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Apple Adds 2016 MacBook Pro Without Touch Bar to Refurbished Store [Updated]

I feel like every since Sandy Bridge the performance in mobile CPU's has only gone up so much. I have 2 Sandy Bridge, 1 Ivy Bridge, and 1 Broadwell machine and all of them feel about the same performance wise and run flawlessly. The only slight difference between my i5 Sandy Bridge Mac Mini and my Broadwell i5 is the Broadwell is only slightly cooler. I can't justify the price point of current Macs. Used 5 year old Macs are still snappy as hell.
 
KPOM said:
How so? Which ports on the 2015 are capable of 40/Gbps?
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Even you can make it 4000Gbps, when there is factually NO accessaries on the market can use it, it is nothing but an ugly hole.

Oh, of course, we can all buy a dozen dongles (and keep carrying them EVERYWHERE with the laptop), so that we can use the real accessaries at their "old tech" speeds.
 
tongxinshe said:
Even you can make it 4000Gbps, when there is factually NO accessaries on the market can use it, it is nothing but an ugly hole.

Oh, of course, we can all buy a dozen dongles (and keep carrying them EVERYWHERE with the laptop), so that we can use the real accessaries at their "old tech" speeds.
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There are Thunderbolt 3 SSDs, external GPUs, etc. And most people just need a handful of inexpensive cables. Maybe 1 or 2 USB-A cables, a USB-C to Lightning cable (no more inconvenient than a USB-A to Lightning cable). Plus just about every high-end Android phone uses USB-C now.

And no more proprietary chargers are needed. If your power cable breaks, get any USB-PD-compliant cable.
 
I'm not sure if people are noticing the specs on that thing. 1TB SSD is driving the price up, big league.
You can get the same model with less storage and less ram for $1,269. That is a nice laptop and something I would consider.
 
Relentless Power said:
That doesn't stop the MacBook from being A great machine that is capable of handling a lot of productive tasks for personal or work. I know the argument is made about less ports and dated technology, but its still depends on what you're using the MacBook for and how you're using it to make a judgment call based on "Underpowered. "

And the benefits for a refurbished model, is that Apple has a very stringent process where they go through and test the MacBook on all levels to ensure it sufficiently running. And a lot of retrospect, it's far less likely have any more issues than what a new model would have out of the box From the factory.
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Still overpriced though
 
I'm actually kinda surprised there are (10) 2016 non touch bar models right now in the refurb store. I would have thought we would have seen the touch bar models first, is it because the non touch bar is under powered? Is the Intel Iris 540 that bad?
 
MrGuder said:
I would have thought we would have seen the touch bar models first, is it because the non touch bar is under powered?
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No. It's because the nTB released at the end of October, right after the announcement, and the first TB versions were released about two weeks later. Wait 2-3 weeks and probably TB versions will become available as refurbished.
 
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imronburgundy said:
16 gb of RAM is at most $100
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Nice job ignoring the part that I said was most important. + It isn't on macs. It's sad Apple overprices their ram but comparing it to a different computer is ridiculous if you actually want a mac, if you want Apple you gotta pay Apple prices. It's been known for a while their a bit overpriced. Shocker.

"God I love my Ferrari, but it's so unfair, the heated seat option was $5,000 when on a nissan its $100".


Not sure if anybody has posted but they've also added some of the lower end pro's as well now, 256gb refurb is cheaper than a 128gb new, thats not bad.
 
JoshDoug said:
Sarcasm..? Not unless you've got a TB3 Dock, or at least a USB Hub.
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USB hubs are inexpensive. With a dock, the key to remember is that it is a one-time purchase. USB-C will be around for a while. My guess is that most base MacBook Pro buyers have one or two USB-C to USB-A adapters and that's it. A fair amount may have the USB-C to Lightning cable and/or one of the multiport adapters. I'd guess very few have a big collection of adapters.
 
JoshDoug said:
Sarcasm..? Not unless you've got a TB3 Dock, or at least a USB Hub.
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Not at all.

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Remove one cable for charging your phone and it's quite useable.
 
