need them all at the same time, and I need them to work fast, together, now.

    I don't fall into the "pro" category, but I'm also not scrolling instgram all day, LOLing at cats. I find the MBA a little underpowered. I think there are huge numbers of users like me. I think we're a lot. What does it serve to say "well, you know, you're not a pro... You're a casual."

    I think the current (13") MBP looks great for people like me. I hope that Apple - or someone - develops something more badass and powerful for those who need it, continues to make lightweight things like the 12" MB for my now-retired mother. All our use cases count.
  23. jhudgins macrumors regular

    Jan 31, 2016
    I have the MBP without touch bar and love it. But yes, it is way overpriced.
  24. theatremusician macrumors member


    Dec 17, 2013
    That's why I buy Apple only from the refurb store.

    My comment was aimed at the price of a 13" "pro" machine. There is very little to justify the price beyond the fact that people will buy it. I wish that Apple would have a serious loss of profit soon to force them either back in the innovation business or just get out of the computer business. The stagnation of the Cook era is really getting annoying.
  25. ackmondual macrumors 6502a


    Dec 23, 2014
    U.S.A., Earth
    Buy a 2015 MacBook :p Everybody knows the MBP 2016 is for consumers :rolleyes:

    I hear superior specs are also only available on the TB models.

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