KPOM said:
There are Thunderbolt 3 SSDs, external GPUs, etc. And most people just need a handful of inexpensive cables. Maybe 1 or 2 USB-A cables, a USB-C to Lightning cable (no more inconvenient than a USB-A to Lightning cable). Plus just about every high-end Android phone uses USB-C now.

And no more proprietary chargers are needed. If your power cable breaks, get any USB-PD-compliant cable.
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Just to answer that , APPLE does not play nice with egpu, and TB3 is still bandwidth limited by TB3 when using an egpu. Maybe egpu will work to its potential in TB4. 99.999999% of users will see no benefit from TB2 to TB3.

I like TB a lot, I'm just sick of Apple lack of support in OS X, if I load Windows egpu works fine....
 
I finally got to try out one of these in the Apple Store in Regent Street, London yesterday. I thought I'd find out what all the fuss was about. Whilst using the touch bar in Final Cut Pro X, I suddenly got distracted by how horrible the keyboard is, and whether the right SHIFT key was actually registering my key presses or not. I then went over and tried the new iPad Pro. Even the keyboard/cover with the iPad Pro has more tactile feedback to it - so preferred it to the MacBook Pro 2016 keyboard. Although, I could never get used to the iPad/Laptop mashup they've created (plus it doesn't run the applications I need like Final Cut Pro X, or Logic Pro X etc...) - as instantly as soon as I started using the keyboard I tried using keyboard shortcuts like cmd+q to quit out of an application, and find that it doesn't work, and you have to hit the home button instead.

I came away from there more disheartened than ever, and further convinced that building a Hackintosh is the way to go.
 
I haven't even considered a new machine at these prices. I maxed out the ram on my 2012 pro and threw in a 1tb ssd. It's blazing fast on mac os and windows 10. Great battery life too.
 
Wackery said:
"hey I'm building this great thing!"

"can you show me?"

"no."
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This wasn't an "Apple is still innovative" argument. I was trying to demonstrate that Tim Cook is not a "beancounter" - if he was he wouldn't increase R&D more than necessary, would he?
 
Apple is still taking the p**s at those prices.

If the base 15" were $1999, maybe - but $2399 for non-upgradable storage and no way to add a SD card to bump storage up? Even refurbed they're likely to be $2099 or $2199 - and that's laughable.

And even then you'd have to put up with the worst keyboard Apple has ever used, a trackpad that can't reliably reject extraneous input, unfinished sharp edges, and on and on . . .
 
KPOM said:
How so? Which ports on the 2015 are capable of 40/Gbps?
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No. They have been on sale for 4.5 months now. Usually we see refurbs about this time. Remember most are hardly-used returns. The holiday return period ended 2 months ago.
[doublepost=1489034573][/doublepost]For those not interested in snark, the refurbs aren't a bad deal. They are nearly as good as new and come with a full warranty. I bought a refurb MacBook Air a few years ago and had no issues with it whatsoever.
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But have you ever NEEDED to move a file that fast? And besides most users don't have anything to make use of that speed anyway. It's useless. The macbook air is more of a "pro" machine IMO
 
aPple nErd said:
But have you ever NEEDED to move a file that fast? And besides most users don't have anything to make use of that speed anyway. It's useless. The macbook air is more of a "pro" machine IMO
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The MacBook Pro has a much better screen, faster internals (including a much faster SSD, which is noticeable when opening apps). And with a handful of inexpensive cables and adapters can connect to everything the MacBook Air can and more. Most people won't need all the available adapters. And as more devices adopt USB-C directly, the MacBook Pro will age a lot better.
 
Steve121178 said:
Depends what you're doing. I'm an I.T professional and don't need a dGPU in my work machines.
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fully agree, however ... today the most "pro" apple users probably are overpaid youtubers ;-)
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BenTrovato said:
Looks like all the touchbar people are happier than the non touch as per the returns
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either that or the non-touchbar users are the more critical users. i would have never ordered such a silly touchbar in first place, neither from apple nor from lenovo ("adaptive keyboard" which existed long before apples touchbar).
 
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